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It kind of reminds me of Terminator 2; where its essentially the exact same story is T1 except this time the previous bad guy is the good guy.
It might work this time!
Wars are fought by people. Everyone who doesn’t to end blown up somewhere in a trench in an inter imperialist struggle should be antiwar. Stop fucking beating the drums of war, we need to prevent WW3 from happening, and it’s not too late to do so.
Stop cheering for military expenditure, stop electing fascist politicians in Europe, stop buying into war propaganda. We can avoid this war. Do not condemn yourself or your loved ones to passing through the meat grinder, your government doesn’t give a fuck about human rights or abour your life.
Military expenditure is how you avoid war. You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong? Bizarre… Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure, or at least not the far right parties, they are pro russia.
Military expenditure is how you avoid war
Surely giving more money to the lobbyists of Rheinmetall will make Europe much less likely to go to war!!
You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong?
I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia, as was the case for the past 30 years until EU+US pushed NATO boundaries to Russia and started executing Maidans in the former Russian sphere of influence. That’s not to absolve the Russian government, they’re fascist imperialist pieces of shit, but my point is that so is Europe (e.g. funding genocide in Gaza), and I don’t want another inter-imperialist war like WW1
Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure
But you’re willing to increase it even at risk of them getting to the government
I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia
That’s pretty much France and especially Germany’s playbook for Russian relations for the past few decades though. It seemed to work well until it suddenly didn’t, so we’re gonna have to try the other way
Russia didn’t attack the EU though?
Sure, it only attacked its neighbor for committing the cardinal sin of trying to get into the EU and being afraid of Russia’s expansionism.
The EU funded genocide in Palestine for committing the cardinal sin of existing though, what’s your point? Russia surely sucks, so does Europe, I don’t wanna fucking die in the front lines and neither do you, so stop warmongering
Oh wow you actually believe what you are saying, this is sad. EU was exceedingly friendly with Russia for the last 30 years, until the war happened. And no, this was not because NATO was pushing boundaries, this is nonsense. Crazy that you actually believe this.
“My side of government propaganda is right, the other side is wrong”. Get a grasp at geopolitics
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Oh you spoke in Latin, hence you must be right!
I want peace, which is why I will push for negotiations and peace agreements between Russia and Europe (and probably the US seeing their tendencies)
Peace is a cooperative effort. Warfare can be conducted unilaterally. Unless you can stop him on his terms, what you want is completely irrelevant to the negotiations.
The meaning behind that Latin aphorism predates civilization. It is the reason so many herbivorous animals evolved horns or antlers.
Your entire argument is “diplomacy doesn’t exist”. It’s not particularly solid
You don’t get to talk to Putin’s ambassador until you have a plan to deal with his general.
And what are you going to push for when Russia breaks those agreements?
Judging by his statement, @AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com would want more “peace” negotiations.
Yes, I would want more honest peace negotiations. What’s wrong with peace negotiations?
You cannot make peace with someone that wants to annex you, control you or genocide you. Do you say the same to beaten wives so they don’t divorce their husband?
Come on now. Let’s not pretend there aren’t limits to negotiation with a violent person that refuses to stop being violent. No matter how many times you tell them, “No no, bad, baaaad! Killing baad! Genocide baaad!” To reform them, if they keep doing it: They have no respect for you and respect, last I checked, is a mutual two way street.
In such cases, the bully (murderer in this case) needs to be checked in the guts hard enough to submit, because that bully doesn’t want to change and since we can’t imprison the damn psychopath and he refuses to stop, teaching him a lesson will have to happen sooner or later.
Edit: Dunno what happened below me, I woke up too late to see 😅
After the aggressor has invaded your country twice?
Presupposing that the “evil country” will break agreements isn’t good praxis in diplomacy. There would never be deescalation and diplomacy otherwise.
Russia is currently breaking the agreements made after they annexed Crimea.
I’ll also leave this paragraph here for no particular reason
“In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these [nukes] to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.”
Being anti war when Russia is around is essentially the same thing as being pro Russia, because they’re willing and able to use violent force to get what they want, and if you’re not willing to defend yourself, you will be subjugated.
It reminds me of an old Polish joke:
A Pole finds a magic lamp, strokes it, and a genie comes out.
“I will grant you three wishes. They can be anything your heart desire.”
"I wish for the Mongols to invade Poland!’
“Ok? It is done”
The Mongol hordes sweep through Poland, ransack the country, then go back the way they came.
“I am ready for my second wish. I want the Mongols to invade Poland again!”
“Are you sure? I can give you anything your heart wishes.”
“Yes. I am sure”
The Mongols come again, do some more pillaging, and return home.
“And now for my third wish. I want the Mongol hordes to invade Poland a third time.”
“Are you really sure?”
“Yes.”
“Okay. Before I grant you your wish, would you mind explaining me why you would want that not once but thrice?”
“It’s very simple: Whenever the Mongols come to Poland they have to cross Russia twice!”
Haha russophobia funi
As long as russia keeps invading countries it has no business being in, it is extremely funny.
You could apply that to most EU countries though? Colonialism in Africa, invasion of Iraq, support of the US in Afghanistan, bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, funding the genocide in Gaza… What makes the EU better? I just happen to live in Europe and I want to push MY government towards peace negotiations because it’s the one I can affect
How many of these are active missions? The Special Military Operation was only supposed to take 3 days, but it’s still going on.
Or do you simply have a case of «А у вас негров линчуют»? No one’s excusing their own country’s atrocities simply by attacking Russia’s ongoing atrocity.
yankees get very mad when you make a similar point about drone striking east asia
It’s more of a Polish grudge funny though.
Poland has a bit of a history with Russia too.
Surely Poland has been in an unlucky position between the empires of western Europe and the former Russian Empire, then again it has the same historical problems with Germany and I don’t see Polish people making racist jokes against the country that committed genocide in their territory.
I wasn’t aware Russian was a race.
And if you knew anything about history you’d understand why Poland feels particularly strongly towards Russia.
Germany made amends and stopped the warmongering. Russia has demonstrated that they will not.
It isn’t that complicated.
I really don’t see what’s racist about Russia in that joke. If someone’s the butt of that joke it’s the Polish who’s willing to hurt themselve just to get back at Russia.
And there are loads of Polish jokes about Germans.
“An unlucky position” that’s putting it mildly.
It’s not racist. People forget “Russian” is a nationality, not a race. Russia isn’t just populated by Slavs (much to the chagrin of Putin, I assume).
Imho discriminating against a nationality is still racism. e.g. WW2 anti-japanese racism in the US.
Russia has a very colonial attitude toward its non slavic citizens.
Learn the difference between xenophobia and racism, please. The difference matters for proper discussions of different topics that pertain to discrimination in general and you are clearly confusing both of them in your weak attempt at accusing someone of behaviour they never displayed while they explained a joke that is rooted in historical context.
More to the point, (as you said) being against Russian dictatorship policies and historical atrocities is neither xenophobia nor is it racism.
Everyone with a functioning frontal lobe knowns the Russian people are mostly helpless under a dictatorship that practices putting opposition (civil or political) in gulags, but one cannot just “lay down and take it” if the Russians come for them, just because you pity their situation. Criticizing dictatorships is of utmost importance, feelings be damned.
Edit: Post locked… Anyways, my point was that the joke is not racist and is rooted in history. Humour in that case is used to criticize the history of Russia’s various dictatorships and atrocities. Nothing wrong with the joke. I did mean to reply to you; so that people understand the differences between xenophobia and racism and how the joke is within important historical context, therefore is neither.
Maybe it’s the difference in Germany’s behavior and allyship towards Poland since the transgressions. Maybe Russia has not acted in a reconciliatory way towards Poland, maybe perhaps they’ve still behaved as an adversary, while Germany has taken accountability and joined a strategic alliance against the same Russian aggression that unapologetically continues to threaten Poland’s sovereignty
This is so funny. I just told my wife, who’s Ukrainian, this joke and she burst out laughing.
Also, as Canadians. We wish there were mongol hordes we could get to invade us, through the US.Mongols. Mongols would need to cross both Russia and US.
The US really is just this hateful polish guy. A solid 35% of americans would happily raze our own country than let one poor person have a subsidized lunch.
Poland has been pouring everything into their military, they are VERY ready for this to all go sideways. I can’t blame them.
Their next cavalry charge towards enemy tanks is almost ready!
Can we call humans riding other humans or donkeys cavalry?
Yeah they have a history of things going sideways around them given the location
Also the location of Poland was going sideways multiple times in history
Honestly, if they’d finessed their phrasing a little, that could have been a really good answer.
Yeah they phrased it pretty badly, at least from an English pov, don’t know how good the translation is.
Good.
If it were up to me i would have only 3 conditions to allow poland go wild towards vladivostok
- Please have a winged hursar blow a horn to signal the attack (would be cool)
- Invite germany and france to tag along
- Dont take Königsberg for yourself but you may kick out the russians there <3
Germany starts world war 3
The rest of the world: “how do we keep falling for this?”
Everyone loves a good heel-face turn though
First John Cena then Germany
John Cena would be the US in this example. Sudden unexpected face-heel turn
“Ww3 this time we’re the good guys!” Smaller print “We’ve double checked and had it put in writing.”
The only requirement to be a good guy is to win.
You know the US is not the “entire western world” right?! I think venezuela would be against it for example.
Pretty sure the US is an ally of Russia now anyways.
I know its a joke but just to note: I’d love to see Germany “march through Poland” given the poor state of Germany’s armed forces. As it is rn, Poland alone could most likely reach Russia’s heart in a couple of weeks of conventional warfare and debilitate Russian critical infrastructure long before that. Barring nukes of course, which is basically all the Kremlin would have to hang on to in a full out direct confrontation given just how incompetent their armed forces have proven to be.
That just means we need to give Poland nukes
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Wait, did people start doing parkour outside windows without previous training again?
I’ll have you know that we are perfectly capable to march through allied territory… as long as they have well developed infrastructure
…which complicates marching through Germany
True
Amazing trains you got in Germany :p
The trains are great, everything else around them not so much
Deutschland über alles!
This would be much more concerning if they hadn’t so thoroughly stamped out fascism. What’s the alternative for Germany?
Fascism is back on the rise there, unfortunately.
I thought my little AfD reference at the end would give me away.
I thought it was clear
Thoroughly?
Supporting companies? … <cough>
I think the widespread political “unwavering support” for a nation committing Genocide, which is justified by the ethnicity of the people of that nation, kinda shows that some part of Fascism (the whole “people’s race is what matters the most and some races are better than others”) hasn’t at all been stamped out.
Then there’s AfD which is just taking the “if it’s good to support them because of their race, then it’s good to support us” step closer to Fascism.
Germany is far closer to a certain philosophy anchored on classifying one’s fellow human being as worthy or unworthy depending on race than one would like to believe (certainly, I liked to believe before the political reaction there to whole Gaza thing made it too obvious to deny) - the symbols were made illegal whilst the spirit lives.
stamped out fascism
Alternative for Germany (Deutschland)
🤭…
💀…
Fascism was never stamped out. Wall street supported it heavily and now they fully control the us political and military machine. We came full circle. The nazi’s didnt loose the war their ideology infected those with control today. Central banks funded the third reich and those same financial institutions are still empowered and playing a part today. War and genocide / eugenics is a part of their business model.
If only there were a list of names… and addresses…
Hey, hey psst… if you need some… wink wink, nudge nudge
Ugh why is it that they always resemble root vegetables?
Behold: the Master Race
Not totally. Fascism did take over 20% of the vote in last month’s election.
I can’t tell if that’s a lucky coincidence or a reference, but the Alternative for Germany (AfD) are the biggest voices in support of fascism in Germany, and they just won 20% of the seats in parliament. Luckily, even the CXU won’t form a coalition with them yet, so they will hopefully not have much impact on things.
Ironically, the AfD doesn’t want to militarize against Russia (but don’t be too reassured, they do want to reinstate mandatory conscription and militarize generally, just not against daddy Putin)
AfD is a nazi party. With tied to Blood and Honor, Proud Boys, constantly yelling nazi quotes, nazi saluting in private and small meetings, copying their rethoric and imagin aso
Germany was never fully denazified. There’s a reason the New Left in Germany was so militant. Kiesinger was in the Nazi Party!
Yeah the Schreibtischnazis and industrial-nazis never got punished. And not to speak of east germany who employed SS and Gestapo members in their StaSi
East Germany was denazified to a much higher degree than west Germany. Half of the fucking embassies of West Germany were run by Nazis, and some NATO generals literally took part in the SS. Soviets lost 25 million lives to Nazism, they were much, much more stringent with Nazism than western Europe.
The alternative is to not build a giant army and use the money in something more useful that will benefit germans and humanity
And whenever Russia wants some land it’s just handed over?
Only if you believe the government and a bunch of corrupted politicians who never fought a war will save you.
That’s a very poor understanding of geopolitics. Giving more money to Rheinmetall to lobby European politicians will SURELY not decrease the possibility of war in the EU.
Ukrainians: “the Germans are here to liberate us from the Russian yoke. And they actually mean it this time!”
Same nazis as they were
I am ok if Europe wants to send troops to Canada to defend against the real enemy—the United States.
I’ll come to defend the indiginous people from Canadians stealing and polluting their land.
*Occupied States
If it comes to it, there won’t be a conventional battle. We will take them out from within.
In the wise words of the Arrogant Worms, “We’ll take a boat to Washingtooooooon! And burn the White House twice!”
As an American I fully support this. We don’t want to invade Canada either. Just the Orange Idiot and his bootlickers.
I was going to joke “I’ll send y’all intel,” but now I’m seriously considering if my country will use that statement against me some day.
I am joking NSA/DOGE, of course.
I don’t want intel, AMD is better imo.
Too late the van is already on its way
USA = U Stand Alone.
As an American, I stand for this. You’ll never see me fight any country besides the enemy within the US.
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“The hammer is my penis”
I call it the gavel sometimes, especially when I am in robes
Ahh polandball. I missed these
These always remind me that I’m a dumb American.
We can stand to be roasted more then a little bit.
That may help us with our fat problem. I hear heat renders fat into liquid grease…
You hear? You have to experience it. Roasting isn’t just good for meat, it’s great for a lot of veggies… and arrogant assholes too!
The irony being that Poland doesn’t have border controls towards Germany, but Germany has illegal border controls towards Poland though.
Just because almost every party decided to go full populist “Screw the people and the economy, there might be Muslim terrorists in Poland”
Assuming the internet exists in the future…
It’s a bold assumption.
I work almost entirely on things that use/need the Internet, and I know enough about how it all works that… The Internet existing in the future, is not guaranteed. At all.
Same… it’s a weird space to be in mentally.
