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      The better one’s life is, the more scared they are to lose it.

      Enough of the general public is finally crossing the line we’ve been pushed towards for decades.

      France around and find out.

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        The problem with constantly robbing the poor is that the poor eventually run out of things to lose.

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      You know what? If they want to turn him into a martyr, I want to turn him into a saint. St. Luigi of Baltimore. In fact, I want to erect a big statue of him, something deliberately over the top and in bad taste. Like how Dante wrote his political enemies into Hell.

      Think of the classical paintings and statues of St. Michael casting Satan into Hell.

      I want to crowd fund a big bronze statue like this. Except Luigi is St. Michael and Thompson is Satan. Thompson can be holding a scroll that reads “delay deny depose.”

      I say we put a gaudy statue like this somewhere near United Healthcare’s headquarters in Minnesota. Just this classical bronze of their former CEO as the Devil himself, being thrown into literal Hell by St. Luigi of Baltimore. Make them drive past the damn thing every day on the way to the office.

      The dedication on the plinth can read “In Memory of St. Luigi of Baltimore. Tear down this monument when Americans no longer die from lack of healthcare.”

      The bastards want to make him a martyr? I say we make him a SAINT.

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        Dope illustration. Change the faces. Change the sword to a homemade silenced ghost gun and change whatever’s being scattered by Michael into pills.

        Edit- looked closer- change the chains held by Michael into him scattering pills and money.

        It’s the start of an idea. I’m no artist somebody run and do it!

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          Yeah there would be a lot of opportunity for interpretation. Realistically you would raise funds and accept proposals from artists. But I do love the over the top classical imagery.

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            We’re the people and I was hoping to inspire someone to make art for the people instead of for money. I wasn’t suggesting someone go get on making a statue!

            But I get it, being an artist is hard as fuck for many reasons, one of which is everyone wants you to work for free.

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        I want to crowd fund a big bronze statue like this. Except Luigi is St. Michael and Thompson is Satan.

        I’d pitch in for it.

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    I love that Adams is there. He literally has no reason to be there other than self promotion. Do you think they discussed the finer points of being indicted federally? Maybe he is trying to get him to ask for a Trump pardon.

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      He is absolutely doing this to appease trump. Dude is getting hit with terrorism charges here to set up precedent for trump to do whatever the fuck he wants.

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      I guess he’s trying to learn more about prison life before he gets his own perp walk.

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      Pigs when someone touches the guy who pays their off-the-books salary: Real shit

      Ftfy

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      Not even killed, but even just made to think their plundering might have consequences.

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      Terrorism is supposed to be the dogmatic or ideologically motivated killing of civilians, often by those who are willing to die in the process. It’s terror inducing because it could seemingly happen anywhere at any time to any one, and it’s a lot easier to cause harm to others when you’re suicidal and not trying to get away with it.

      Of course, that’s not how it’s routinely used, or perhaps was ever really used by anyone except academics.

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        The NY charge calls for a specific action taken against a government entity.

        Unless UHC is part of the government, but corporations as government is Musolini style fascism, and the US isn’t a fascist country, right?

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            ….so? How many killers before him have written a manifesto? Are all these school shooters, attacking actual public schools, being charged with terrorism? They’re actually striking out at “the system.” How many white supremacists mass shootings have written manifestos and not been charged with terrorism?

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              Are all these school shooters, attacking actual public schools, being charged with terrorism?

              There’s little need to up-charge school shooters. Many of them are killed on sight. Those that are captured (Dylan Roof, for instance) get life without parole or the death sentence.

              But in NYC, a single murder without a terrorist motive only gets you to 2nd Degree Murder. That means you’ll be out in 15 years. The “terrorism” addendum is necessary for life without parole sentencing.

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                  There is no objective measure of criminal conduct. It’s all malleable. Prosecutors and judges and juries ultimately make these decisions case-by-case. And the results can be heavily weighted by wealthy, socially influential private interests who want to see an example made of a particularly offensive or terrifying individual.

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            American soldiers regularly paint imagery and words on the ammunition and vehicles they use to kill people. Are they terrorists too?

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                sigh yes you’re the third or fourth person to make this joke. Yes I agree.

                The point is that nobody calls them terrorists for doing that. Putting words or art on weapons and ammo is considered “normal” as twisted as that is. So Luigi’s doing it does not make him a terrorist.

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                I mean I’d agree lol but I doubt this person equates Luigi and the average American soldier painting a bomb. That’s my point. Writing on a bullet case or writing a political statement doesn’t make one terrorist. It’s the violent acts and who they’re directed at any why that determine it.

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              The military is political. It is literally policy when the military moves. Anything any military does is dictionary terrorism. But terrorism is a nasty word for it so we don’t call it that.

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          I’d say that yes it was definitely at least partially politically motivated, since it was just as much an attack against the system as it was against the person, but hardly terrorism since there was no intent to scare the general public.

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            He probably did intend to scare insurance company executives. I can see calling it terrorism, even if I think he should get off.

            I’ve dealt with back pain, and during the height of my battle with the insurer I absolutely would’ve been tempted to kill the fuckers given the chance.

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              insurance company executives

              Yes but they are not civilians, the are enemy combatants so it is fair game.

              Also Luigi if he did it, literally spared witness who is in fact a civilians.

              Terrorism charge will hopefully back fire.

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          So, I’ve heard he didn’t actually have UHC. There’s also no confirmation of a denied claim, just the fact that he had back pain. Luigi targeted Brian because UHC was the largest insurance provider in the country, not because he was personally denied a particular claim. The guy was doing long distance hiking and running months before the slaying.

          TrueAnon podcast has a great deep dive into who Luigi was and what his potential motives were.

          He’s got a background in Effective Altruism, he got into the Dark Enlightenment movement, and was involved with a number of Silicon Valley gurus with particularly extremist ideology.

          Far from simply being an unhappy customer, it’s likely he’s a real life “Radical Centrist” who got pilled on far center neoliberal ideology.

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        Is the second guy who tried to shoot trump being charged with terrorism? Because that was politically motivated.

        If he’s not, Luigi also does not deserve the charge.

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    I’m gonna steel man this one and state that those officers are there to protect him more than protect others from him. That’s why school shooters have fewer officers escorting them, because who the fuck cares if somebody murders those monsters.

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      That’s what bothers me. The government is like ‘the memes about him aren’t true, he’s nothing special. It’s just murder’

      Then they turn around and prosecute saying ‘this isn’t just murder! Look at all the memes! This needs to be enforced like the special event it is’

      You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The judicial branch has been downplaying it as a simple murder. One man mad at another man. Nothing more. Cool. Then prosecute it as such.

      The inconsistent words jeopardize the faith in the system. Neo Nazi lynches a man to prove a point to an entire race that they are not safe… Murder, not terrorism.

      Guy kills a CEO over his personal issues with treatment with no master plan or manifesto? That’s a terrorist?

      The public needs consistency or we lose trust in the system.

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        Guy kills a CEO over his personal issues with treatment with no master plan or manifesto? That’s a terrorist?

        Assuming the evidence found is legit and Luigi is the shooter, this is false. He never had UHC and he appeared to target them because they’re the biggest and deny the most.

        The issue is the terrorism charge is about government not private business so the government is telling on itself that it considers private business to be one in the same.

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          Exactly what I was about to say. Just when dude was ready to do the righteous thing, instead of punishing his personal persecutor, he piles pellets into the public’s prolific plan provider.

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    I saw this on the news and honestly wondered how many cops are required for this prisoner transfer? Because all those people are getting paid to walk a guy past cameras, and they’re probably all getting paid more than me, and there’s SO many of them

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      “Ah, yep, absolutely doing work here. Work, work, work. Dangerous work. Don’t defund us and here’s the evidence to support why.”

      • Multiple U.S. Police Departments Probably
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      Probably overtime for all of them too. These low IQ “heroes” all have boats and RVs which arent going to pay for themselves.

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        Yeah the brownshirts get perks to make them feel better than the proletariat. They rub elbows with the bourgeoisie, and occasionally with the oligarchs, making them feel like part of the in-group. Meanwhile the bourgie think of them as disgusting necessary idiots and the oligarchs think of them as filthy trained dogs.

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      Is the fucking Mayor of New York in that picture? Wtf this just surreal. Our fucking hero being perp walked like this.

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        Fascinating that he’s right behind him. Perfect photo op. Isn’t he accused of crimes right now? Or just his close associates?

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                I assume the jury will be selected from Manhattan as that’s where the event occurred. Anybody know if they pull from all boroughs or not?

                If I lived in New York I’d be printing stacks of paper to post everywhere. Black and white. Something like… Luigi Fired in Self Defense and in the Defense of Others. Put this photo on it. Below that a few simply worded facts about the insurance industry killing people for profit. Then a QR code link to something explaining jury nullification in simple terms and why you can’t speak about it during jury selection.

                And how you can’t post about being selected for the jury or really tell anyone at all.

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          He’s accused of various crimes and no one really likes him on the Left or Right.

          The Right hates him because he basically he helped forward a program meant to help Undocumented Immigrants, only it came at the expense of New Yorkers and to such an extent that when I looked into it I had to make sure I wasn’t reading Fox News because it was so insanely gratuitous that if I started describing it, it’d sound like Sean Hannity got into the meth again.

          The Left hates him because in order to safe face for that PR Disaster, he immediately sucked up to Trump and announced that he was switching parties in a speech about how the Left is “So woke and useless” and he “Just wants to be on the winning team”, using various buzzwords in a context that kinda suggests he doesn’t know what they mean.

          And because he’s the second worst mayor New York City has ever had (the first being Rudy Giulanni of course), no one is really buying his political shift. Don’t get me wrong, no one thinks he’s a Leftist or even a Neo Liberal at heart, it’s just kinda obvious that this man has no spine and will go hard on whatever he thinks will make him look good at the time.

          Only he’s so bad at picking “What will make me look good right now?”, that I’m pretty sure his advisor is Michael Scott from The Office.

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            I mean, that’s a whole lot of words to say he’s a cop and all cops are bastards.

            I laugh my ass off that during Black Lives Matter protests liberals voted for a fucking cop for vice president and a fucking cop for mayor of NYC. What the actual fuck you dumb fucking liberals. Learn something other than identity politics. I swear to god people just vote for people because they’re a minority, even if they’re absolutely fucking terrible.

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              I didn’t vote for Kamela to be Vice President, I voted for Trump to stop ignoring Covid.

              But I get your point. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to learn she was the VP for Biden in 2020, I legitimately thought he was throwing the election when he did that…

              Maybe he was, just not the 2020 election…

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              You’re acting like the only other option wasn’t Trump again. Most people didn’t vote for Biden/Harris because they actually wanted Biden or Harris, but because we’re trapped in a 2 party system in a country where half the population doesn’t even vote.

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                Yeah, no. Fuck the democrats and the dumbass liberals who support them. Y’all get what y’all deserve. A fascist government. Biden admin had four years to prosecute trump for J6 and they slow walked the case. Democrats have had numerous opportunities to show a backbone and get shit done and time and time again they refuse to do anything except blame republicans and play identity politics. That’s all they have to offer.

                Oh, this is lemmy world, sorry for hurting libs feelings. Jk, not sorry. Y’all shat on the left for years now you’re getting what you deserve.

                Democrats refuse to hold people accountable and then are shocked pikachu face that they lose elections when they don’t even bother creating a platform besides we’re not trump. cope and seethe libs!

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                  When did I say I was a Democrat? Both parties are too far right for me personally. I’m saying you can’t blame the average voter for our 2 party system we’re stuck in. The majority of Americans aren’t happy but how exactly can it be fixed when more than half of them can’t even be bothered to even think of politics? Decades of indifference allowed this, not the people who actually regularly make it to the polls even while pissed with their options.

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            I can’t imagine having so few beliefs as to change sides between the two parties in a two party system in order to be on rhe winning team.

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          Run the Jewels going to have to take it. Rage broke up again.

          Speaking of, it’s about time for a new RTJ. I’ll bet anyone a million dollars they rap about Luigi.

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            Zac was a Silly-Billy and broke his leg (not the first time he’s tripped on stage) and so they cancel a world tour AND never tour again? Dayum.

            Also, ain’t no-one gonna call that bet 😅