Firefox: oh you just saved 3 files to a folder, allow me to save the next one to a folder you haven’t downloaded anything to in months.
Thank the allmaker for KDE recent files.
Thank the allmaker for KDE recent files.
and GNOME recent files. I believe its even an XDG FreeDesktop spec.
damn its 23 Years old: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/recent-files-spec/latest/
Meanwhile Windows; Hi, you saved a file earlier? Let’s search for it. Nope, can’t find it, do you want to search Bing? No? [A few minutes later] Ooo, so sorry you’re offline and can’t download it. Too bad.
Ios; you want to open the file in an app? OK, click 7 buttons and we’ll make a local copy stored in the app’s specific folder you didn’t know existed.
Chrome; what’s a file?
Linux; which file browser would you like to use today?
Linux
the default one that comes with every distro and opens by default when i want to find files.
its only a problem if you fiddle with installing more file browsers
Funni, cause the comment below from AstralPath and lightnsfw tells a different story
Linux:
ls
cd directory
ls
cd directory2
ls
cd directory3 …
On linux you don’t search, you
findThat’s a good one :)
Oh boy do I have a
treeto sell you
Windows is more like, oh that file you saved earlier? Yeah we moved that to OneDrive. You want it back? Sorry didn’t pay your OneDrive subscription fee, so you don’t actually have that file anymore. Hope it wasn’t something irreplaceable like your kid’s baby photos or anything lol.
I use Windows and have never encountered what you are describing.
none of my files have ever been ‘moved’ to OneDrive and none of my files that are on OneDrive have ever been locked behind a paywall.
If you save some files on the desktop or documents, and OneDrive activates it’s backups later, it will forcefully move your files to the cloud.
And if you’re not a paying customer and have gigabytes of data, it will shit itself midway to bark at you to pay up because your free 5Gb is up.
Now, a normal, regarded dumbass (the target audience) would just pay the tax, but if you have an IQ above that of average coral reef you can take your data back by quitting onedrive, copying everything back, and disabling onedrive backup.
I often see people saying stuff like this that I never run into. I wonder if the difference is whether your OS is tied to a Microsoft account or not. I used an exploit to bypass the account requirement when I set up Windows 11.
Well we all know OneDrive cost money but like you get 5 or 10GB free, and even then if you go over I’m 99% sure those files just stay on your PC.
But the moving files thing feels real. I remember testing out Fedora one time with a classmate who was trying to convince me to switch, and for some reason, even though I direct all downloads to the download folder, it was in my OneDrive somehow. So when my VM tried installing the iso, it was taking a million years to pull it from OneDrive.
Similarly, I didn’t realize my Documents folder was backed up on the Cloud, so I had to find the dumbass settings to turn off backups for documents and other shit besides pictures. This is one of those moments where I understand why Linux users love a CLI, because Microsoft’s menus are stupid to navigate sometimes.
The worst offender that I never managed to figure out was my ShareX files. It would save locally, but then switch to OneDrive for no reason, so my config and shortcuts would be lost, and the auto backups would also be lost. I fought with that thing for months, and only gave up cause I moved to Fedora Silverblue, in which Linux unfortunately has no app that is nearly as good as ShareX.
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You are just making shit up 🤣
Just pathetic stuff, missing up stories to simp for an OS.
Use a system indexer like Listary or Everything and you never have to worry about finding a file ever again, just type its name and it’ll be the first result
Everything is fantastic. Plus it can be integrated (somewhat) into Classic Shell’s search.
/storage/emulated/0/
Many have gone looking. Few have returned.
I really do wish that more packages on Linux had installation paths clearly noted in a readme.
I’ve been using Linux daily for over a year now and I still have a hard time tracking down config files and install paths. Its just not one of those tasks I do regularly so I always forget best practices when trying to find stuff. The CLI always gives me the best results but getting the commands right can be tedious.
I’ve started saving useful commands in a note on my desktop.
dpkg -L package-nameOr the inverse
dpkg -S /usr/bin/somefileFor apt based distros, obviously.
I just tried this with Samba (so
dpkg -L sambaanddpkg -S samba, and I also tried addinggrep "smb.conf"and running it with sudo) and I was unable to find the share config file.It’s located under
/etc/samba/smb.confbut that command was returning a path under my local user. This is on UbuntuYou might want to look into the locate package (it might be called mlocate) if you can’t find a file. It can be helpful.
dpkg -Srequires a full path like the example I gave.dpkg -L sambashould work fine. What is the error you got?No error or anything, but it just doesn’t have the
/etc/samba/smb.conffile. Just doesn’t have it.dpkg -S sambadoes find/usr/share/samba/smb.confwhich isn’t the right file either.You’re confusing the command again
-L, --listfiles package-name... List files installed to your system from package-name. -S, --search filename-search-pattern... Search for a filename from installed packages.dpkg -S /my/file/pathFinds which, installed, package installed the file.
dpkg -L samba | grep .confGreps through the list of files installed by a given package.
If the file you want isn’t in there then it wasn’t installed by the package itself (could be created on the fly by the binary for example), in which case obviously the package system can’t track it.
Oh I see, this command didn’t really do what I wanted it to do then. I just wanted to be able to see the locations of any files associated with a program. If I knew the file path I could just find them haha
dpkg -L PACKAGE_NAMEdoes what you want. In my initial reply I mentioned thatdpkg -Sis the inverse.
This is a good argument for shipping an empty config file.
Your point stands, but this also isn’t completely unintuitive. There is pattern there: you installed
sambaand the config is in/etc/samba/. System level installs will almost always install their config in/etc/and the sub directory will typically match the name somewhat.There is likely a general thought that if you’re going to administer a samba server, you’ll also be comfortable with conventions and man pages. Although, funnily enough, in the particular case of
samba,man smb.confdoesn’t show the path lolThat’s the thing though, when you install Samba it does create an empty config file at
\etc\samba\smb.conf, or at least I’ve never created oneI see why it does this now. Debian does
CONFIG=/etc/samba/smb.conf # stuff ucf --three-way --debconf-ok /usr/share/samba/smb.conf "$CONFIG"in the
postinitinside the.debfile to create the/etc/samba/smb.conffile. They do it this way so they don’t nuke an already created file. I take back that they should be shipping an empty file, this way is better, but it also means you’ll never be able to query it without some changes to the packaging tools.The man page should mention the path though that’s a bit lame.
This does not return all “config files and install paths” as it only ever considers files that came in the package, not files created by the package (such as /etc/samba.smb.conf, which is created during installation), so doesn’t actually solve the problem.
That limitation should’ve been made clear in the advice itself so as not to send users that don’t know better down dead ends, though the subsequent discussion between this and the previous user is a great illustration of how the way some give Linux “advice” just ends up frustrating those seeking advice.
(It even eventually frustrated me because over the years I’ve had to teach plenty of junior developers to not give advice like that, only they’re seldom so bad that they insist they actually know what the other person wants even in the face of a user providing proof that they do not)
People can say what they want about Windows, having stuff installed in a folder called Program Files with sub folders using the brand/program name is so much simpler than whatever the fuck is going on on Linux.
WinXP times are long gone, my friend. These days I will sooner dig out where vim plugin source code resides on Linux than figure out config file location for a fucking game on Windows
Until an app decides to install in the hidden AppData folder with the confusing sub-folder names, or even the root of the user folder, or god forbid in a folder in the root of the C drive
I don’t remember seeing something get installed in appdata, but having other files it depends on in there sure does happen though
I’ve seen Electron based apps do this sometimes. GitHub Desktop, for instance
Local, LocalLow, Roaming really are confusing names ngl, but %AppData% isn’t really hidden.
It’s hidden enough that I have had to provide tech support to my friends a few times on this. I think it’s easy to forget how expertise shapes our perspective on these things
It’s funny because it seems like it’s all just familiarity with conventions on both platforms. I’ve used Linux for around 15 years and I’m completely lost trying to find anything on a Windows computer.
Also the two Program Files folders that have existed since the switch to 64-bit systems.
And third-party software installers that install stuff into their own secret places. Like Steam games.
And don’t forget that syswow64 is where 32-bit os programs are, system32 is where the 64-bit programs are… and I guess system is still for 16-bit OS programs, if there still are any.
(Edit: just checked, it seems to have only xsd documents for windows speech synthesis.)
Which readme?
The one on the github that has out of date instructions and tells you to check the discord?
The 6 year out-of-date one on your distro’s wiki?
or The gnu-info/manpage that is only for the original upstream and doesn’t tell you where all the files have been moved or that half of the software isn’t actually installed since it was split out into extra packages for justdebianthings
Do I really need to remind this is free software made by benevolent developers? I get it it’s infuriating but it’s still in some way a gift you were given and seem unhappy with.
If you give me a 1000 piece puzzle for free, but without the instructions or a box picture to go off of, you’ve done a nice thing by gifting me something but have also failed miserably as I’ll never fuckin solve that puzzle
Terrible analogy honestly. Feel free to not use this software, nobody will ever force you to use it.
This is not software to entertain you. It’s a tool that you don’t understand how to use and choose to blame the people building it for free.
It’s a tool that you don’t understand how to use and choose to blame the people
building it for freefailing to properly document their tool.Ftfy
Just because it’s provided free doesn’t mean you’re off the hook for not telling people how it works, dumbass
Why so hostile and the name calling…? They’re saying it’s a lot of work for oftentimes a single person to do. That’s just the truth.
You’re a fantastic idiot if that’s what you actually think. That’s not what they’re saying nor relevant to the discussion at all
To be honest, sounds like you aren’t using arch btw. Jk I have the same issues on arch
I usually start inotifywatch with read events, open the program, close it and see what inotifywatch dumped.
Suprised nobody said to use whereis xyz
i just give up after a couple of minutes if it isn’t somewhere obvious and then search my whole system with grep lmao.
how wonderful to live in a world where compute is so cheap.
Amateur. I read the source on GitHub to see where it’s saving that shit.
Every time I touch a config file/setting I document it in my notes. I would be lost without it.
As a long time linux user, I think all programs should have a config gui. (Not all, but you get what I mean)
I think it should be GUI config or detailed man page/readme. The amount of assumed end-user knowledge by devs is way too high.
I’ve started saving useful commands in a note on my desktop.
Great idea
hard time tracking down config files
Usually under ~/.config/<app> or ~/.local/share/<app>
Often also in /etc/
Or ~/.<app>
i wrote a whole comment but deleted it this comment explains better https://programming.dev/comment/17202550
File manager > Recent files
literally I’ve had files that file manager cannot see or interact with at all. I think they always came from termux, which is what I used to unzip zip files. Definitely in the right directory but just plain invisible to file manager and other apps.
Mes fichiers » fichiers récent
For any francos looking for this application.
Seriously, this thread has me very confused about how a social media platform seemingly inundated with nerds can’t open a file manager (which often comes pre-installed) to find a downloads folder.
For real? Never used Android, but isn’t it built on Linux? It doesn’t use the same path /home/username/Downloads?
It doesn’t use the same path /home/username/Downloads?
Same as what? That isn’t a default path for anything in Linux either. It’s a convention that browser follows though, on Windows and Mac too.
It does not, but on all of the Android devices I’ve used there’s simply a “downloads” folder in the root location (or what is exposed to the user as root location, anyway) where downloads go by default. From web browsers, at least.
The problem is that where things are saved is more or less up to the developer of the app in question, and sometimes they make some very nonsensical choices. The app could create a folder for itself in root, or it could create a folder for itself in “documents,” or it could simply park things in one of the preexisting userspace folders. Or it could bury the file it just created in /Android/data/com.appname.fd6bca3/files/0/dl/, and it sure as shit won’t tell you nor give you the option to put it anywhere else.
Get a file explorer. Mine has a “recent” tab where all the new stuff is. I can also move or copy files easily. Vanilla explorer is not very good but it does have the basics covered. It is annoying not to have a system-wide download dialog though.
I suspect part of why google’s app is subpar is to promote their cloud storage.
I use Root Explorer.
A shocking number of Android devices ship without a file browser installed from the vendor at all. If you want one you have to install it yourself. This is baffling to me.
That’s fucked, the more android progresses the less usable it becomes it seems. Even budget 2.3 phones had it built-in afaik
It’s basically a jvm that runs on the Linux kernel.
Don’t know what this meme is about.
Everything I download is in my downloads folder. Good luck finding the downloads folder path in IOS.
That was a problem for years. Apple didn’t make the Files app to navigate the filesystem until 2017. It’s fine now, but it was absurd for sure.
It’s built on a , by now very modified and incompatible, Linux kernel. But not a GNU userland at all.
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I really lost my shit when Firefox downloaded some Belfort & Lupin subtitles and I could not for the fucking live of me find them.
Turns out it put them in the “Movies” folder instead of “Downloads” where it actually put the corresponding video files.
sounds like your pitiful mind cant understand the unix file oriented philosophy and you should stay 10 feet away from all information technology /sarcasm
Technology and sarcasm?!?!
I’ve got a bad feeling this might catch on…
Luckily, we technology enthusiasts are all special snowflakes and don’t engage in anything as banal as copying other people.
Luckily, we technology enthusiasts are all special snowflakes and don’t engage in anything as banal as copying other people and sarcasm :)
I’m never sarcastic.
Well said, o7
Luckily, we technology enthusiasts are all special snowflakes and don’t engage in anything as banal as copying other people and sarcasm :) :)
It has very little to do with unix philosophy
yo that’s the joke i was making XD
now look here you little… oh actually it would be nice to get away from tech honestly…
I’m pretty sure this is google chrome issue. When I use Samsung Internet, I can choose the download location
Not a fan of google products, but I can’t fathom using the phone’s stock browser. Is it … good?
It’s good, I mainly use Samsung browser, although use google search widget will default to use chrome, so basically I use both
It’s almost as if this is a computer architecture designed for idiots who don’t know or care what a file is or for what purposes their data is being harvested. Everywhere I hear people falling over themselves to declare that the tablet smartphone was apple’s golden gift to the world. Try to do any serious work on one, it’s fucking annoying.
Whenever we make technology accessible to stupid people it becomes irritating to use and a privacy nightmare.
It’s almost as if this is a computer architecture designed for
idiotshuman beings whodon’t know or care what a file isinteract with computers on a non-file oriented basis or have been lied to and systemically unsupported in their education for what purposes their data is being harvested.No hate. No useful conversation starts with calling large swaths of people idiots, is all.
Don’t you know? Users being told the exact location of a file is not user-friendly!
There are not files. There are only vibes. If your surf the vibe ocean well enough, you will find what you were looking for.
Yeah, it can be hard to find files sometimes. File Navigator solves this problem perfectly.
I prefer Material Files.
Yeah, I feel you on that. It’s my go to file manager as well.
Solid Explorer has always been my go to. I never understood why basic file explorer functions essentially required the use of a separate app, but it’s functionality is superb and the now-baked-in-but-terrible file explorer in android can never hope to match it.
If you think about it, its always a separate app. WIndows Explorer is an app and so is Dolphin on KDE.
lsis an app.
Android just has a bit of an identity problem with how to present files. Considering its made for the most common denominator, and everything revolves around ‘apps’ now, the concept of files, what they are and what they do is new to many. Most people wont even consider the photo they took is a file. Its a photo, not a file, what are you talking about?. So I’m not surprised the representation of files is on the lower priority list.
I’m old school, I want to know where everything is in the file system and this part of android messes with me.I guess I meant that it shouldn’t require a 3rd party app. When I discovered and began using Solid Explorer, there wasn’t even a viable system app for file management in Android, you had to use a 3rd party app. They did eventually add a system app, but it’s next to useless.
Oh, Samsung has a files app. I just assumed all vendors provide one. I dont consider this third party though.
I guess it would be similar if you used GNOME and it didnt come with the app ‘Files’. Linux isnt a desktop so there wouldnt be any system app for files either, just the CLI. Does stock Android provide a system files app? I cant find it.I’m using a Samsung device now as well, but as I recall, my last Pixel phone did have a very basic files app. But stock Android didn’t always - I was using ES File Explorer and eventually Solid Explorer on my HTC phones back in the day to restore basic functionality.
“Akshually, photo is not a file” is how iOS did it. Blew my mind when I tried to sync my files (Syncthing/Möbius) and it would not show any of the photos in file lists. Apparently it’s for “security reasons”.
This was several years ago so IDK if it’s the same still.
There’s a “recent files” list in most file managers
Bit by bit? The move to mobile was like getting hit in the face with an inaccessibility bat. I hate mobile OSes with a passion. Unfortunately, they’re overwhelmingly the way through which people interact with the Internet or do any kind of tech stuff anymore. I do a lot of audio work, and Android lacks even simple routing software. It just uses the last audio device plugged into it. Never mind you only want to use the mic on that and not the output. Forget using multiple devices. It’s infuriating. You’ll pry my desktop away from me through my cold, dead hands.
Sounds like you should install Ubuntu touch on your phone
Doesn’t work on all devices though
Then install linage OS or get a fair phone 4
