Summary
Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.
Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.
During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.
The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.
Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?
The USA has shown over and over, it’s the only thing we take seriously. We don’t give a fuck until you have nukes. We don’t care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just “how can we take advantage of you?”
Also … World, I understand you’re not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.
As an American,
It’s too hard. Yeah, we understand the required specs, but the precision machines and rare ores are internationally monitored. Tom Clancy’s The Sum of All Fears was eye opening as to what the terrorists had to go through to make a single bomb. And it fizzled into a “normal” atom bomb.
And I’m not even talking about the experts involved, a physics degree ain’t gonna get it. The precision machining for the tooling alone is mind blowing, then you gotta fab the actual parts. Again, you’re not getting people like that in a room with a LinkedIn ad, and it would be noticed, very noticed, if you tried.
Now if you want to skip 3-stage hydrogen bombs and just roll an atom bomb, still tough, but much more doable.
tl;dr: The nuclear powers would come down on you like a ton of bricks if a country even tried starting a program. See: Iran.
See Pakistan.
Shit can work out. Russia has plenty of peeps looking for seedy revenue streams
What you say feels right, and it is breaking my heart
Prof. John Mearshmeyer have been talking about great power’s expansionism and it’s relation to nuclear armament since at least 2015.
Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.”
So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn’t do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire(Ceasefire, my bad) would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.
Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes
I mean at this point all that’d be left is the IAEA, and the US’s nuclear inspectors are probably all fired by now so yeah sure what’s stopping them?
What is SeasFire?
A ceasefire?
Oof. That’s a hell of a case of “bone-apple tea” if I’ve ever heard one. It undermines the credibility of the whole comment.
Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin
And his most heroic act was not punching the old fart in the teeth
I imagine it would be quite cathartic
He’s not a hero lol
Most people would have taken the ride offer out of Kiev in 2022. That alone made him a hero. This new incident just adds even more to his hero status
Edit: Not you specifically, just in general.
Yeah, because we learned that if you don’t counter trolls some people will believe every goddamn word they say and then vote the trolls into office.
Counter argue with someone, sure. But pushing gruel into the troll never changes the troll, it just makes you more bitter.
You’re not trying to change the troll—you’re showing the onlookers that the troll is an idiot.
He’s not a hero lol
He is a hero lol
lol if you honestly believe that, that’s ur issue
lol if you honestly don’t believe that, that’s ur issue
Yeah I’ll believe that sitting in the house I own. Go pay rent
Wait, are you upset your favourite orange sack of shit is the laughing stock of the world, while Zelenskyy is unanimously praised?
Aw.
lol then go move to Ukraine if you wanna suck him so badly dawg
I know that’s very natural for you to go around sucking off every man with a raised voice, but I’m not a republican, I don’t do that. Thanks for the offer, you do you.
Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
He’s far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024
“In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers”
Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law
Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia
Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics
The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]
Recruitment of prisoners
Implementation
It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]
On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a “hidden mobilization.” According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, “Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war.”[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the “only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that.”[96]
Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others
In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.
So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?
Didn’t like, every country do the draft in WW2 and it was barely enough to defeat the Nazis?
And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.
America is an enemy to freedom, democracy, and peace to the world; Americans just haven’t felt it yet.
They will soon when the dictatorship turns violent, after all checks and balances are removed.
Transgender Americans and other minority groups are feeling it for sure. It’s just not the white suburban traditional family Americans who have felt the pinch yet (aside from the price of eggs).
Yeah, as i canadian I hope the petition is signed to allow trans folk to claim refugee status goes somewhere
As an American, We felt it the first time he was in office. And Bush, and so many other times before. This time is different. It’s unhinged and there’s no end in sight. And the scary part is that a large portion of people here apparently WANTED this. Some of them are silent now, some are attempting to amp it up further and no one I know that voted for this feels any thing is wrong.
There are changes being made on a whim with an axe that will take decades or longer to be rectified and lots that never could be. I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country I live in as I do now and I know it will get worse… much worse. Buckle up folks, it’s going to be a bump ride and Disney didn’t write this tale so there’s no happily ever after.
And I’m reminding everyone to GO VOTE!
I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country
Most intelligent and decent people are ashamed or embarrassed of the U.S. today.
There are those of us that feel it. We have felt it. We pleaded for people to vote for Harris. We tried to tell people how serious the situation was. It didn’t matter.
Then he cut off all aid to Ukraine for rebuilding their power grid.
Yup, i saw that too. What a fucking petulant child
A petulant child *operating at the behest of a foreign dictator. This whole Stupid Show he’s put on around Ukraine has proven he has Putin’s dick so far up his ass that it does all the talking for him.
Yes 100% I never questioned that part!
You’ll never convince your typical Trump voter that it’s true is the main fucking issue though.
I don’t think you have to. Plenty of them see Putin as the “strong leader” they want.
Krasnov performed exactly as his master, Putin, instructed. The Russians have landed - in the White House.
Shows his worst self
His honest self
which is just the worst.
His only self, even.
There is no other self. This is what he is.
No he is showing us exactly who we know him to be a piece of human shit.
Hey man, I dropped a log this morning that was 12" long and 1.5 inches thick.
That motherfucker was a majestic bastard.
I wouldn’t even put Trump in the same league as the skidmark that was left behind by this veritable ring-buster.
How he was able to raise his voice with Putins needle dick pushed up against his tonsils is quite impressive.
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“Peace deal” means surrender now, don’t join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.
TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.
So word is that the more the US mistreats Z, the more the European people like him, and want to support him. So this was probably a great outcome fir them. The deal offered was very one sided. Had Z just not taken it, people would blame him. But now, everyone knows who to blame.
I understand you mean Zelenskyy, but you are using Russian dog whistles, by referring to him as Z. Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.
Tagged, and watching to see who you are. Especially with that extremely sus UN.
Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.
This is the first time I hear that, do you have any source?
All I know about “Z” and Russia is they used it to mark some of their divisions early in the war, and it later became a rallying sign for them, for supporting that same war and Putin. So quite the favorable thing for them, even if it’s used only in war propaganda.
I don’t think there are sources as this is more of a slang, but saying “someone is Z” has been synonymous of saying someone is Russia aligned.
I never seen it used in the context that the OP is describing
Example: https://youtu.be/zVH2UUR09HQ
I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.
He probably fired quite a few bullets, but I get you.
The US won the cold war actually.
It’s just that they now somehow manage to loose after having already won.
It’s been a while since I’ve gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.
Honestly. I’ve never been more ashamed. I wish I could help end this shit, ya know?
Organize against Trump. Donate to the Ukrainian military. Take the streets.
“Ohhh I’m so ashamed, but whatever can we do??” I’m sick of hearing it.
This is disgraceful and would’ve never happen in the old days. On the other hand, I even appreciate the public show of arguing before plainly betraying an ally. Like what we did with Gaddafi or Hussein. That was some cold -blooded bully shit.
Same. What an awful day to be a sane American.
I’m already seeing the memes about Trump and Vance dominating zelenski or flat out turning this event into a joke rather than keeping it as the shit show it is. They move fast
Lol imagine being a Russian and seeing the “Evil West” siding with your leader. Must be a confusing time… 🤣
They love Trump, because their oligarchs and their puppets have regularly praised him on Russian state TV since 2016. So no, no confusion. They know Trump works for them.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tv-praises-trump-putin-1740156
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-trump-putin-hegseth-2030562
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/09/493289326/donald-trumps-long-embrace-of-vladimir-putin
He’s not the boss even in his home
Remind me what Trump’s Russian asset code name is?
Ah yes, President Krasnov.
King Krasnov
FTFY
He reminds me of the president of Belarus too. That’s not good for the future of America.
What an abhorrent example of humanity they both are and what an embarrassment to the world this is.
I’m assuming you mean Trump and Vance.
Ha! Given the insanity of this interview, I didn’t think I needed to clarify.
You shouldn’t, but check out this Politico article started with:
Russian leaders cheered after President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance dealt Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a brutal smackdown in the Oval Office Friday
It’s amazing how we see a petulant man-child throwing a fit and they see “a brutal smackdown”. The propaganda is evident.
Another right wing propaganda:
These people are absolutely fucking insane.
If you look on ground news you can see all the different ways this was covered by news media. They’re all pretty fucked up to be honest, but surprisingly, there is some right-wing media covering it in a more sane way.
(This is not a paid ad I just like ground news)
