• grue@lemmy.world
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    Everyone is fat

    Exactly, which points squarely at an environmental cause, not at individual sloth/gluttony or some shit like that.

    The conclusion you’re saying doctors arrive at—which I don’t doubt you’re correct about—is actually completely fucking backwards.

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      which points squarely at an environmental cause

      No, it points to people eating processed food and other shit. Guess what, you can still be healthy if you eat healthy.

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        So then the question becomes, why is processed food and other shit so pervasive in the average American diet? That’s what an environmental factor is.

        Refusing to think about the problem in terms of systems because you’ve got a hard-on for blaming individuals is absolutely missing the point.

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          Eating health is a responsibility of an individual.

          Trying to blame the omnious evil system instead of the responsibility of each individual is absolutely missing the point.

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            Then why are Americans so much worse at it, on average, than people in e.g. France or Japan. You can’t just say “hurt durr Americans are just irresponsible;” that’s a bullshit cop-out and you know it.

            I’m trying to have a conversation about what it would take to actually solving the problem here; if you just want to feel morally superior you can go ahead and fuck off.

            Oh, and by the way: even if the problem really were that Americans were more irresponsible on average compared to people from other countries, there would have to be a systemic reason why and that’s the thing that would be relevant to talk about! Your thought-terminating cliche is completely fucking worthless.

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          Unfortunately they were implying that that’s outside people’s control, like lead exposure or something, which is why they got the response they did. For the moment, anyway, it’s possible to eat good-ish if you educate yourself andfamiliarize yourself with your local area’s businesses. Even even there is nothing but a walmart, you can still buy veggies. If they don’t have veggies, you can buy nuts and beans. Going to McDonalds is a choice. Eating frozen dinners with family sized bags of chips for dessert is something people do because of lack of education or exhaustion, both problems with our society, but if you are the person in question then, you, personally can choose to eat healthy. It just won’t be as appealing.

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      Yeah but your doctor cant prescribe you burning down capitalism, they can prescribe you lower your caloric intake.