When I lived in India, I never voted, never felt like voting either because the options were far right corrupt goons or center right corrupt goons. And I believe it’s the same in US.
Now that I live in the Netherlands, I can vote for SP or Pirate Party or PvdA or Green Left. I actually have parties with whom my ideologies align and I can vote for what I feel. And I already did once.
The debate isn’t as black and white. In a system where electoral systems are relevant and reflect your beliefs sure go ahead and vote. But in places where this isn’t the case, I don’t see how voting is useful or fulfilling.
I don’t see much word about it so I’ll say: “Vote in primaries!” That way when the national elections show up, you’re not stuck with John Fascist and Jane Corporate. Don’t just wait for the big ones; vote for each election you can to make your voice fully heard.
Not to mention that there are more than one race in the ballot. Mine not only has state and county elections, but also municipal propositions.
Its a train heading for the cliff not a bus. Should still vote though.
Thank you, Serbia
Thank you, terror
Thank you, disillusionment!
Finally, we are aknowledged for our contribution to the world.
Now back to dennying warcrimes, and talking about how we actually built the piramids.
Oh yea and also, I voted them in, so if they suck, I’m doing something about it.
yea vote but don’t imagine that beat fascism. serbia and the rest of the world has a lot to achieve that the system fully changes
I would like to remind you the students got sound weapon’d, and there was an undertone of potential violence.
Also, our election system still was working, so not riggable.
There’s a reason why the founders of America excplicitly said that revolution not done peacefully, must be done through force. They knew, no matter how vague, just what sort of calamity was coming, because such things had struck every kingdom and nation before the US.
Unfortunately I don’t think America is really ready for a revolution and I also believe we’re still at a point where voting can genuinely make change.
Half the reason any of this shit is happening is because a black guy got elected president and then a bunch of women, and even some not white people too
The response has been this. It’s fear with a facade of power that you’re seeing.
Begging you motherfuckers to read Lenin and Rosa Luxembourg if you’re going to try to speak on the critiques of bourgeois dictatorship.
Voting in and of itself is completely pointless. What happened in Serbia happened because of a principled political movement organised and agitated for bettering their conditions. Under such circumstances voting is a useful tool to build upon momentum.
Saying “voting ended the regime” is like saying “voting killed the Tzar” or “voting instituted the civil Rights Act” or “voting decapitated Louis XVI” or “voting enacted womens suffrage”.
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Sure thing, 2 month old .ml account.
Ad hominem
Well said. Now instead of authoritarian neoliberalism they may get progressive neoliberalism for example. Just a different form of suffering. It solved a little.
Authoritarian is a nothing word describing every state and almost every organisation.
Neoliberalism is impossible without the enforcement of the state, thus there is no variant of neoliberalism that is not authoritarian.
Yes. It merely emphasizes that in a progressive vs “authoritarian” the state shifts to more executive power and kills off minority rights and such. Both are authoritarian by nature. Should find a different phrase maybe.
Consider the term “pinkwashing”, since a “progressive” neoliberal is just as willing to target minorities, if it is politically or economically expedient
If you’re trying to get rid of Walmarts in your neighbourhood then I think one of those options is much more effective.
I’m just saying, we have the power to start helping economically and socially oppressed people without relying on the government. I’m not asking you to firebomb a Walmart, I’m asking you to hide undocumented immigrants in your house or help them obtain firearms illegally if they require so they can start a militia, those crimes.
and then doesn’t hide undocumented immigrants in your house or help them obtain firearms illegally if they require so they can start a militia.
If you are hiding undocumented immigrants in your house or helping them illegally obtain firearms, please for the love of god don’t post about it on a public forum.
'Cause I literally cannot do those things because I’m about to be homeless. I have no income and cannot get a job because I’m too autistic and too trans and too traumatized for one. So I’m on a timer until my conservative abusive parents decide to rid of me (and they have threatened it multiple times). I rely on them for my survival, currently. I have type one diabetes, so it is likely if I am evicted that I will die shortly after from being unable to have access to insulin or other diabetes supplies reliably.
A friend bought be one vial of estradiol enanthate online through crypto and shipped it to me, so that’s nice, not much, but this is what I’m talking about.
Idk, this kinda stuff is like for working class people. My class is probably lumpenproletariat, I don’t have the resources to do much.
it honestly feels like a psyop at this point. in russia there was a particular focus on making people “apolitical”, which is a different direction but still was focused on reducing opposition turnout.
Read Aleksandr Dugin book and it all makes sense. It’s part of the geopolitical playbook.
Sowing Social Division: The book explicitly directs Russian operatives to introduce “geopolitical disorder” inside the U.S. by fueling racial, social, and religious polarization.
Exploiting the Democratic Process: While it doesn’t give a step-by-step guide to voter suppression, it encourages the promotion of isolationist and extremist political groups to break down faith in public institutions, media, and the democratic process itself.
I think Dugin gets too much credit, here’s a pretty good write-up from an outsider’s perspective. As a Russian, I think it’s one of the most accurate description of what’s been going on.
People on twitter be like “you think we need to change the system? That pales in effectiveness to my strategy, helping neoliberalis win elections” and then not win elections
I, too, remember when biden winning in 2020 ended trump and fascism.
errrm it didnt end it so it’s ineffective
alr bud
Image says the answer to the question “when did voting last end an authoritarian regime” is “two days ago”. I’m just pointing out that it didn’t end it. You added the “ineffective” part.
To be fair, it won’t be a full blown dictatorship until he takes a third term by force. Until then it’s just sparkling tyranny.
“Dictatorship” is not just a synonym for any unelected leader. Begging you people to learn what the words you use mean
Dictators can still be voted for, and many of them are through highly rigged elections. A burecrat is someone who’s appointed to a position of power, which’d be closer in alignment with that definition. Really I don’t think either term would apply here in good faith.
Oligarch is right there, but these people wanna misuse every term they hear.
There’s also plenty of people put in positions of power that aren’t classified as bureaucrats (like the Catholic clergy, a bunch of different regional administrators of the byzantine, latin and SEA Empires)
Thankfully we only live four to eight years at a time so I have no idea what you’re talking about
Yeah I think that’s what makes people so annoyed about the energy put towards voting. Like I don’t care if you vote. I’m not gonna. But do whatever. But I wish like 25% of the energy people put toward voting also went towards any of that other stuff. So it does annoy me a bit seeing all the vote blue no matter who stuff. Because I know they’re gonna go vote and pat themselves on the back and call it a day the vast majority of the time.
Sounds like something the “i dont vote” crowd thought up
I dont shower!
When was the last time showering prevented disease?
Even if you don’t think voting will fix everything, just remember that it won’t -hurt- anything. Just vote.
People voted for the democrats. The democrats did a genocide.
Voting can’t hurt!
Alright, then, we should vote for a socialist party, at least in local elections.
Go for it! Make your voice heard.
Alright I guess Im gonna vote for Trump since it cant hurt.
The eternal science of BadEmpanadaism Marxism Leninism Maoism Online-Trollism.
Slammer tier meme
If you are slammer then you have to tell me
I prefer not to answer.
Vote for me instead. Why choose the lesser evil?
Alright, can’t hurt.
It can work, but not always. cough Russia cough
And I am sure the Pedophile of the United States will find some way to throw the votes not in his favor out of the window.
Fuck yeah. ✊🏼
Ha, yeah, Serbia. 10% of US population, totally different political system. Quite the comparison, good luck with that.
We can’t even vote in term limits or universal healthcare (which Serbia has already)
I’ve voted, but know the game.
Show up to primaries then. Show up to local and state generals and primaries. Run for a small local office.
MAGA started winning when they started infesting the republican party at the lowest levels: running for school boards and city councils. It’s a well documented playbook they’ve discussed publicly. Convincing people not to engage with the process is literally handing them free wins.
The presidency is only as “powerful” as it currently is because of the legions of lower level positions that actively empower and enable it. Most presidents have very little real power, because that’s not how the US government was designed.
Go vote and stop doomposting if you didn’t vote in a primary.
I would have loved to have had a primary to have voted in. Most of the candidates here coneded before the primary even took place.
Time to do the non-electoral things that everyone else is mentioning: join a local political group. Create a voting bloc. Raise your own candidates. Call/email those presently in power. Encourage others to run.
Consider running yourself. Sounds like all you gotta do is show up and you can get a job.
engage in democracy. Boomers are right about one thing: freedom isn’t free, it’s earned. Not by bombing brown kids but by engaging with your government.
I’m trying. It would be a lot easier if I weren’t mentally ill, working long hours at a “low skill” job, and one bad month away from not having a place to live.
Sounds like all you gotta do is show up
Eh, not exactly. Just because the corporate DINO was unopposed in the non-primary, that doesn’t mean it’s a free seat.
Also most elected officials don’t make enough for it to be a job, not without another source of income. That’s why nearly everyone on the school board is retired or a stay-at-home spouse, you have to be wealthy to afford to do the job (not even considering how expensive running a campaign is).
Also, not a great choice for it (as mentioned - mentally ill). I doubt anyone will trust me to lead them, anyways.
Man, 40% of Americans chose Dementia Donnie actively, I don’t think mentally sound is a requirement anymore.
But I hear you, and I do empathize with the feeling of pissing into the wind. That’s why it’s important to keep everyone active and engaged. Send the DINO an email telling them what policies are important to you as a constituent. If they’re really a DINO then they’ll do whatever pivot they need to secure votes, so mass-email campaigns can be very effective.
And email your local party offices asking for better candidates and better primary policies. There are lots of ways to shape how you get candidates on the ballot that don’t require anything more than time.
If it were easy, it wouldn’t be called a fight. Stay strong, friend. Vote, post things outside your immediate information space, and do what you can where you can.
If somebody tells you not to vote, they’re voting for the other guy.
Sometimes they are just dumb. Yes, that dumb. They exist, they have communities on reddit and they ban you if you dare argue against their logic.
There’s communities here that ban you for arguing to vote too lol. I’d argue that’s far more common in lefty spaces than liberal ones.
Fortunately I haven’t seen those yet, maybe defederated?
They exist. I’ve seen arguments that voting is actually worse than not voting, regardless of who it is for.
I believe you, it’s not that far off from what some argue in popular communities. I even believe they think they are right. Crazy world.
It’s imaginary like the power of voting.
