Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
I think the best way to counter this is to fix Ubuntu. It has what it needs to work as an introductory distro. I don’t know what made Ubuntu so bloated and buggy but I bet it’s salvageable. I’m not saying Ubuntu was ever the greatest but it was one of the first distro to be simple to use.
When I first came over from windows in 2013 Ubuntu detected all of my hardware and would install drivers by clicking a button. That seems like not a big deal now but then it felt like a miracle, it gave me a chance to learn about Linux while it was also functional.
If omarchy takes that new user crowd it might actually be a problem. Omarchy might fail if they don’t keep stealing from Arch development.
Maybe I’m out of touch because I have no idea what new linux users go to today. Steamos? What are the usual hurdles that new users face in 2026?
I think the main problem of Ubuntu is GNOME. After version 2 it became useless, like a kid’s toy.
While I personally can’t stand GNOME these days, it’s not the problem here. It’s Canonical’s desire for Snaps, a notoriously less standardized (and mature) packaging format, to be used for literally everything in Ubuntu; they’re aiming for system components to use it in the nebulous ‘future’.
Totally agree. Snap is scary!
Fedora is the introductory distro now.
I forgot about fedora. It runs really well. I forget that’s what I would use if Arch wasn’t around. I actually loved slackware, I just need them to update their kernel more than once a decade. When I was running old hardware it was fun. I don’t know why it’s so satisfying. I think it just feels like home…
if Ubuntu can finally ditch the snaps and just use flatpak, we could recommend it again.
ugh… politics. wake me up when there is a technical controversy to talk about
I mean, I’m pretty sure this excuse for a distro shipped with multiple critical bugs lol.
It really should not be receiving funding when compared to the handful of other arch packs thst actually have a functioning security model.
i agree with this. OP should have started with that
Are atomic bombs only technical to you? No tech is apolitical. Wake up.
you are making an unfair comparison here by comparing apples to oranges. atomic bombs kill people, linux distros dont. and if you are still upset just a reminder that many defense, air craft, and MILITARY missile launching systems …use linux
It’s not unfair. Giving mindshare to those fuckers helps to kill people in the end. And don’t be disingenuous, linux is in military systems, yes -that’s bad- just like the good guys must have atomic bombs as a deterrent of Imperial greed (hopefully the Iranian people are making theirs right now 🇮🇷✊🇵🇸✊)
Were all Arch Linux users always THIS insufferably apolitical? Mein Gott. That’s why the far-right has them by the balls.
+1 from me. People are so happy to boycott projects that are presenting different political views while they don’t bat an eye when other projects they back up are similarly political but on the other side of the spectrum.
I agree it’d be best to have apolitical tech initiatives but since people won’t be able to have their beliefs to themselves then we just have to agree everyone has the right to have their political opinion tied to the projects that they develop. Sad, but at least honest.
I don’t think anyone wants apolitical tech except for a few people like you, who haven’t thought about it very much.
I want liberationary tech. The entire reason I got interested in FOSS in the first place was because it forms a natural extension of the liberationary political work that I do in other fields. If you want apolitical software, then why are you interested in linux, which inherently challenges traditional notions of copyright? No tech is apolitical.
Do you want Liberation or Liberalism/Libertarianism? No sure whether I should click on the “agree” icon. I hope for the former, specially if you’re coming from the working class.
Uh yeah, projects on the side of the political spectrum which hurts people and acts in bad faith are not worth supporting, and projects on the side which protects and helps people are worth supporting, no shit dumbass.
People who don’t do politics are confusing to me.
i watched the video. my answer is simple, maybe even to a stupid degree: i don’t like to take heart medications
All I see here is major butt hurt
Nice comprehensive overview of why this piece of slop called a “distro” and its backers should be boycotted, thank you! Gives me even more motivation to finish up mine today.
Compiling a kernel? 😀
I’m making my own distro rn, announced it a week ago here and will likely release today or tomorrow! https://pu-239.org/ https://lemmy.ml/post/52307735
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
I’m not going to migrate all my Arch boxes (basically all my x86/64 boxes), but I may use it somewhere else, just to test the idea.
I loved the idea of Atomic Fedora, but it did not work seamlessly, and to my experience, it did the opposite: worse than a regular Fedora. I needed to babysit it, and also it didn’t auto switch the previous working system for me. Perhaps it’s me who missed something. As an idea, though, I think that’s what should click to a normie: you tell them to install this distro, get your handful of apps as Flatpaks and forget about the system, as it manages itself.
To keep this topic alive, let me ask you a question: how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one? Does it mean it didn’t boot, or anything else? Just yesterday, I had faced a weird issue: my old trusty MacBook Pro serving as a server now, had no WiFi (it has Ethernet port, but temporarily I cannot use it, so it’s wireless). The
broadcom-wldriver switched tolinux-headers, which I didn’t have installed. I don’t remember me changing anything, and fortunately that was an easy fix (with an external USB WiFi card): just install Linux headers, and it would rebuild itself. So I’m just curious whether it’s even possible to find out a stupid issue a normie user may face.On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
Haha, I know I know, yet another Arch-based distro in this economy, but I really feel like this does fill a gap, thank you for your interest!
On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
My aim is to make this both appealing for the normie who just wants to use it like “SteamOS but with CachyOS speed” and run Flatpaks on it AND for the more experienced user who wants all the benefits of Arch but with a little more peace of mind.
how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one?
As the website explains, it automatically falls back to the last working state if it doesn’t boot, but obviously it can’t detect if something is messed up but still booting like in your example. In that case you just reboot and manually select the last working state (wip but kinda working already) just like a BTRFS snapshot, BUT it only rolls back the system itself, NOT your files. A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever so my system, when it’s stable and tested, will be superior in every way to BTRFS snapshots.
A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever
Not necessarily. You can have your documents on one subvolume and the root system on another. I version and snapshot my root disk and home disk separately.
True, if you set it up out of the box with CachyOS it rolls the entire disk back, but I forgot that option was a thing, my bad!
Don’t take it the wrong way, but if you “forget” such a basic thinkg, are you really suited for creating and maintaining a whole distro? Maybe you need a few years more experience first?
This looks amazing! Thank you for your contribution! :D <3
Good to know what to omit, also:
Use and fund open alternatives to the boycotted tools: Bitwarden instead of 1Password, Nextcloud or Co-op Cloud instead of Dropbox or AWS, WooCommerce or Openfront instead of Shopify, Signal, Matrix, XMPP, or Delta Chat instead of Slack. Sourcehut, Gitea, or Forgejo instead of GitHub.
I bet here’s a typo, because I can’t believe Matrix is also bad
“signal, matrix, xmpp, or delta” instead of slack
Astonishing that Free and Open Source Software with little to no employees cannot compete exactly 1:1 with a VC funded company with a hundred full-time employees.
edit: 2.545 employees as of 2021. I even have to wonder how do they need so many, what for?
I was responding to the poster’s suggestion that there was a typo, I think there isn’t but it’s just a bit hard to read, and all those I quoted are in the “better options” column.
Not gonna lie, the whole text confused me at first
Bitwarden instead of “1Password”,
Nextcloud or Co-op Cloud instead of “Dropbox or AWS”,
WooCommerce or Openfront instead of Shopify,
Signal, Matrix, XMPP, or Delta Chat instead of Slack.
Sourcehut, Gitea, or Forgejo instead of GitHub.
I don’t know why they didn’t use the dots, but it doesn’t really matter, the message is almost clear after all
How is it “open source” with all that bloatware garbage it has? There is nothing open source about it from what I saw.
Am I crazy for saying that DHH is a far-right plant and Omarchy is a plot to destroy FOSS from the inside?
Yes. You are. You people are acting like Omanchy existing will bring down democracy as we know it. Its just a project. Sure its got some weird backing and DHH is a scumbag, but y’all need to calm the fuck down. Just ignore it. It will go away.
They won’t listen… here’s a response to a similar comment I saw in another thread:
Ignoring fascists and hoping they go away is one reason why fascism is having a resurgence right now
You can’t reason with unreasonable people.
It’s not just a program it’s a movement. It has budget of 13m usd that comes from corporations who have maybe 0.01% of their user base on linux. Why do you think that is? Why would 1Password and friends do this?
DHH is far right, clearly, I’m not sure they have a plan for destroying FOSS, they seem to be trying to normalize their worldview (which is bad enough)
I’d say he wants to purge the “woke” in FOSS
Donate to KDE and Gnome and your favorite linux programs!
They passed a bunch on to Hyprland. Fuck all these transphobes and other bigoted right-wing assholes.
Actually, no. Fuck someone nice. Or don’t; I’m not your mother.
There will be a day when I finally learn to code properly and fork the fuck out of X. I’ll name it
antifaX.Or not, because it sounds… what’s the opposite of sex positive? 🥵
It is always easy to judge, especially when using a software that was mainly developed by tankies. Can’t always win.
“Judge”? My brother free/libre software, they’re the ones who want me to not exist. I do not wish an ill fate upon them; however, I cannot tolerate intolerance.
Also, if they were vocally hateful against any other marginalised community, it would be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of Linux users.
Oh, there is no question about how evil Hyprland devs are. Don’t forget that tankies are pro-Russia and pro-Russia is anti-trans. Same shit, different boat.
I don’t even understand these “tankies” as they’re called. I thought they were Communists, but if they support a Capitalist country (Russia), then they’re not very Communist, are they?
Communists that support Russia have critical support, which means we support some of what they do, such as supporting Cuba during a genocidal blockade, but we still have valid criticisms. You won’t see any of us claim Russia is morally good or some nonsense.
Communists don’t judge countries based on their perceived moral character. Russia, like all countries, acts in the interest of its own ruling class. Right now the interest of their ruling class is aligned with anti-imperialist forces. We understand that imperialism is the primary contradiction, and that as long as we live under a unipolar world order the global majority will only get poorer and more exploited, that climate change will inevitably kill most of us and that those who survive will be tied to the same exploitative forces.
The only reason why some of us come across as “pro-Russia” is because we’re often debunking imperialist propaganda. As long as people are willing to read beyond wikipedia or a genocide-denying newspaper, we’re fine discussing events with a lot more nuance than we get credit for. But it’s a lot easier to pretend we’re crazy Putin-loving tankies, so that’s what you see here.
Russia is only critically supported by communists for its objective material opposition to the current imperialist hegemony by the US. The idea that communists can only support communists is a bit reductive, communists support the international working classes and their liberation. This means supporting elements that weaken the primary world contradiction right now, US imperialism. Obviously communists would prefer Russia turn socialist, but that does not change that it is still playing a progressive role in undermining the US.
I just made the switch from Hyprland to Mango today, and it has everything Hyprland had and more, and no transphobia that I know of!
Maybe you are 🫣 Jk, I do think hyprland is a nice WM. But man… The drama around it.
I mean, if you wa—oh, you were kidding. You could try some of the forks of sway. I’ve heard swayfx is pretty good.
Ah, another witch hunt in FOSS world. Some things will never change.
I couldn’t care less about that asshole. My issue is with the people in the list, some of which aren’t even related in any way to Omarchy.
And I’m honestly tired of people whose only contribution to FOSS is manufactured drama, targeting actual contributors because they didn’t pass their purity test, which apparently involves never posting anything ever, or knowing exactly all the opinions and positions of all the people in an organization they donated money to. Even worse, we have Stallman in the list, and whatever opinion you have about the guy, he was never linked to Omarchy, and we would likely never had FOSS as we know it without him.
So yeah, fuck this performative drama shit, brought to you by some guy who hasn’t contributed anything relevant to FOSS, ever.
Neocities? I thought that was dead
You might be thinking about Geocities, it died in 2009. Neocities was inspired by Geocities but is a separate project launched in 2013.
Ah, that explains it
Snake Plisskin? I heard you were dead.
I rewatched Escape from New York half a year back and oh boy does it still hold up.
I watched Escape from New York just a few years ago for the first time (ok its probably 5 years ago). And I had a blast, film really holds up. I don’t know why I didn’t watched it before, given that I’m an 80s kid and watched all the 80s and 90s films, and I am a huge fan (of the first) Metal Gear Solid. For any reader who don’t know why MGS this is relevant: Kojima was inspired by this film when creating the Metal Gear series. The main character even is named Snake.
Big Boss using an eyepatch is no coincidence hehe
Little off topic now, but can’t wait how his next project Physint will be. Its said to be an espionage game again, and the teaser art looks suspicious so far.
In their words they are open source, donation funded, zero advertising, zero ai data selling place to create free websites. A “social network of 1,751,700 web sites that are bringing back the lost individual creativity of the web. We offer free static web hosting and tools that allow you to create your own web site.”
As the other comment explained already, you was thinking of Geocities. I actually recently put Neocities to my list of web hosters, in case I want to do something with it. Seems quiet nice and is a homage to Geocities.
People use Brave even though Peter Thiel is one of its main investors. People use Brave even though it was created by Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
More interesting example: people use Firefox despite Google being main donator. I know it’s more complicated, but yeah, Mozilla wouldn’t survive otherwise.
Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
Even worse, the creator of JavaScript
</s>Yeah but is it a reason not to do anything? Some people don’t care, some are unaware. For the last ones we should keep pushing for making tech landscape a betted place for everyone
I had the sense that the general consensus in the inner tech circles is that Brave is bad and Firefox is good.
Its the outer ring of the tech circles still privvy to Brave.
The vast majority of people don’t know that or couldn’t care less about it, who’s behind it isn’t even a thing worthy of thought for many. It’s sad and sucks but it’s the truth.
Yeah, don’t use Omarchy, not sure why anyone would need to since there are versions with more stable support and a myriad of other free options for every niche. The site lists many great reasons not to use it, that is appreciated.
I don’t use Cloudflare but I’ll say that’s probably the hardest service for people to leave because it’s been the easiest to set up and forget.
Now my one gripe. The People to Avoid category is a weird omelette that put together multiple lists of people and brands them all as fascists to avoid. It’s a set of massive purity test retcons that are not productive because it mixes overt bigots (Yarvin) and Silicon Valley grifters (Dorsey) with people that are living foundations of open source who are accused of odd behaviour.
Is rms going around harassing women? Cuz the last talk I watched of him he was battling cancer. (I have read the Stallman Report, but as far as I interpret it he is just trying to make sense of normally taboo topics by writing it out, even if the way he writes it out people feel harmed or creeped out about it because it doesn’t match today’s accepted norms.) I wouldn’t ask him for dating advice but I wouldn’t hesitate to ask him for computer advice. Louis Rossman has an opinion that I believe is wrong, but not one he holds strongly enough that he would discriminate or disrespect a customer over it or let it interfere with the goals of owning goods you buy.
Yes, question the questionable parts, but to avoid them altogether is excessive IMHO, each should be taken case-by-case.
Everyone, without exception, is flawed in certain ways. While there are people that make their flaws their whole identity, which you should avoid, for those who don’t, you have accept to a certain degree to achieve solidarity and accomplish things bigger than themselves. That degree doesn’t have to be charitable as me, but my opinion is that lists that make it seem all equally bad is disingenuous.
If those individuals want to distance themselves from a Nazi movement, they can do so. They can put out statements clarifying their association. RMS battling cancer is an extreme case.
I’ve been to a few conferences and talks where Stallman was in the audience.
He often spoke up and asked why things weren’t free open software, even after one was explained how it would be a non-profit educational web service.
He wasn’t wrong, but he was often a dick about it.
He also rarely had shoes on, just socks. At least around the MIT campus in those days.
Right in the paraphrased quote declaring Rossman a transphobe he doesn’t care enough to be trans-exclusive, in fact I’d argue the main point is that the culture war is stupid and unproductive, he’d prefer to be inclusive because it’s irrelevant, that seems like clarification to me and it’s the author muddying the waters up with the bad paraphrasing. His organization FUTO is funded by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter. I know almost exactly how Rossman picked up some chud-like opinions, it’s because he got bullied and screwed over so hard in New York, not from any other relationship. No evidence has been presented that he has anything to do with Omarchy, MAGA, or right-wing fascist movement, including that comment.
I want people not to confuse some latent opinions with a lack of integrity.
The full comment for context
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let’s say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it’s not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of “obesity” is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me.
I will continue never using it
And I salute your action of inaction! 🫡
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free “advertising” and probably even boosting their ego.
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
I’m right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is “imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage”.
There’s just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
Everything, every fucking thing on the right to the left Is designated as far right fascist these days, stop wasting my time.
Maybe that’s because a ton of public figures are being brazenly fascist in public
