This is a leave a guy in the middle of a desert moment.
Shitposting is just pretending to be stupid/racist/shitty for laughs/attention, right? Pretty low form of humor, if you ask me (no one did), but I’m also guessing a lot of shitposters aren’t just pretending.
I like a laugh as much as the next person, but we can’t sit around going “Why are people in this country so fucking stupid/racist/shitty?” while simultaneously elevating “acting” stupid to some high form of humor. You see how that’s counterproductive, right?
“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.” - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
“Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.” - Jason Garrett-Glaser
I don’t think it is that people are saying shitposting is a higher form of humor, but that it requires a level of trust that you know the people you’re shitposting with know you and know you’re joking. Lack of that leads to your second quote.
That’s totally fair, and I agree with you. I probably shouldn’t have used the phrase “high form of humor”. I more meant “worthwhile form of humor”. Even that doesn’t really encapsulate what I mean.
I don’t know. It can be hard to separate brainrot from intelligent comedy, and I laugh at both, myself. I’m not the comedy police or anything, I just don’t want to end up here:
Isn’t this a group chat between friends though, so its not an open community where actual idiots are free to just join it.
I play a lot of games that include genocide, like Rimworld, Stellaris, Drox Operative 2, Factorio. That doesn’t mean I am actually going to go out and commit one.
One, nah. Two, you missed the ex getting her privacy violated by OP sharing her texts in the chat.
Tbh this whole thing lacks sufficient context. The guy is probably diminishing what he did, so may well be a bellend. But we don’t really have enough information.
In the 90s, calling yourself a flat earther was a opportunity to have a fun and yet silly conversation about belief in science. During that time, both people KNEW that the earth was round. It was an exercise in creativity and played straight for laughs.
But somewhere in the 2000, some people didn’t realize the satire. They actually BELIEVED in it.
There’s a line of shitposting like with anything.
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
Then there’s actual shitty people who don’t realize that the good shit posts harm nobody. Where shitty people posting disgusting racist things under the guise of Shitposting are too stupid to understand the nuance.
This commenter said it best:
To the people who think what OP did was completely normal and something everyone does, (and I hate to use this phrase) check the “ratio” here. Nobody thinks this is normal. You and OP are in the slim minority spewing vile shit about people in your lives. It’s cruel and childish. You’d be smart to learn from OP’s predicament before you find yourself in the exact same situation with everyone you know hating you because you thought it was perfectly normal to constantly trash talk them behind their back. It’s not normal. Not everyone is doing it. Assholes like OP and apparently yourself are doing it. And it clearly can bite you in the ass. As I said in my initial comment, these kinds of things can have serious real world consequences. So you may wanna wise up and start being a respectable human being ;)
Shitposting is an art. It’s satire.
I might get cooked for this but it’s just not.
As a person who has been shit posting for at least a decade at this point, 99% of shit posting is either just saying something stupid on purpose or being a cunt to someone.
“Shitposting is an art” is some shit a dweeb says online to make themselves look interesting because “I like to say dumb shit for attention” sounds a lot worse.
Like sure, sometimes it’s funny to be a cunt to someone online (within reason) but let’s not pretend it’s something profound.
Furthermore, the fact that it’s not something profound but just dumbass behavior done for laughs is the reason it can be misunderstood by honest dumbasses.
I’ll defend shitposting here, because I think you’re simplifying it a bit too much.
Shitposting is so much more than “saying dumb stuff for shits n’ giggles”. First of all, as with anything else, there are good and bad shitposts. A good shitpost usually contains a solid undertone of irony or sarcasm. An important part of the humour is not just in “being dumb” it’s about using a statement that is dumb in a very specific way in combination with a specific context in order to create something funny.
Furthermore, a good shitpost uses exaggeration in a good way. The reader should preferably be “lured into” the post, not realising it’s a shitpost, before the notch is turned to 11 revealing that it was a shitpost. This adds an extra layer of humor and social commentary: The fact that the post at first seems believable forces you to recon with what kind of things you would actually believe someone could write. It also makes the target of the humor clear.
Shitposting may not be high art, but calling it “just being a cunt to someone” is missing the mark. “Just being a cunt to someone” is exactly that, and it’s not shitposting.
-fig 1 dweeb online tries to make it deeper than it is
- fig 2 Accurate illustration of “just being a cunt to someone”
Legit, what do you want my response to be to that.
My whole argument was that internet people think shit posting is something profound but it’s just shitposting.
Maybe I should have posted a crying wojak saying it so it’s Real Shitpost™ Art certified.
To be fair, I didn’t expect you to respond at all, and really just wanted to point out that calling a stranger you know nothing about a “dweeb” in response to something they wrote is a prime example of “just being a cunt to someone”. You didn’t need to respond, but you chose to do so by being a cunt.
Regardless, I think you missed some of the sarcasm in what I was writing (which, in hindsight, isn’t very clear). My point isn’t that shitposting is some form of high art. It’s that it’s a form of humor that amounts to more than saying provocative stuff or being a cunt. At it’s best, a shitpost can even contain some social commentary in the same way as caricatures can. Of course, as with all other humor, there are plenty of bad shitposts out there too, which are often just trolls trying to stir up shit.
We become who we pretend to be.
Great failure of Pauline (🤡🤡🤡🤡) discourse: actions don’t matter, only faith. Bitch nothing in your head matters, only what you do is consequential. Motherfucker destroyed Christianity before it even had a chance get started
That’s me! Cringe and proud.
Still not sure whether OP is Pete Hegseth.
If I had to explain some of my in-group chats, it would be complicated and awkward, but not life-destroying.
I think my saved memes are 50/50 funny and concerning
The thing is, on Lemmy these are pretty normal… but for my very conservative grandma who hardly understands what a lesbian is…
Im pretty sure that pipeline meme is depicting my nibling.
What’s a nibling?
Gender nuetral term for offspring of my sibling.
Thank you!
Not to disrespect if that’s what your relative prefers, but nibling is actually the gender neutral for niece/nephew. Sibling is already gender neutral as sister/brother are the gendered terms.
that’s what they said, offspring of sibling
Did you just “actually” me without reading my comments? Go back and try again, this time assume I used the exact words I meant to use.
Yeah I misread it, I’m not sure such an aggressive response was warranted but thank you for letting me know.
What’s the first one?
Scissoring (a common sesbian lex position)
But why the Bible idk what reference?
A reference to the „biblically accurate angel“ meme, which is a bit hard to describe so I recommend just looking it up at seeing the pictures to get the reference
Biblically accurate angles are nightmare fuel.
Angels described in the bible aren’t people with pretty bird wings. They are oscillating, intersecting ribbons of eyes and feathers, pulsing and shifting and glowing.
Here is an example:
…in movies
You just concentrated 4 top tier shitposts into a single comment.
Well.
Depends on how fash the US turns for me
just dont admit to them?
Me and my buddy have the nuke thing going. Mutually assured destruction 😎
Wow this must be the biggest group text leak ever.
I can hardly even imagine one that’s worse
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Derek sounds like a real one. That poster lacks so much situational awareness they’d fall into an open manhole like in a cartoon.
If my group chats got leaked they would just think we were all idiots who love vehicles and watching people get hurt or make really dark jokes.
Nothing really personal other than always posting really cringe crap and then tagging someone who we know it’ll piss off and telling them that it reminded us of them.
Yeesh
Somebody would manage to take offense. No doubt in my mind.
My leaked group chats are just messages of me abusing emojis and and reusing memes from 10 years ago
Disappearing messages people!
Can’t have my group chats leaked if I don’t have any!
Thanks for that comparison :(
Sorry, I’m 100% sure you are a much better person than Musk.
Friends can be hard.
I saw your comment and though of this meme I saw in a thread about the Signal group chat about bombing people in Yemen.
Violating someone’s privacy doesn’t suddenly become OK just because they’re a shitty person…
Indeed, just like being a bad person is not fine if you keep your bad behavior private.
If you find out that someone cheated on their wife, do you have to keep it private to protect the cheater’s “privacy”?
Maybe it’s better if that person’s wife knows the truth.
Obviously that’s different
I think it’s pretty comparable. The guys in the OP are getting mad at Derek but they’re the ones who said bad things in the first place. Their actions caused this. All Derek did was let people know the truth, and maybe it’s good when people know the truth.
Yikes, you really can’t see the difference between cheating on your partner and telling very inappropriate jokes?
In both cases you have a person doing something that many people would consider bad. Then this person gets mad when others find out about their behaviour. If you don’t want people to find out you did something, maybe just don’t do it in the first place.
True, but it is oh so satisfying when bad things happen to shitty people. Especially people finding out the true depth of their shitty. Even more satisfying when they complain about it.
Yes, those private texts should have stayed private
Agreed
I meant the ones they shared in the group, not their digital burn book
I know. I still agree.
“But it was private because I sent it to my 10 shitty friends!” 😭😭😭😭😭
What a bad dichotomy.
It’s not the same as “violating someone’s privacy” because that implies that these people shared something deliberately with someone they trusted, that wasn’t the case, this was stupid people posting shitty, hateful, vindictive or exploitative material in a semi-open space and not being careful about who they invite in. Fuck them, they deserve this lesson.
Things shitty people say when they get caught
Derek sounds like a cool guy.
derek sounds like a dick.
What you do in private does not necessarily reflect who you are in public. And who you are in public, does not necessarily reflect who you are in private either.
Realistically I don’t think we have enough information to judge fairly. The person is probably minimising what they did, and if that is the case may well have deserved it. But we don’t actually know what was said.
that is true, but i think this is a definite “everybody sucks” type of post.
I’m also not sure that derek needed to leak this either, especially going back like 5 years, that’s pretty unhinged. Even a “yeah i don’t like those guys i joined the group chat and it was 💀” is going to be enough to clue most people in.
That is possible too, it depends what was said.
- Hey guys check out this slut I just shagged all night!
- Started talking to this girl. Here is the chat, what should I say?
- Just started using Tinder, matched with this girl. Meeting her tonight!
yeah, it could be literally any flavor. It’s hard to know form the context provided.
lmfao what a fucking excuse of a reason. i hope you know i hate you. not hyperbole. i hope everyone else knows i hate you too. like genuinely, and actually; blatantly being a terrible person like you are is a large part of what is wrong with the world and i despise every single one of you chucklefucks that inches us ever further away from common decency, day by day. life isnt some fucking game.
do you recognize you’re doing olympic level mental gymnastics throughout these comments in order to make the people you identify with in the internet story the good guys or are you just incredibly dense and/or like fucking with people for kicks?
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i despise every single one of you chucklefucks that inches us ever further away from common decency, day by day.
i hope you know i hate you. not hyperbole. i hope everyone else knows i hate you too. like genuinely, and actually
Calm down and look in the mirror. You’re part of the problem
no actually, i’m done sitting and acting like that sort of shit is acceptable, no thanks.
paradox of tolerance demands you completely and decisively shut these fucks down before they takeover your society with their shitty ass rhetoric of hate. i’d rather it begin and end here on a dinky little internet forum than 15 years down the line in another gettysburg. i won’t aid and abet in the breakdown of common norms and decency, as you so kindly suggested.
Paradox of tolerance demands nothing, it is a concept that suggests some level of intolerance is required to protect overall tolerance. I don’t think it even applies here since those guys weren’t being intolerant, just despicable among themselves.
Methinks you picked that up as a buzzword to indicate and justify any time you think intolerance is called for, which is unnecessary in this case because they’re just being vile assholes that you can choose to scorn.
nope. i know what i said and i meant it.
they start like this. then they become shitty, abusive incels in adulthood. then they vote for people like the cadre of neofascist in western politics rn.
the incel to fascist pipeline is real and dangerous. and i won’t act like those who fall down it are victims and not complicit monsters anymore.
i know what i said and i meant it.
Then you’re just wrong, sorry sporto
bro holy shit i just stated my opinion and i’m being nuremberg’d now lmao.
I agree with your sentiment, but common decency has never existed. I hope you realize that
this is a fair point, i don’t disagree. it’s valid to call me out on conflating ideas of common decency with absolute morality.
that said, there are certain things that if you do; definitely make you a bad person. i think to the recently viral tweet of the ivy league ethics & philosophy professor who was absolutely aghast at incoming students’ ideas of morality. it speaks to the problem in this thread.
Gonna share this again.
This commenter said it best:
To the people who think what OP did was completely normal and something everyone does, (and I hate to use this phrase) check the “ratio” here. Nobody thinks this is normal. You and OP are in the slim minority spewing vile shit about people in your lives. It’s cruel and childish. You’d be smart to learn from OP’s predicament before you find yourself in the exact same situation with everyone you know hating you because you thought it was perfectly normal to constantly trash talk them behind their back. It’s not normal. Not everyone is doing it. Assholes like OP and apparently yourself are doing it. And it clearly can bite you in the ass. As I said in my initial comment, these kinds of things can have serious real world consequences. So you may wanna wise up and start being a respectable human being ;)
my only disagreement is that unfortunately they’ve succeeded in pushing the overton window so hard that the ratio is actually much more controversial than the comment implies. if only every edgelord here read and seriously considered this person’s reply.
damn bro, that’s crazy.
Unfortunately i will sleep well knowing that i don’t engage in shitty behavior with people, and that i just simply do not care about shit like this that much.
do you recognize you’re doing olympic level mental gymnastics throughout these comments in order to make the people you identify with in the internet story the good guys or are you just incredibly dense and/or like fucking with people for kicks?
i don’t like anybody here, all of these people sound like assholes, some of them stuck up their own asses, others a bit too unfiltered for their own good. But we also don’t know the full extent of the conversation and fallout from this, so who knows what actually happened.
Regardless if derek wanted to make the point that these people weren’t great, he didn’t need to leak messages, especially not 5 year old ones. He put as much effort as possible into destroying this friend group, and i wouldn’t be surprised if this is regular behavior from him. People like that use it to their advantage, only to fuck over people later in their lives by doing the same shit lmao.
Anybody willing to without permission leak shit like is asking for trouble, legally or not.
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This was not private. This was a group of assholes laughing behind their friends’ backs at their expense. It was secret, but not private.
was the entire “secret” group chat dedicated to making fun of people though? That’s the thing we don’t know, it just seems like a fairly active, long running group chat, with a number of distasteful posts made over time.
If you have a secret group chat where you make fun of your friends behind their backs, then you’re an awful piece of shit. I don’t care if it’s not solely dedicated to making fun of people. If you do it enough that your friend group ostracizes you when they find out, then you deserve to be ostracized. Why are you defending this behavior? Do you do this?
bro i make fun of my friends in public. I don’t talk to people unless it’s a group. Simple as.
If it’s ok for me to be harsh with people in public, i see no reason to stop being harsh with them in private, assuming it meets those boundaries.
That is a very pedantic response.
But makes a very big difference. Talking bad things about someone publicly is not okay, and the whistleblower is doing the right thing. Well, mostly. It’s not really cool that now the private messages are shared with even more people!
Talking about anything privately is a private discussion and as such, not a huge problem. Sharing someone’s private messages with a group with more than two or three members is already public to an extent.
Derek sounds like a snitch
Good. Don’t be an asshole to your friends behind their backs. That’s trashy behavior, and you deserve to lose your friends if you do it.
Nothing in the OP suggests that anyone was being an asshole to Derek in particular.
Oh, I don’t think they’re taking about Derek…
Well I apologize if I misunderstood
seriously jesus fucking christ what about this in particular is making it such a good litmus test to root out shitty people? they’re all just immediately, unironically, unabashedly identifying themselves in the comments here, just like that lmfao.
absolute trash is absolute trash ig.
Invasion of privacy, not cool
If you think someone is shit don’t screenshot a bunch of chats, just leave and tell people you saw stuff you didn’t like
What about the people on the group chat who were disrespecting other people’s right to privacy by sharing private mesaages and pictures? It’s cool when they do it?
Tell those particular people. Maybe screenshot those particular messages as proof. But don’t publicly share everything.
See, you misunderstand. You must either be enraged that there was a snitch, or uphold them as a paragon of justice. There is no nuance on the internet. Silly person.
It’s not cool when anyone does it
It’s a good thing. Kind seeks kind. Don’t be afraid to be who you are.
Normal people who don’t do this: yeah that’s weird.
Sus people: Hey that’s not fair!
I once had a group chat that got leaked. There’s a possibility that it may have involved some light treason.
Well there’s always money in the banana stand.
