I’m getting reports further down, I have no idea if what anyone says is true or not. It’s borderline rule 5, but not quite there. This is a strong reminder to hate the argument, not the arguer.
How the fuck is a higher minimum wage anything but our current system?
I’m not convinced it’s not satire
They need to base politicians salaries off minimum wage. If they only earned a salary based off 4-5x the minimum wage, that shit would never be lagging as bad as it is now
Why 4x minimum wage? How could they represent the poorest people in a country if they make quadruple the money?
If they cant live with minimum wage, its their problem to solveIt’s [supposed to be] a demanding position. Relative to the skills we should be demanding these people to have, the pay they currently get is actually not that impressive.
4 times as demanding sounds kinda funny. 254000× or whatever sounds like religious fairy tales. To the guillotines.
Wtf are you talking about? Congress’s salary is only ~178k.
Congress is the 4. Private sector is the ∞.
No one in this thread had mentioned private sector. Try to stay on topic.
this only works if they stop them from being able to hold investments in companies, and markets, then pass laws for, as well as getting rid of political donations. If we don’t do that their salary going down would only negatively affect the small number of congress members that want actual change to things.
I have a solution, make it legal to kill politicians who hold investments or take bribes. They become outlaw and anything done to them is just the consequences of their actions.
$20 is socialism and $30 is communism. I’m sure Karl Marx said something like that.
Why oh why do we peg it to a number rather than to a metric, even if it were Big Macs ffs!!!
It’s not the already obscenely rich accumulating more wealth to the detriment of everyone else, which is the inevitable consequence of the current system of laissez faire capitalism.
Up until the communism part I thought they were endorsing him.
I mean, maybe they are a communist, and like the ideas and are endorsing him!
dont you mean marxist part.
If Communism is when wages go up and cost of living goes down, what is Capitalism?
assets get concentrated, rent goes up
That’s just the efficiency of the free market. Mamdani would ruin a perfect system.
Next step: Everything goes to shit for normal people, they vote for fascists. Fascists take over, and people get concentrated as well, into camps.
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
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My favorite part lol
Some classic pasta right there.
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cost of living goes up quality of living goes up (for some) and the poor get poorer
Existence, privatized.
There’s a lot of good ideas in there, but rent freezes aren’t one of them. Limiting what you can charge for a service just means less people will want to provide that service.
good, less landlords. Not only would freezing rent show us which people suck, but it will force the people who suck to sell their extra properties, since if they won’t use them then the property is just losing them money.
My city already tried this and kinda failed(5% raise limit). It only pumped up the price in the end.
It only pumped up the price in the end.
How?
because if you can’t increase rent with inflation you need to start it higher to begin with.
Yes landlords will just take their houses overseas.
Even if you just talk about building new homes, freezing rent just caps the profits that can be pulled out of a project. If it’s profitable right now, why shouldn’t it be with same income tomorrow?
Because costs only go up, that’s why. It may not be profitable tomorrow at all.
Then lift the freeze once there’s no profit left anymore, or just keep the freeze for existing buildings. Limit the rent increase etc.
The issue here is, and this has happened before, investors will either sell the property, meaning those not in a position to buy are screwed, or they will do the bare minimum to keep the building functioning, as there is no incentive to improve the building.
Sell to whom?
The banks, of course. They’ll buy anything.
And what do they do with that investment?
Owner-occupiers typically.
That sounds like it’s solving the problem, then.
Problem easily solved. Is a building not being utilized? Seize it and pay the owner fair market value, then have the city administrate it and charge just enough rent to cover expenses of maintenance and improvement and administration.
So why not skip the rent control and go straight to this?
Fair market value is much, much lower 9n rent controlled property
To give the current owners the chance to do the right thing, and make a small but reasonable gain from their property.
And to make it more palatable to the general public. It’s a lot easier to convince people to go along with it if you’re seizing empty unused properties that are only empty and unused because the owner refuses to rent them if they’re not making excessive profit.
investors will either sell the property
Good. Investors rather than inhabitants owning homes is a huge part of why rent and property prices have skyrocketed.
they will do the bare minimum to keep the building functioning
They already do that in order to maximize profits.
there is no incentive to improve the building.
Ever heard of this new thing called laws and regulations? It’s the only “incentive” that actually DOES work to correct the behavior of greedy slumlords.
Letting them keep increasing the already obscenely high rents just means more profits for them in return for no benefit for anyone else.
They already only do the bare minimum. You practically have to take your landlord to court to get any meaningful fixes in your apartment. All new developments are built like shit, developers cut corners anywhere they can. After the building is built the developer “vanishes” so there isn’t anyone to sue when there is something seriously wrong with the building. They just open a new throw away LLC later and put up another shit building. You must not live in NYC
Then sell your property.
to whom? unless the rent can change (which it realistically shouldn’t if the law is written well) it still won’t be profitable
People make bad investments all the time.
and they have every right to complain about the government making a half decent one into a horrible one
And normal people have a right to not care about people leeching off of actual workers.
And if you’re talking about homeowners, I still don’t care. You don’t deserve imaginary free money for owning land. Its for living in, not an investment.
Go buy some stocks and stop being selfish.
Cost of what?
Yes landlords will just take their houses overseas.
You think landlords are going to move overseas so they can landlord somewhere else?
Honestly, if there actually are people like that, then good riddance. They sound like slum lords. Parasites.
Less people wanting to provide the “service” of rent seeking? Could you elaborate on why that wouldnt be a good idea?
Because you’re kinda boned if you’re not in a position to just buy a property, that’s why.
Seems like that would lead to a lot more affordable houses becoming available to people who couldnt previously own them.
Youd end up getting more landlords anyway because the barrier of entry would be lowered for that as well.
All rent freeze does is caps profits for existing landlords, and they make enough profit as it is.
How would the barrier of entry be lowered? Are you suggesting new investors are going to buy properties they can’t turn a profit on?
Why do you think it would work like that?
If the existing investors have to sell at a loss because there’s no profit to be made, someone gets to buy them for cheaper, making it profitable again.
They’re not going to sell for less than what they can make off the property though, are they?
Then they’ll continue renting these properties at the new rates? Works too.
Why wouldn’t they be able to make a profit? The demand for housing wouldnt be any lower, they just can’t increase rent above what it was.
The barrier of entry would be lowered by greedier land lords deciding to sell rather than not being able to raise rent, so people who are slightly less greedy and willing to make only maybe a 300% profit instead of a 1000% profit would take over. Corporate landlords get flushed out to make room for smaller mom & pop owners.
Lol keep going, keep going! What happens when there are fewer landlords?
You either buy an apartment, or live somewhere else.
Demand shrinks, dont forget to mention that. What happens when demand shrinks?
How is demand going to shrink?
Probably by people buying apartments or moving away
If rent is frozen and it becomes unprofitable those units won’t stay empty. You’d need more than just a rent freeze but housing could become affordable again if it wasn’t treated like an investment or profit venture. Get all the corporations to hate it and prices will fly down.
As I said elsewhere, they will be sold to owner occupiers most likely.
Which is a massive problem for those not in a position to buy.
Lol yeah, no. The prices would come down rather than be held indefinitely with no hope of occupants. I admit this will effect the people with 2 properties before the massive corporations. But its better than just allowing this irrational market.
And what, leave the apartments empty? Have them earn zero money, rather than some money?
As per my other replies, typically sell the property to an owner-occupier, which is a big problem if you can’t afford to buy a property.
public ownership with rents based on the costs of maintaining the properties properly
That is actually a far better idea than rent control, yes.
it will actually make them charge more, or find ways of making you stay temporary. they said rent freeze is coming, they can demand payment upfront
That still sounds extraordinarily capitalist to me. By calling it Communism, they’re diluting the massive policy failure of actual Marxism, which is more akin to “let’s all take up arms and pillage every home, rich or poor”.
This is more like “let’s all kill the dragon who ate our children and stole our gold”.
“let’s all take up arms and pillage every home, rich or poor”
then you really need to look into what marxism actually is instead of believing stupidity online.
Conservatives posting his Ws all the time. They’re his best advertisers.
+1 for nitter screenshots.
I don’t like contributing to Twitter in any way, but Nitter + screenshot undermines it enough to warm my heart. And informs others they can do the same!
protip: xcancel is also a good nitter instance you can use!
I know the dude is probably way more anti-Castro than I am but damn, “Tax hikes = Straight up communism”
Bro, STFU you don’t know shit about shit. YOU go try to live in NYC on $60,000 a year. Dick. Stay in Miami you fucker.
This isn’t even the same Pitbull lol
Oh, that’s not “Mr Worldwide”?
Nope
Weird. I wonder why OP thinks we give a shit if it’s just some random moron on twitter.
I think OP is just hyping up Mamdani and his policies and showing how some idiots think that things like free transit and free childcare are bad things. But tbh so many examples have already been posted, it’s not exactly news.
Mr Worldwide himself claims to be anti-communist, but I think that’s just his Cuban heritage speaking. Dude’s been funding an education program for poor kids starting in his old neighborhood that is now nationwide. While it’s not communism and it’s not even public money being spent, it’s very much in the same vein as Mamdani’s ideas: The goal is to improve equal access to necessities.
He said back in 2016 that he doesn’t support Trump’s joke of a campaign and unlike a lot of Latinos, he’s pro-immigration (the “fuck you, got mine” mentality seems to be pretty common among Latinos living in America, they don’t wanna see any immigrants despite being immigrants themselves). He’s also stated that he loves America, but wants to stay out of politics. He just wants it to be the United States, not the Divided States, according to his Howard Stern interview. I went through the painful process of scrolling back to early November 2024 in his Xitter profile and I couldn’t see a single political statement. A bunch of disgusting preachy motivational quotes about hard work leading to success, but nothing political.
Long story short, he’s got a lot of ego showing in his public persona, his music is very, eh… It’s pop music. It’s made to appeal to as many people as possible so that’s why it feels like it has little personality. But dude himself seems to be very genuine and friendly according to literally every encounter ever described on reddit. The annoying high energy persona is probably just marketing.
Why’d I go through all this trouble? Well I remember some threads bashing him on reddit and a lot of people said he’s actually very different from his media personality. Also, a lot of people wouldn’t have respected the poll results and given a concert on a remote island in Alaska.
Yeah, I feel duped into thinking this was Pitbull the musician and not some random dummy. He sounds cool from your description.
cool marxism sounds awesome where’s my hammer and sickle
I don’t care what you call it, I want that. Call it doodoo pickle butting, if it offers that, sign me up for everyone else too.
Call it butt sex and then we can also claim this was the gay agenda we kept hearing about.
Thats the thing, im past the stupid naming and everything. I just want policies that help people and not billionaires. Call it marxism, stalinism, whatever the fuck you want.
It’s a pathetic attempt to rile the old people who remember the cold war propaganda against communism and socialism. While young people are like “So what?”
Yeah sadly that doesnt work here in eastern europe because communism and even social democratism(what this actually is) is associated with the ussr which was a truly horrible regime.
Eastern Europeans are some of the most gullible people on earth. Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.
I understand that’s the power of propaganda, but damn… It’s been 40 years and most of them never bothered to sit down and learn what a communism is. I can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.
can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.
I have some trump supporting neighbors I’d like to introduce you to.
Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.
He did claim to be communist though - as in, he is ideologically driven to attempt to bring about communism. So calling the USSR “communist” is 100% correct. And naturally, what do you call life under communists? Communism! (This is wrong, but it’s an understandable switch-up).
Well, that’s where I have to disagree with Stalin’s official narrative. I don’t think he was a communist, I think he was an opportunist with no ideology beyond personal empowerment. I think he’d have said he believed in anything if it gave him more power.
Sounds a lot like trump
I’m surprised it’s not more associated with France since social democracy is what the have going on.
I have a 20-something son who basically grew up with MAGA shitting on everything. From his perspective ( and his friends), they don’t see anything wrong with trying out Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism. They feel like the current system of “Democratic Capitalism” has led to the rise of vicious MAGA Nazis, and weak Democratic defenders of our Nation, with the majority of Americans suffering to some degree, so why are we fighting so hard to preserve it?
When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.
When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.
One can only hope so. What we had before wasn’t great either and pretty much lead to how things are now.
Exactly. In a way, we agree with MAGA, it’s time for a change. They took the initiative, and turned the country in their direction, which is evil, by any definition.
The Establishment Democrats were asleep at the wheel while this played out over 40 years, despite many warnings and steady escalations. Now, we have arrived at their Promised Land, and it is as ugly as they promised, and as a student of history, I promise you it WILL get a lot uglier, likely far beyond any of our imaginations.
We can’t return to the Status Quo, because that WAS the problem. We need to create a new Paradigm, one that will not be afraid to ferociously defend Liberty from Traitors, Crooks, and worse.
You are a special kind of stupid (and brainwashed) if you think any of those things listed are bad
And also completely unrelated to Communism.
Lol
see, shit like this is what ended up cementing my opinion as a commie. thats literally fucking awesome.
and its for once, actual communism being described by the chuds.
Because he’s reading from his open positions of awesome stuff
isn’t it kinda funny? dude just reads from a bullet point list and hates the stuff without giving a single thought about it, because he is supposed to hate it.
Love the air quotes around “free” stuff literally everyone needs or benefits from combined with tax hikes.
Yeah, bro, that’s what pays for it, you’ve figured it out! The cunning plot to provide basic social services supported by a balanced budget!
No, communism is moneyless. No minimum wage in communism
you are correct. i was thinking of socialism.
i used the word interchangeably. in my defense i slipped, i try not to.
‘“Free” stuff is actually paid by our taxes, checkmate liberal!’
‘…uh, yeah?’
It’s funny that they never complain about the “free” roads or the “free” police.
I feel like this doesn’t get called out more often as the straw man that it is. Right-wingers just love mocking the left for supposedly wanting “free” stuff.
