What the fuck
Vegan bacon has become really fine though.
no it hasn’t
Yes it has.
prove it
Here, taste it.
What’s the name of this product and what’s in it?
There are different brands, I don’t know where you are and what you can get.
Alright, well any tips would be appreciated whether directly useful or not
My personal favourite so far is Billie Green. Looks the part, tastes the part, gets crunchy in a pan but when you fry it you shouldn’t wait too long before eating or it it gets hard.
This comrade has good taste ☝️
Interesting. Seems like it’s largely gluten based. Maybe I can find something comparable in the US. Thanks
The Billie Green Bacon is so tasty! Never saw a Problem with Vegan Bacon. Since I’m Vegan I instantly found that, and eat that since then. Was it shit for a long time?
I’m literally about to go cook some regular bacon right now, but this is completely true in my book. I’ve had some pretty good vegan bacon before, but I don’t know what brand it was.
Just eating it by itself was only like mostly still pretty good in my book, but on a BLT or inside some pancakes, I’d be completely fine just switching. Actually, I’m gonna try to find out what kind it was.
Edit: It was MorningStar Farms veggie bacon. To anyone that thinks all vegan bacon is trash, I’d recommend you give it a try
IMO: occasionally buying organic meat is ok.
IIRC the term “organic” is thrown around pretty loosely and does nothing to guarantee the animals were treated ethically.
It is normal and healthy for people to empathize with the animals they eat, to be concerned about whether or not they are living happy lives and to hope they are slaughtered humanely. However, if it is unethical to harm these animals, then it is more unethical to kill them.
Killing animals for food is far worse than making them suffer. Of course, it is admirable that people care so deeply about these animals that they take deliberate steps to reduce their suffering (e.g. by purchasing “free-range” eggs or “suffering free” meat). However, because they choose not to acknowledge the right of those same animals to live out their natural lives, and because slaughtering them is a much greater violation than mistreatment, people who eat ‘humane’ meat are laboring under an irreconcilable contradiction.
I disagree. They are very likely the worst of the industries in seeing here. Not even in just one way either.
r/woooosh
Not so sure, have you seen these comments?
Where did you get this picture of me?
How did you type that with trotters?
long-time vegan here, this argument is as old as time.
is it ethical to kill? no.
do humans need meat to survive? no.
is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery? yes.
if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.
bonus fun fact: pigs are smarter than dogs
The argument is as old as time and yet yorie absolutely wrong about all of it.
is it ethical to kill?
Under many circumstances, yes it is.
do humans need meat to survive
Not all do, but approximately 1/3 humans have any one of half a dozen different conditions that make them unable to thrive on a vegan diet, even with the expensive supplements that price many working people out of veganism.
Is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery?
No, and you saying so is an insult to every enslaved human on Earth.
if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.
Works cited: crackPipe.png
And your salad has much more exploited human labor in it than my steak has exploited animal labor. Maybe work on ending the exploitation of your own species before trying to equate your fad diet with ethics?
Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings.
And where the fuck did you read that 1/3 of humanity cant go vegan? I cant find a single source on it
Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings
Just say you love huffing the smell of your own farts and that the malnutrition has left you with brain fog too severe to figure out how to operate a search engine.
wrong on every account. (well, maybe not about pigs intelligence)
Very convincing argument from you here
I’ve presented just as much evidence as the user to whom I’m replying.
you are stating oppinions as fact
the humans not needing to eat meat one is a fact
yeah I guess that specific one maybe, but the rest is still true, he is just stating oppinions as fact and that’s just not a good way to argue about anything.
Hey man if you’re gonna be a debate club stickler the least you could do is be accurate in your critique
Except for the humans with malabsorptive disorders, who can’t get enough protein from plant based foods, humans with Achlorhydria, who need more bioavailable nutrients than a plant based diet can provide, and people with any of several conditions affecting the liver or kidneys that prevent the absorption of several key vitamins from plant sources, and people with ARFID who can’t eat plant based foods.
Most humans don’t need to eat meat, but the minority who do need to eat meat is a much larger minority than most vegoon evangelists care to admit to.
You don’t get it. I literally have the disease that makes me die if I don’t eat meat. Check your privilege.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
Healthy humans, unfortunately.
//Seems like at least someone reading this, has not experienced trying to digest stuff like legumes, without a large chunk of their intestines.
Even just a general reduction of meat consumption in the populace could eradicate this kind of farming.
“Reduction of slavery could eradicate whippings”
Abolish it
Yeah, good luck with that. I guess you don’t understand how humans and humanity work. Without incentive, you can’t expect humanity to change anything, especially if the consequences don’t affect them directly.
Theres also a difference between having a factory farm and having a normal more traditional farm, ignoring that is just deliberately being obtuse.
“There’s also a difference between having a full plantation and a couple helping hands at home”
Abolish it
Good luck with that. I wish you well with changing the mind of some 6 or 7 billion people, with your and the previous commenters attitudes, I’m sure you’re going to win everyone over.
Reinforcement of the whole “vegans are insufferable” trope I guess.
changing the mind of some 6 or 7 billion people
You think we needed to change everyone’s mind before we abolished human slavery?
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Never let perfection be the enemy of good.
Why is it inherently unethical to kill and eat animals? Let’s say I raise some free range chickens on my land, consume their eggs and occasionally eat one. Why is this unethical?
I’d argue it’s unethical to kill animals inhumanely or to force them to live so long they suffer like we do with many pets
Exactly, I do just this with my dogs and these fucking militant vegans always be on my case.
Amen 🙏🙏
Good question :)
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Most people imagine only female chickens which means the male chicks are killed soon after birth which is unethical
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Chickens eat their non fertilized eggs to recoup the nutrients it takes to lay them so stealing them has negative consequences for their health (eg fragile bones) causing which is unethical
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The idea itself that you can take something from someone else just because you are stronger or smarter and they can’t stop you is the mindset of an oppressor or a bully and is inherently unethical
The animals are also guilty of #3 , but two wrongs don’t make a right
Yea, what animals do is not considered ethical in plenty of cases. We wouldn’t kill someone else’s baby because “lions do infanticide too” right :p
- Is easily fixed by just not killing the male chickens
- Is easily fixed by giving your chickens nutritionally balanced food
1 is easily fixed
Then why does everyone I know who keeps chickens in their backyard only have female chickens?
🏃♂️ 3? 🦢
I agree with you on point three, so I didn’t list a response.
- has nothing to do with the ethics of killing
- again, the same (especially if they are kept in good nutrition, shells returned, etc.)
- they aren’t a person, and that would make all of nature existing unethical
they aren’t a person, and that would make all of nature existing unethical
are you a person? ethics and morality are human concepts…
arguing that eating meat isn’t unethical because it happens in “nature” is like arguing you should be allowed to rape people because ducks do it…
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I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.
Fuck factory farms, things dont have to be this way. For this and many other wrongs in our world.
I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.
Wow, this is legitimately fucking metal. Yeah, I do hope that, damn, that’s cool AF
Same, but I wanna be secretly fed to my family like a reverse version of South Park’s Cartman and Scott Tenorman.
Context: My family are cunts.
Pretty much my stance on it. Things don’t have to be this way. They don’t have to stop existing in order to not be this way either. We can eat pork and not be cruel to the pigs we eat.
You need at least 16 pigs to do the job. So
be weary offind any man who keeps a pig farm.We don’t really have factory farms in Australia, but holy shit the consistent difference in quality between free range and regular pork MINCE from the same shop is insane
Here is a map of factory farms in Australia: https://www.farmtransparency.org/map
Take this with a large grain of salt, the criteria of the locations on this map is they are locations know OR SUSPECTED to be engaging in animal cruelty or exploitation. And not all of these locations are in operation currently
But we absolutely have a ton of factory farms unfortunately, this is why it’s important to shop as carefully as you’re able to.
That seems to be a map of all farms? How do you filter to factory farms
Not even just farms, tour companies too?
Heard they serve some fine local delicatessen as part of their tours!
It is already filtered to factory farms. Although as I said, take that website with a huge grain of salt. Their criteria for what they add is pretty loose, as you’ve seen.
My point was just that we definitely have factory farms Inghams for example operates over 300 farms across Australia and New Zealand
Your point is severely diminished when you have to tell someone to take your evidence with a grain of salt.
The documentary “Dominion” is literally about factory farms in Australia.
The producers claim the footage is from slaughter houses, which is it?
It’s both.
MMMMMMMMMMMM… Bacon!
A lot of well reasoned discussions in these comments… And every one misses the point.
That bacon is delicious.
Thought this was a shitpost… shrug emoji
Fuck corporations. I buy my pigs from a local farmer and kill them myself. My coworkers complain but I tell them it’s much better when it’s fresh.
How do you kill the local farmers? And, how have you not run out of farms yet? Are you feeding the farmers to your coworkers? So many questions
How are you able to butcher and cook a pig all within your 30 minute lunch break?
We have 1 hour breaks.
Mop tubs in the break room are great for draining the carcass. Then you won’t completely ruin Debra’s cubicle when you butcher it during the holiday party.
Socialism!
Comment section makes me doubt the very obvious-seeming criticism here
I’d give up the bacon and the server farms for affordable consumer grade hardware and tobacco.
How come is water bottle and medicine producing evil?
Because clean, fresh water should be free and easily available. Not sold by large corporations in throwaway bottles.
It’s not about the water it’s the enormous load of plastic going into the ocean. Just bring your own bottle. Simple.
Bottle water is in reference to giant corporations like nestle privatizing access to clean water.
These corporations usually end up buying up rights to an entire water source and restricting access from locals, even if locals had used the water for generations
Medicine is more about the markup of life saving drugs (at least how I interpreted it). Insulin costs less than 10 dollars to make, but gets marked up to 300 dollars. Insurance doesn’t cover it all, so you end up paying most of it out of pocket.
