Firefox says it will keep supporting uBlock Origin even as Microsoft Edge and other Chromium browsers phase it out under Manifest V3.

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    If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.

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      That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.

      If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.

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        Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden

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          i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i’m making heavy use of ublock’s dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.

          if firefox drops manifest v2 and you’re relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

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            you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

            Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don’t use the custom stuff (much) I’m not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible “light” version of uBlock Origin.

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            if firefox drops manifest v2

            I think they said they will go out of their way to keep the extension APIs in Mv3 that uBlock needs

        • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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          Well…

          With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.

          TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.

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              True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.

              Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.

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      I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.

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        librewolf does not have much developer capacity to maintain such heavy patches. you may remember some chromium forks telling they will maintain a patch when google completely removes this API from chromium, but it seems none of them will follow through. I can’t really fault them because it is likely a gargantuan task. but I’ll fault them for claiming something they (should) have known they can’t deliver. but my point is if vivaldi and others can’t keep it, how could librewolf?

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    I can’t imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.

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      Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.

      This would cause me to see them every single damn time.

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        Yeah, the user experience of “just wipe cookies on browser exit” is a lot better than “have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

        However, regarding “every single damn time”…some sites can have their “do you want cookies” popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don’t care about cookies addon. It’s not a solution for every site out there, but it’ll get a lot of them.

        It’s also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify “pop-over” content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It’s really intended as a more-general solution to “pop-over” stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.

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          You can also just enable one of the “Cookie notices” lists in your ublock settings, no need for another extension.

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          have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

          I’m using Ghostery to automatically reject all of those. They pop-in and almost immediately disappear.

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            Ghostery blocks trackers then sells data about your tracking blocking habits. It was the first tracker blocker I heard of but Privacy Badger is the better one nowadays.

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              Not true since 2017 (and even before that it was kinda’ disputed). The adblock part of the business went to Cliqz, a German privacy-focused browser, backed by Mozilla.

              I have downvoted your comment because it’s repeating a popular myth, nothing against you personally.

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        I recommend using the extensions Containers and “temporary containers” instead. This way you can keep cookies for specific containers / websites but all the other cookies get deleted.

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        vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now

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          I was using vivaldi and they were kind enough(seriously) to inform me that they don’t support ublock anymore maybe a week ago.

          Not sure about the reason but I think that it’s a technical thing the Google changed to deliberately make it easy to end ublock on a lot of browsers. Might not be the only reason(actual tech upgrades) but I believe it’s part of the reason since major conspiracies seem much more likely these days.

          Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can’t play x.265 files (jellyfin). Anything that kills the use of ublock is dead to me even though they have their own shitty, bullshit blocking solution. It’s never going to be as good as ublock edit grammar and shit

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              Admittedly, I haven’t tried too hard to get it working in any of the FF browsers lately…my unraid server blew up and it was handling hardware acceleration with a cheap intel vid card. I haven’t felt like messing with until now so I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for the info

              edit: no transcoding when l tried an x.265 in regular firefox. sweet

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            It’s not a conspiracy. It’s been a very well published and discussed process.

            There are exceptions but browsers are either reconfigurations of firefox, like librewolf, or reconfigurations of google chrome, like vivaldi.

            Some dweeb will be along in a moment to tell us all how vivaldi is not merely a reconfiguration, but the point is …

            google changed the manner in which plugins can interact with the web page you see. In recent months you could re-enable the old plugin interface by recompiling with a different configuration, but once google makes a change that breaks that old interface then you can’t just re-enable it.

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          No, you should forget brave it’s yet another piece of shit chrome knock off. Just like the rest. It ain’t immune. It can kick and scream but either the entire project dies or they bend the knee eventually.

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      Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.

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        Now that MV2 is dead in chrome, i wouldn’t bet on YouTube ads being able to be blocked by UBlock Lite for much longer.

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          Pretty sure I’ve read months ago that the maintainers said they’ll try to support it as long as possible but at the moment v2 support is removed from the source code, they’ll won’t have the resources to add it back again.

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    Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let’s hope that does not change at all anytime soon.

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    Instead of uBlock Origin rather use AdNauseam. It’s basically uBlock Origin, but it “clicks” on the blocked ads so the ad networks still have to pay website owners.

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        Ehh, its throwing the response away so there would have to be an exploit that just by receiving a response you are hacked. That would be absurdly bad, with or without AdNauseum

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          Those exact type of issues have existed in the past it’s why the FBI uses ad blocking and recommends that it’s used for security. There have been several browser vulnerabilities over the years that required absolutely no interaction from the user whatsoever it simply had to load the data.

          The whole reason that manifest V3 was such a big deal for unlock origin is that it prevents it from intercepting and stopping the initial connection to The domain in the first place it can only remove it after it’s been received and even that was limited. On Firefox everything is still normal it’s able to completely stop the browser from ever reaching out in the first place

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            Getting “hacked” via clicking a link and discarding the response is so extremely rare. It would require stringing together some of the most prized zero day vulnerabilities. There is just no world where someone would run that kind of attack on a google ad in the current year.

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    Future is dark:

    1. Android getting locked down

    2. They are asking your government ID to use OS, access internet etc.

    There must be real protest, revolution, something otherwise it will just get worst

    • pssst: it’s gonna get worse

      Download a shitload of epubs, roms, backup of wikipedia, and get ready for full-on, unmissable, 1984-style marketing and propaganda culture. You’ll see it, you’ll have to see it, and there will be no option B.

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        Not enough, computers are a limited resource. They should be optional in my opinion, but money machines don’t care, so… Here’s a text wall I just copied from one of my other replies. It’s assuming and talking about a scenario closer societal collapse than 1984, but could be useful either way.

        the

        I’ve thought a lot about this before. Updoot because it’s a good question.

        Basically, if an anarchist society still has access to all of the books and such for long enough, someone somewhere eventually will figure it out. Blowing them glass bulbs is surprisingly uncomplicated once you have metallurgy (tutorial), you don’t even have to use mercury for the vacuum if you happen to have a regular factory built compressor nearby (will one from a fridge work? nobody knows, nobody tried), which you can then rebuild later. Build some circuits using wood + nail and metal wires as the PCBs, do random things to see how it reacts and learn from it. Now, electricity itself and metallurgy are fun but out of scope for this explanation.

        While that is happening, people can reuse existing TV boxes, routers and such. Someone could do a tiny C program or something to distribute data over the existing computers or something, then advertise it over (real life) bullet-in boards. Ironically, I suggest more distributed solutions (whenever possible/feasible of course) over something like this site, or usenet (R.I.P., now just full of piracy). Non-technical people can get their friends to help with using that. People who where previously sysadmins for ISPs and stuff should then probably allow just port scanning IPv4 to discover other people, and/or the v6 multicast (well, hopefully they can figure that out if they haven’t been “docker-washed” or whatever). Now, once someone figured something out, they share it with the comrades and “advertise” it using that solution. Or again, just the real life bullet-in boards.

        If there are enough good minds, they can then proceed to basically skip “regular” transistors and diodes (and maybe even real PCBs, although some already do that at home) and go straight for the micro fab. Now, it requires many fields of science. Like first, you need to take a few buckets of sand, containing rocks and shells and shit (literally), then purify it. Like, really really really fucking pure. This is where my personal level of expertise ends but I am sure that eventually some talented people in their own respective fields can meet up and think of something over an afternoon. From what I know (probably wrong), this basically involves melting it in a vacuum, unmelting, melting, unmelting and so on, then from the piece that formed you have to cut off the edges where all of the impure stuff ended up. Now, you need to make patterns on it. This guy figured it out but gave in and started a company. Basically, instead of the template you shine light through, you could substitute an office projector for something really shitty scale and really shitty reliability, but functional. The rest is mostly chemistry… idk I don’t speak chemistry.

        Now, you can go get someone who speaks transistor logic to implement some really shitty instruction set in hardware. I am sure it wouldn’t be too complicated to address map a teletype for some I/O. First few programs can be in ROM right inside the CPU (with redundant bytes of course given how shitty the manufacturing is) for testing, until RAM is figured out.

        Oh look, my new chip draws boobs on paper!

        Then you, again, go share your findings with the society and find someone who still has a RISC-V design or something downloaded. Now, that might get good enough to run a multi user operating system (this will make sense soon). As much as we hate the C stdlib and all of it’s tech debt, I am not sure if anyone will be up for redoing all of that (yet). I have been shilling OpenBSD a lot lately, but for something like this I would imagine NetBSD would be more fitting. Plan 9’s stdlib is MUCH better (and there’s a functional WIP RISC-V port), but to properly use that you will need pointing and CRT tech so it’s kind of a circular loop there, and it’s also not as accessible due to being mostly GUI and due to having lots of single letter commands/shortcuts to remember across the included programs. Although whatever you can get your dirty hands on (I am being slightly pessimistic (or realistic, even) and assuming not having access to the internet at this stage, the one and only as we know for being controlled by the big IANA). Fork the OS you got. Most tools have been generally designed around some level of hierarchy, although for source control, git and compatibles (got…) remain best (thanks, Torvalds 2005). The reason is sharing patches over plain text, and more importantly applying them, becomes trivial (if you add a signature/checksum, even more so, as you now know it wasn’t corrupted or line converted or anything). Allow anonymous editing like for TCC to minimize said hierarchy (maybe invent a better solution later, like something distributed with proof of work for voting if a patch gets in or not… too bad all of this terminology has been taken by crypto bros). (EDIT: proof of work kind of sucks since capitalist rich kid can get 70 computers) Speaking of TCC, that’s a nice ass compiler, should probably use that to avoid hogging the tiny brain you’ve just built for others. “What others”, well…

        Here’s the part where a multi-user OS starts making sense. As soon as networking starts to network, put it right onto the usual networks with existing repurposed computers from before. Let it be like a pubnix, or “shell provider” if you like calling it that. Let people fuck around, find out (“help I deleted authorized_keys”), maybe even discover backdoors and other bugs. While that is happening, go improve, go make more, go offer some units IRL to especially interested people. Obviously, share the hardware designs, so someone also especially dared could do the office projector thing, while someone else is trying to figure out how to replace the said office projector with something more DIY.

        And basically, there you go. Now, this is technically possible under de-facto capitalism; although I am not sure if anywhere on this planet right now exists a community of especially dared, IRL connected and unoccupied enough in time people.

        EDIT: figured someone might want to use this text.

                    DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
                            Version 2, December 2004
        
         Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>
        
         Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
         copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
         as the name is changed.
        
                    DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
           TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION
        
          0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
        
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        I’ve got 100tb getting filled. I’m ready. Ok in reality its closer to 60 tb after raid and I’m duplicating the important stuff across 2 devices. But that’s only about 5 tb. But I’m including lots of PDFs epubs and zims as important stuff. The rest is just media.

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        I am not sure what your comments mean. I am in tremendous back pain. And didn’t sleep For so long, and the fucking humidity.

        I want to add more. And vent.

        I am old enough and I saw similar actions, and the out come of it.

        Slwoly we are forced to use ESIMS, where I live, I have to pay every time I switch phones.

        And if I am outside of the country, I can’t even switch phones.

        I love the idea of esims, but not how it is implemented.

        Digiral data produced by me is so.expensive to keep.

        It is the digital age, but not a digital .storage age, it is cheaper to print shit.

        Optical storage can store terabytes of data, easy to maintain, you can design a device where the hdd store meta data and anyone from your family cam access the data stored on archival optical drives.

        It is not built because they want us to use the cloud. Maybe it is greed, control, surveillance.

        I just want a simple cartridge that can store my data for decads and technologically that is easily done. There are already archival optical storage sold to data centers, but why not to small businesses or consumers!?!?

        It is basically several bluray discs in a cartridge.

        The future is dark because of human nature.

        And we will do nothing about because look at state of printers. The ink cost more than gold per gram

        Look at air purifiers all proprietary filters that are over priced

        And yes I know about CR boxes but those furnace filters are only sold in USA.

        We are not good creatures

        Sorry, I am coherent enough to know I am not coherent, I needed to vent.

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    That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox. Together with uBlock capitulating against Facebook and all those age registration nonsense, I really am scared about the future of the web.

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      I jumped to i2p for this reason. I think internet is dead, we will have to have a double identity to avoid brainrotting

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      and reddit is aggressively try to force thier login popup at everytime, it hasnt rolled out completely. but people already reported.

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        What are people who were IP banned supposed to do? We can’t sign in because we were banned. I hate ai but at least when I have a question I used to ask reddit it give me an answer at least close to what I’m looking for.

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          i notice just today, they are hiding comments until you login. seems like a new development, thats not being reported or posted anywhere. i waited a whole year and a different fork to make a new account, i thinks its safe to wait a long time before using reddit again.

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            I would have to get a new router which is doable if I absolutely needed to but I’m now getting a phone any time soon unfortunately. But honestly? It was just a time suck. All I did was argue with stupid people. I think I’m better off without it.

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        Yep with the login for old.reddit I’ve officially stopped using it completely. No I will not run their Javascript.

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      Meh if a site doesnt work on firefox I move on. I dont want all the shit that comes with visiting from chrome. If I cnt buy because of cookies or ads then I wont buy from them.

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        first it was the news sites, then the shops and venues, but I didn’t speak up because I haven’t used them anyway.

        then the utiliies companies did that, but I didn’t speak up, so far as I can pay the invoices personally it’s not a big deal.

        then came the government sites, but meh, I can just go in person! sure it takes away many hours but it’s not worth the hassle to complain!

        and by that time nothing else was left either, because all the other sites dropped support in the meantime, while I did not have the time anymore to notice it.

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      That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox.

      A lot of websites that really should be testing for this don’t work on Firefox.

      Absolute worst case Firefox can focus on feature parity(as it already has a lot of), and lie on the UserAgent

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        Kids today don’t know that’s how life started for Firefox. Except the browser it had to copy was closed source.

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      When I did a site that didn’t play nice with one of my various Mozilla Gecko/Fusion browser flavors, I try a different one.

      When they all are failing, not just WaterFox, I either fire up DuckDuckGo Browser or Safari if on a Mac.

      If that were to fail I probably would quit using that service.

      My actual Google account isn’t allowed on most of my computers anymore, since I DeGoogled, and only have it operating in very sandboxed environments like one Vivaldi browser that lives inside of a VM.

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      Other adblocks still work. I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

      No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

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        No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

        because google took away the API for network traffic filtering. all that current filtering addons can do is pass a very brief, rarely updated network filter list to the browser, and insert cosmetic tweaks to the pages you visit. they can’t look anymore at all details of any network request and decide what do to. except on Firefox, where it has not been taken away.

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          OK, sure, but what are the actual, real-life consequences of that?

          I don’t see any ads online. So ad-blocking still works. What doesn’t work?

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            OK, sure, but what are the actual, real-life consequences of that?

            uBlock Origin and any other effective content blocker had that as its most important weapon, without exaggeration. it has many other techniques for specific circumstances, but preventing to load the ad scripts, and preventing network requests that send back data to the advertising company, are universally a powerful tool.

            I don’t see any ads online. So ad-blocking still works. What doesn’t work?

            you don’t see them because addons can still insert unlimited cosmetic tweaks. CSS snippets that make specific elements hidden. but the ads are still loaded, consuming network and CPU resources, and the ad framework still collects usage, interaction and device data.

            also, the addons now can’t regularly update the lists even for what cosmetic tweaks to apply. google has decided it does not allow addons in their addon store that fetch filterlists from the network. this means these addons need to embed the lists in themselves. list updates are released much less frequently, and can have several days delay while google decides whether the updated version contains something malicious or otherwise unacceptable to their policies. compared to that, uBlock Origin on Firefox updates the lists every day by default, with no delay, as it fetches the lists directly from their websites.

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              uBlock Origin and any other effective content blocker had that as its most important weapon, without exaggeration. it has many other techniques for specific circumstances, but preventing to load the ad scripts, and preventing network requests that send back data to the advertising company, are universally a powerful tool.

              You’re just repeating what you already said.

              My question is: since there are (and always have been) other privacy-oriented extensions (e.g. Privacy Badger, Ghostery) and they still work just as they always have, what is the advantage of specifically using uBO with Mv2?

              you don’t see them because addons can still insert unlimited cosmetic tweaks. CSS snippets that make specific elements hidden. but the ads are still loaded, consuming network and CPU resources, and the ad framework still collects usage, interaction and device data.

              I just loaded up YouTube and didn’t see a single call to a known ad server, so this seems to be false.

              Also: the CPU usage of loading even a couple MB-worth of ads is negligible compared to the overall resource hungriness of Chromium.

              (…) list updates are released much less frequently (…)

              I did notice that every now and again YouTube would block me from using it due to detecting the adblocker, but is that an inherent disadvantage of Mv3? And why wouldn’t the extension developers then embed the updated filter lists and just release them as extension updates? Does Google limit the frequency of those?

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                I just loaded up YouTube and didn’t see a single call to a known ad server, so this seems to be false.

                of course you didn’t. on youtube ads are not served from different domains. have you ever heard about pihole not being able to block youtube ads? that’s why. every ad is literally a video uploaded to youtube, it is even possible to watch them as videos, with their own video page.

                Also: the CPU usage of loading even a couple MB-worth of ads is negligible compared to the overall resource hungriness of Chromium.

                not always the case, differs by ad and ad framework, but the memory savings are still significant. and the difference matters more on weak computers, old computers, battery powered computers and when you are on a metered network.

                I did notice that every now and again YouTube would block me from using it due to detecting the adblocker, but is that an inherent disadvantage of Mv3?

                I don’t know if that’s what causes that. but not being able to update filterlists independently means that nobody can react quickly to when a website starts detecting a content blocker, or when ads start reappearing. the needs to wait for the next addon update, which may take multiple days.

                And why wouldn’t the extension developers then embed the updated filter lists and just release them as extension updates? Does Google limit the frequency of those?

                because all addon updates go through a review. the effectiveness of it is largely debatable, but it delays updates significantly.

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                  of course you didn’t. on youtube ads are not served from different domains. have you ever heard about pihole not being able to block youtube ads? that’s why. every ad is literally a video uploaded to youtube, it is even possible to watch them as videos, with their own video page.

                  So it’s not a privacy issue, it’s an ad issue. Which doesn’t show, it’s blocked.

                  What does uBO do different here?

                  or when ads start reappearing. the needs to wait for the next addon update, which may take multiple days.

                  Just FYI - that only happens to me on YouTube every once in a while. Like, three times this year for a day or two.

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    does anyone happen to know if helium browser will keep supporting mv2/ublock origin beyond the removal of mv2 from chromium?

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    Alternate headline: Firefox is now the only browser worth using.

    And in any case, lumping Firefox as one browser is disingenuous. There are numerous Firefox forks, just like every other major browser is in fact a Google Chromium fork.

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    Vivaldi phases it out? I haven’t been off mobile in a while so I didn’t know that was planned. Waterfox still does ok.

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    If it goes… I don’t know what I’ll do.

    Go out and touch grass probably.

    Get a hobby.

    Perfect my molotov recipe.

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      Come on, the meme format requires you to put another normal sentence at the end right after the provocative one lol.

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        I meant… Robot molotov. With AI. And cloud. And blockchain integration.

        I don’t know what I’m doing I hope that will suffice.

        Wait what meme format.

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        What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?

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          Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.

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          im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff’s security turned on.

          im not wrong, you all are just fanboys

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            3 days later and that’s all you’ve got? No wit in that staircase. The only time you’re worth is the catharsis in telling you to kick rocks; so kick rocks.

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                yeah no you’re still not worth my time. time to block your little wet fart of an existence. byeeeeeeeee

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        Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?

        Chrome’s advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn’t that much worse.