I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
The Soviets raped and killed everything in sight when they entered Romania. They can go to hell with their “help”. They fought the nazis, and they took advantage of the rest of us.
Nevermind how they installed a communist regime that ruined romania for like a decade or whatever. Not that communism is bad but that one sure was.
I don’t think you speak for all Romanians
Majority of Romanians view Ceaușescu and communist era positively, study shows
Romania’s president has expressed concern after a new survey highlighted a growing sense of nostalgia for the communist era, with former totalitarian leader Nicolae Ceaușescu viewed positively by most Romanians.
The study, released this week, revealed that nearly 56% of Romanians believe the communist regime—widely regarded as one of the harshest of its era—brought more benefits than drawbacks to Romania.
A large majority of respondents—over 66%—told researchers they now regard former dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu, who ruled the country with an iron fist from 1965 to 1989, as a good leader.
The Institute for Public Opinion Polling (INSCOP) study, conducted with the Institute for the Investigation of Communist Crimes and the Memory of the Romanian Exile (IICCMER), suggests that nostalgia for the past is tied to widespread disenchantment around the country’s current prospects.
Just over 27% of respondents said they believed things in Romania are heading in a good direction, with more than 63% feeling that the country is on the wrong track.
Groups most likely to share positive sentiments about the communist era included the over-60s, people on lower incomes, and those living in the countryside or small towns. The same groups expressed the greatest disillusionment with present-day Romania.
In total, over 48% of Romanians said they believed life was better under communism.
https://tvpworld.com/87994994/majority-of-romanians-nostalgic-for-communism-study-shows
The majority’s opinion doesn’t mean shit. Do I need to remind everyone that America voted an old geezer pedophile billionaire bastard for president?
No, I don’t speak for all Romanians. I’m glad I don’t.
Ceausescu was an installed leader that had only Russia’s interests in mind, which wanted everything the leaders from other countries had, like Russia, North Korea, and other such countries. He wanted massive parrades, massive buildings, massive ego-boosting bullshit.
He then made all lthat happen. In the process, indebted the country MASSIVELY. It took us decades to recover, and the Romanian worker paid for it, not him and his cronies. In the end he was executed by the revolution on Christmas for his acts of treason against his working class. Those people that stood up to him were heroes.
Those that praise Ceausescu often say that he got rid of our debts. BUT HE CREATED THOSE DEBTS, with his ego-spending and megalomany
Those that like Ceausescu are idiots. They are the same people that like George Simion and Calin Georgescu.
The majority’s opinion doesn’t mean shit.
It actually means a whole lot more than your inane drivel.
I only spat out facts, go check all of that yourself and argue like a man if you disagree instead of saying the equivalent of “NU-HUH”
The fact is most people who live in your country disagree with you.
No, that is Nazi propaganda that the US continued propagating through the cold war since it made the Soviets look bad. While there were definitely rapes that occurred, that happens with every occupying army, there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers. Any attempt to quantify this shows that American and British soldiers were more prolific in rapes of French women than Soviets anywhere on the Eastern Front, even though the usual refrain is just that the Soviets were better at covering it up than the US or UK, the lack of evidence is itself evidence. Also, most of the studies of this shows that having armed women combat fighters on the front and a more gender integrated military really cut down on the usual “boys will be boys” attitude of not addressing these things.
The other attempt to try to demonstrate this is the huge spike of recorded abortions in East Germany after the war, but if you think for a second about how Nazi Germany and West Germany outlawed abortions, but abortions became fully legal under East Germany, there might have been another explanation.
there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers
…meanwhile…
Have fun with a wench and take some trifle — Joe “War Crime” Stalin
Begone tankie
Joseph “defeated the Nazis and beat the Americans to space” Stalin, lol
Which one of your living presidents isn’t a war criminal?
bullshit apologism for red army rape and war crimes, claims it wasn’t tolerated
Show Stalin himself, on record, expressing approval for war crimes
wHaT aBoUt UsssAa???
Living proof you have to have some cognitive deficiency to subscribe to the tankie narrative. Go touch some grass or eat dirt or something, the internet is rotting your brain.
Im not the same guy, I just thought you were a dumbass. Thanks for proving me right, I guess?
Never said you were? I guess it’s probably easy for you to hallucinate persecution narratives since you spend so much time flooding your brain with garbage. Thanks for proving me right I guess
Lmao. You’re like devoid of self awareness. It’s fascinating.
You’re fucking stupid. My family has first hand experience with all of that, you fucking tankie idiot.
Awee someone doesn’t know how to articulate a coherent thought so they just resort to becoming a li’l cave man, Hahaha.
Lemmy was started by authoritarian communists (often called tankies) who got banned from Reddit, so they are generally more abundant here. They have their own alternate version of reality where the USSR was the most perfect society to ever exist and the west is the source of all evil in the world.
There are a few instances (aka servers) they tend to congregate on, but the main one is Lemmy.ml. It was the first server made so despite its extreme ideological slant, it still has a lot of subscribers. Just avoid any communities on Lemmy.ml and this shouldn’t happen anymore.
To elaborate, they are tankies who believe trans rights are western pink washing. And who larp as Haitian revolutionaries from their ergonomic computer chairs. And who literally do not post outside of their home instance because they can’t handle the internet without their “I win” ban button.
no such thing as authoritarian lib
Yeah, it’s really inconvenient for y’all when people have a word to accurately summarize the fatal flaw in your ideology isn’t it?
Which country is not authoritarian?
China and Russia of course!!
/s
And hexbear IMO.
oh hey you’re the guy who got banned for coming into a trans space and calling people fake cause you didn’t like their opinions, interesting that you’ve found new home.
Wow, your days must be fun.
But we already talked about it and I came out clean. But I guess you forgot that and now I’m “that guy”, guess rules only go one way for you.
I’ll kick out tankies all day any day btw, even if they are trans (which was the case here IIRC), but being banned on .ml is what you’ll get just for being normal or knowing history lol.
Edit: better wording in my explanation.
especially if they masquerade as trans to gain favours, (which was the case here IIRC)
since you forgot, it was this exchange.
yeah being a transphobe is pretty ‘normal’ these days.
You calling me a transphobe is really just bullying mindlessly.
Blocked.
Ya the guys in Lemmy.ml tend to be pretty weird like that. They aren’t a monolith but in general they tend to think that Russia, China, and North Korea have never done anything bad and that all the evil in the world comes from capitalism in europe and America and that the whole world will be fixed when The Revolution comes. It is all sort of like evangelical Christianity with the numbers filed off, the president of the United States is like an appointed satan (appointed, not elected, they don’t believe elections work/are real in the west) who rules over hell which is the west (sometimes stylized as “Amerikkka”, often accompanied by an American flag emoji with a fire emoji on top of it or a jpeg of a Chinese emperor shooting a fireball), Karl Marx is sort of like Jesus and mao, lenin, Stalin, etc. are the disciples, and The Revolution is the rapture. It is a pretty interesting belief system and I think the .ml guys all mean well, but they can be really difficult to talk to sometimes, as you’ve seen.
My time on Lemmy drastically improved when I blocked the “Tankie Triad”, which is Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Lemmy(dot)ml. I also unsubscribed from anything .ml and manually searched for the next most-popular non-tankie community for that topic.
I don’t care if you have different beliefs than me, but tankies are unreasonable, trolling, and biased, in both content and moderation. They’re not around to discuss anything in good faith…
This post is better suited for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Just so you know, that community (really instance) is so biased they literally won’t allow any criticism of your home instance…
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39126561?scrollToComments=true
If a place to highlight mod abuse only allows posts they agree with, it’s propaganda.
Like, of all the communities that bias would be a problem, a place to complain about moderation is probably where it’s the biggest problem.
That being said, there’s a fair chance you were already aware of that and have somehow rationalized it being ok
Personally feel that was pretty rational considering the sheer amount of transphobic vitriol those threads always drew. I was tired of seeing them every time I scrolled, and some of the alt spamming transphobia stuff was completely out of hand. If you read the thread you linked announcing it, they also only banned a very specific genre of YPTB thread related to Blahaj, and other posts about Blahaj are still allowed.
Note that this decision isn’t about ideological gatekeeping, its about reducing the workload for our own mods and admins in trying to moderate this community, and to avoid iterating over the same old topics again and again.
Blajah isn’t getting a “free pass” over YPTB posts - if you feel they are power tripping over other issues then feel free to make a post here. But if it’s a post questioning the validity of xenogenders or about Blajah bans for gatekeeping then that will no longer be allowed here.
Feel like you are representing this really unfairly.
Feel like you are representing this really unfairly.
If you look at the timestamps that’s an at least 2 year old post that recently seemed to get relaxed…
I’ve had both those instances blocked for at least two years, and was running off memory.
But I did take the time to search blajah just now, that mod post is the only post. It’s possible there’s some that just have a community name and are from that instance, but I doubt it.
I also just don’t really care that much about drama with two instances I’ve had blocked for years.
Both places are full of power tripping mods/admins, whem I run into those places, I block them and move on
Just so you know, that community (really instance) is so biased they literally won’t allow any criticism of your home instance…
So you led with a complete fabrication (2 years ago the admin of db0 is saying the ban should only cover that topic and that it should be temporary)
I also just don’t really care that much about drama with two instances I’ve had blocked for years.
Which is why you felt the need to comment and lie about them. Sure thing. Any other things you don’t care about you want to weigh in on unprompted?
Also I just looked and a post about 196 on Blahaj and transphobia is the 3rd post from the top excluding the pinned thread. 😂
I’m not sure why you’d think I’d have seen that when I just said it was blocked for years…
But I looked:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76216189?scrollToComments=true
The blajah admin saw comments they didn’t like on a different instance, and instead of blocking the right person, blocked someone else…
I’m not sure why you’d support admins banning people for comments on completely different instances, but I honestly don’t give a fuck, am not gonna try to change your mind, and am never going to see any other comments you ever post.
Imagine getting caught in a lie and saying the truth is the problem.
If I had to choose between having a conversation with someone from ml or dbzer0, id just give myself a concussion and take a nap.
Edit: I need to correct myself. ml doesnt seem that bad and I think I got it mixed up with something else. Might be losing my mind a little.
What’s wrong with db0? They don’t like Hexbear.
User is likely right-leaning. They tend to hate anarchists and MLs just as much.
I don’t hate anarchists, I hate people that fucking cosplay as anarchists.
Edit: some of you over there are alright, if not great, but unfortunately the “super cool” theming of the instance doesn’t really help. Some people see anarchism as just some cool thing, while they would be willing to punch down on service workers just to prove a point. This is a fun example of why it’s better for me to just not engage.
I might run into you at union action or protests on the same side, but this is just exhausting.
I don’t think any of us likes “punching down on service workers”. I’m not sure where you get that vibe.
Someone from there boasting about littering in govt and corporate owned places, and me getting pissed about the strain that puts on the minimum wage cleaners that are already stressed enough as is, and seeing the response to that from others - that ended up making me lose my cool in a bad way that I’d like to avoid from happening.
I’m pretty sure all of the context has been nuked, and I’m sorry if one instance has made me unfairly mark it as a place to avoid for my own sanity and personal growth goals.
Which worldnews? IIRC there are multiple communities called that way.
Also you should stop using Facebook and Tiktok, it’s not good for your brain and for democracy.
Which worldnews? IIRC there are multiple communities called that way.
Also you should stop using Facebook and Tiktok, it’s not good for your brain and for democracy.
What does Facebook and tiktok have to do with anything?
lemmy.ml is a tankie instance. Anyone and anything from there can be disregarded entirely.
liberal worlder: “Tankies = anything remotely leftist”
The two lead devs literally have Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, two of the most horrific scum in history, as their idols and spend their time dick riding Mao. They’re openly Tankies.
The two lead devs literally have Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, two of the most horrific scum according to Amrikkkan written history
Fidel Castro tortured and executed thousands of political dissidents.
Guevara implemented concentration camps for gays and literally took the motto of Auschwitz “work sets you free” turning it into “work will turn you into men”. Except he just had them tortured and executed. Along with hundreds of other political dissidents, himself personally taking part in the torture and murder of 216 people, making him one of the most prolific serial killers in history.
Now, fuck off tankie. The only good commie is a dead commie.
haha yea! Amerikkka had no reason to lie about anything to do with cuba not lik they led the red scare and mercilessly shutdown any country that wanted communism, im sure they would tots not propagandize Castro.
go ahead and give me a non cia source then, zionazi lib
And yet things got significantly better for the Cuban people. Makes you wonder how bad things were under the Batista slavery regime, doesn’t it?
Let me guess, you’d hate Nat Turner, too right?
Seriously though: how do you reconcile your view above with American celebration of Nat Turner?
Do you ever think about the moral implications of Nat Turner?
Was this ml? I was banned for saying NATO was a defensive alliance.
thats because its not its an imperialist tool with nothing defensive about it, lib worlders man 😒
Exhibit A.
Points to guy that is completely correct “Haha, get a load of this guy!”
Exhibit B.
points at guy that is completely correct “Get a load of this guy!”
- one month old account
- every comment is repeating tankie talking points
Bro you’re not beating the allegations
Literally migrated instances because of midwest.social having performance/federation issues. But your account is younger than Trump first taking power in the US and putting loyalists in the US government, so…
This thread is making me lose brain cells.
Ho so?
So many bad takes.
Like what?
I try not to engage on politics here. Waste of my time and makes me just feel bad in general.
then why did you comment?
look, poland being carved up by the nazis and stalin is history. it’s not a bad take, it’s literally history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
the ML people are bonkers.
Because I didn’t think a short comment expressing my feelings would be such a big deal that multiple people come to complain about it.
Thanks for adding nothing.
No problem.
Sometimes a user’s views don’t align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.
I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities.
“echo chamber” haha thats rich comin from the lib servers 🤣
Surely you can disagree and say Russia is bad for invading places. Surely that’s not going to be removed, right?
Or say Stalin wasn’t perfect. Surely the modlog on .ml doesn’t have thousands of those comments removed.
I talk shit about every nation state. The only thing a nation state is good for is fielding an army.
the total USSR causalities were around 27 million, western allies casualties were a combined 1.7 million in all theaters.
calling it a ‘group effort’ does imply an equal contribution, which is what gets peoples hackles up.
The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem until it went away is largely to blame for their high casualties though. And without allied support they’d have lost even more.
The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem
that is just dehumanizing. the front was extremely brutal and most of the fighting and dying happened there as a result.
stalingrad was where things turned in 1942-1943, lend lease was arriving but was not exactly significant until after 1943. soviet commanders did acknowledge the value of the lend lease, but the way it’s been spun since then is like someone showing up to a group project late, doing a fraction of the work and trying to claim the spotlight afterwards.
that is just dehumanizing
The USSR was good at that
but the way it’s been spun since then is like someone showing up to a group project late, doing a fraction of the work and trying to claim the spotlight afterwards.
Sure, if you ignore North Africa, Western Europe, and the Pacific Theatre.
This whole “the US showed up late and claimed victory” narrative is just as stupid as acting like the USSR didn’t do anything.
Sure, if you ignore North Africa, Western Europe, and the Pacific Theatre.
27 million to 1.7 million losses in all theaters. the eastern front was 70-80% of the entire german war effort. The lend lease didn’t even arrive in significant amounts until after the battle for stalingrad.
the original comment you replied to that started this off was this:
they [the US] didn’t win wwii, the soviets did.
you have managed to really move the goalposts in your pity thread
The USSR having no concern for their own fighting men is not a plus towards this argument. Germany lost 3-4 million on that front. 3-4 million in comparison to 27 million shows that the Soviet strategy of throwing wave after wave of bodies was a bad strategy.
the 27 million includes approximately 16-19 million civilians who were systematically exterminated or died under occupation.
blaming soviet military strategies for those deaths is historically illiterate. the nazi invasion was explicitly genocidal in intent, those civilians weren’t casualties of soviet tactics.
Okay? That still doesn’t mean that the Soviets won the war singlehandedly, which is the argument that was being made. Around 11 million Soviet soldiers and sailors were lost. The only excuse for that is strategy. Losing 11 million to 4 million is , frankly, awful and the only reason they didn’t lose completely was that they had the numbers.
They also seem to mad that you pointed out Russia was on the Axis side originally and is acting like they were always on the Allied side.
thats just amerikkka rewriting history with their mass propaganda machine haha
Nazi’s*
Fixed that for you. America literally hired former Nazis to write the history of the eastern front and did so knowing over looking his intentional rewriting of history to whitewash both the Nazis in general in the eastern front, and the generals specifically (Blaming Hitler for military decisions with bad outcomes.)
No they didn’t. If a non-aggression pact allowing Nazi annexation of territory is equivalent to an alliance, then France and Britain allied with the Nazis multiple times before the Soviets. There is a reason about how the only non-aggression pact that you hear about is Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and not the Munich Agreements or the Franco-German Declaration, etc. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came out of the Soviets being turned down multiple times by France and Britain to forming an anti-fascist alliance.
This is the selective remembrance of appeasement. It is ignored that that encompassed many non-aggression pacts with the Nazis and is only remembered to selectively invoke for war hawking. If we say a nation is evil, than not being on board with a war of aggression is actually evil (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.) and you are just like Chamberlain, whose only motivation was being a pussy. You can discuss the morality or effectiveness, but Molotov-Ribbentrop was to try to delay the war for preparation and that the Nazis wouldn’t be stupid enough to start a war without their own oil and steel supplies and without preventing a possibility of a two front war with France/Britain, and the Soviets were caught flat-footed because of overestimating the rationality of the Nazis. There was also the worry that France and Britain might eventually join the Nazis since they were pretty vocal about fascism being a possible necessary evil as it is the most extreme form of anti-communism, even though the attempt of appeasement was trying to sit out an eventual war between the Nazis and USSR, since Judeo-Bolshevism was a thing Nazis believed before they even took power.
Britain didn’t invade a country and split it with the Nazis lmao. They were hardly good guys (just ask the Bengalis), but they didn’t form an offensive alliance with literally Hitler.
It’s a lie that USSR-Germany made any agreement to split Poland. USSR liberated it before Germany could take control of the east.
No, the USSR did agree to take Eastern Poland in Molotov-Ribbentrop, but they did wait until after the Nazis took the western part before starting their invasion. A combination of waiting to see if Poland could fight off the Nazis, meaning that they didn’t have to worry about further Nazi expansion, and after that moving the border west to provide more territory needing to be taken in an eventual war with Germany.
Secret protocol agreement may have existed, or the forgery backed up by 1990s Russia cozying up to west and joining Stalin derangement syndrome unanimity.
Still, the USSR did not encourage/applaud a nazi controlled Warsaw, and weather Germany could take entire country or not, would have been easier to buy tolerance for nazi controlled Warsaw. Requiring a defensive buffer proved prescient. “If you want a pact, accept us taking Warsaw”
“May have existed”?
Molotov himself inadvertently implied their existence numerous times in his conversations with Chuev (Molotov Remembers; Molotov-Chuev interviews between 1970-1986, published 1993).
Khrushchev acknowledged their existence in his memoirs, which nobody disputes the provenance of, and which were published in the West in the 1970s.
The CPSU itself acknowledged their existence at the end of 1989, and published their copy of the text in their official journal.
The literal Soviet documents, held by the General Department of the CPSU Central Committee, were located after the archives were declassified in 1992, and have since been published widely.
No party seems to dispute the existence of the secret protocols. If you have a single credible source that does, feel free to cite them.
Ok. Very likely existed. I was unaware of Kruschev/Molotov acknowledgements. Doesn’t affect modern nazi mischaracterization that pact, even with that compromise, constitutes any semblence of an alliance between the 2 powers.
