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One day somebody will physically retaliate against the genocidal admins here.
This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.
America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn’t gonna do it.
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Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.
You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.
I don’t think people understand what fascism really is. Fascism doesn’t obey the rule of law at all, it is fascism especially if it fights it. Once a fascist raise to power, you’re done, marching is useless now. Only guns.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
And please stop cry, none of the country you invaded “exporting democracy” whined like this. It’s really pathetic, especially because you did it to yourself, no invading country needed. Get your guns and start shooting.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
See, and here I was thinking that it’s time for Germany, Japan, etc. to repay America by liberating us.
Absolutely, if you were attacked. But you weren’t, you elected a fascist rapist pedofile after committing atrocities after atrocities and now the world should “liberate” you? From what, your dementia?
Was the Weimar Republic “attacked” by Hitler and the Nazis?
Do you really really believe that the United States entered the war out of goodness of their heart? Are you delulu?
One of the many reasons Britain managed to convince the US was…… drum roll……Palestinian land! But it’s just a coincidence don’t worry, what do I know, just a tankie here.
Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn’t buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.
Those people have been watching too many Hollywood movies. The next step after a protest march isn’t going in guns blazing. It’s holding an actual protest where you shut things down. Look at how the French do it. Organize. Resist. Disobey. Disrupt.
But work
But general strike
Dont forget your protest permits!
I’m not slamming people for being involved. I’m slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn’t going to stop a determined fascist.
trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.
Not sure how much I can trust that source. And no right-winger will ever accept it either.
Anyone with a more direct link to a source about this?
Fuuuuck the empire. I’m not going to war for any of these twats.
Ah, choosing the camps, eh.
Substitute one right winger for another? Nope. They’re all capitalist shitbags.
Now you’re upset because we’re shitting where we sleep. The rest of the world has been dealing with our shit for the past two centuries.
“There is nothing more important than stopping fascism because fascism will stop us all” - Fred Hampton
Liberalism will inevitably lead us back here again but at least we get to live to fight. Choosing not to fight because we’re outnumbered and would have to ally with our enemies is choosing defeat.
You’re right, but I’m content with watching the whole thing crumble.
I guess that works, though I’d push you to get engaged in mutual aid efforts or learn to shoot or something. Just because we’re watching it crumble doesn’t mean we can’t protect those we care about :)
I’m in the midwest, I know how-to shoot. ;)
You’re a force of good. Thanks, mate.
Historically, there are other options…
Here’s how returning vets from WW2 handled political corruption and a sheriff stealing multiple elections but everyone in authority refused to do anything about it.
Bill White claimed he said “Boys, … I’m going to tell them to bring the ballot box out of there, and if they don’t we’re gonna open up on them.’ I hollered in there, I said, ‘You damn thieve grabbers, bring them damn ballot boxes out of there.’ That’s just what I said. He didn’t make a move down there and finally one of them said, ‘By God I heard a bolt click.’ Down there—one of them grabbers did, you know—they started scattering around. And I had a pistol in my belt with a shotgun. I had a shotgun and a rifle. And I pulled the pistol out and started firing down there at them. Well, when I did that, all that whole line up there started firing down there in there. A lot of them got in the jail, some of them didn’t, some of them got shot laying outside. And the battle started.”[4]: 21
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
The whole story is worth a read, especially these days.
But it ended up with a bunch of dynamite, dead fascists, and a new sherrif…
Who made Bill White a deputy and he faced no charges.
That’s why I’ve started calling the country the Fascist States of America.
get your weapons ready
The economic crash if that happens is going to be sweet.
Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers
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Misinformation and genocide denial
I’m leaving this up.
You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. Including immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.
And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.
Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
I’m really not interested in the moral opinions of people who describe “opposing your government doing a Holocaust” as “single-issue voters”
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles,
Seems like you think the time between election cycles is when you should be tearing into the left.
Now there’s two holocausts. Everyone with a brain knew it was only going to get worse under Trump compared to Biden or Harris, and now they’re talking about alligators getting 65 million meals. Tell me how is two genocides better than once? How come not a single “true leftist” such as yourself acknowledges Trump being a genocidal maniac, only Harris?
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles
You mean like… now?
Yes, now’s a much better time than in November of an election year.
And yet Democrats are still just as viciously opposed to it.
Kamala will never beat Trump no matter how much you want to cry about it. You need an actual opposition party, neoliberalism is dead.
An actual opposition party to the left of the neoliberals siphons votes from the neoliberals to make it easier for the real fascists.
Changing to a better election system has to happen on a state level first because states are the ones who can choose if they have an FPTP system (yay 2 party system) or a proportional system. Even IF you managed to elect a bona-fide socialist as president, it’s not gonna affect shit because that’s not even the president’s jurisdiction. Or congress. It’s state level.
Your single-issue principles
You have to be a truly souless monster to describe a modern Holocaust as “a single issue”
The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed.
The genocide was just as bad under Biden, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it.
Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
I can’t vote in the states
Then what the hell makes you think we should give a shit about your stupid-assed opinion? STFU and worry about your own country.
No you aren’t. You are boiling a complex problem down to a singular issue as if there was some mystical way to vote or abstain and not continue to have genocide issues in Palestine. No matter if you didn’t vote or voted for trump or voted for kamala this issue would still be there!
In this scenario the option isn’t to lean full force into fascist theocracy and quite honestly, deeper genocide support with the republicans and Trump. The only reasonable choice was to mitigate all the other issues on the table.
I’m glad you can’t vote here, because if you are too dumb to understand this dilema, then you are just like the people that contributed to this mess. So stay where you are please and thank you.
Complex problem? You do sound a lot like a zionist my dear. You act like there was not other option, but it was, and if you telling me you were dispensing the votes, how come an outsider like Zoran won? So people do know how to organize and fight, you just didn’t want to before. Kamala was a safe, “not challenging my history” candidate, and you were okay with it.
Bro, if this is the story you have to tell to be at peace with yourself and pretend to be the good guy, be my guest. I am just warning you, this is not how the rest of the world sees it.
Yes complex. If you can’t understand that this situation is complex, then you really need to hit the books more.
I’m so glad Mamdani won. I hope more like him come out and I get a chance to vote for him or someone like him on a national scale.
I’m no zionist. I hate israel and i die inside seeing the suffering they are causing and that my own fucking country blindly supports. I hate it and I hate that people like you can’t understand what it’s like to be stuck with no options to stopping it.
You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
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God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Genociders deserve death.
“There is no outward fascism” said the genocide voter. You’re an awful human being mate how do you live with yourself?
I know you’re prolly retarded but you know foreigners are human too, yes? 50000 death in gaza commited by your country, by the party you voted for. You’re a little subtwat, afraid for your own skin and not giving a shit about the consequences of your choice for people who aren’t lucky enough to be americans.
My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.
You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.
Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.
Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
You’re either a liar, or a fucking child. Enough of this bullshit. Liberal ideology has its problems, but its not a comparison to literal fucking fascists.
Bluemaga fascists have nothing left except insults. You people are literal fucking fascists
I’m starting to believe there are many zionist here posting as liberals just to not be covered by insults.
Bluemaga liberals are Zionists, ultimately
You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?
You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas
I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
I don’t even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
Now what?
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
Now let’s hope they give americans their own medecine.
Three years ago, israel used white phosphorus on civilians population. Those ammunitions were sold by the USA.
With a little bit of karma, Los angeles will get firebombed. Just imagine your bitch mum screaming as she’s trying to remove the napalm off what used to be her face, but you know that shit’s sticky lmao
Her fault for having poop’ed out a genocidal scum
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, “you all”? I’m not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
You are.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes.
The status quo included doing a Holocaust in Gaza.
He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be.
This was already happening under Biden, you are just a genocide supporter when it was your team doing it.
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
Less than a third want fascism
And yet both major parties are fascist
Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
This is big “Hitler made the trains run on time” energy.
Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.
No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.
Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money
I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.
Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
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I don’t think we have to issue death threats to liberals to get our point across.
You doing so are perpetuating the “tankie” stereotype.
Maybe imply it, but don’t Fed post.
People from countries who sent litteral tanks to gaza NOW lost the right to call anybody “tankies” lmao
Liberals are the tankies
True!
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The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck…
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
“The whole sale extermination of an entire race” is a little worse than “a punch in the mouth”.
There is genocide either way, this is more complex than one issue.
Oh? I thought there was just “a punch in the mouth”.
Phew. Good thing Trump won and the genocide ended.
Whataboutism
How is it whataboutism? It’s literally happening. It’s reality.
What exactly do you think whataboutism means?
The bulk of the genocide happened under the party you voted for, scumbag.
POS genocidal scum
Accorate comparaison.
Except it’s not you punched in the mouth it’s some guy the other side of the world. And the fist is white phosphorus bombs the americans sent.
So who care, right? I am an absolute piece of shit lmao
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn’t matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
Yes, I agree with that, how have you been lately
Meh 🤷♂️ living till I’m dying. Thx for asking !!! Have a nice day
Nice, it’s definitely a great day, I hope you are too, maybe we can talk
Why are separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.
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In fact it’s markedly worse under him.
No. It isn’t. You are just a genocide denier when it’s your team doing it.
This is more complex than one issue.
You have to truly souless to say this about an ongoing Holocaust.
Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
Yes it fucking is worse under Trump
Genocide. Denier.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true.
Yeah, it’s true because you’re a genocide apologist monster.
My friends died because of this fucking genocide
Can you imagine how sickened they’d be to see you engaging in genocide denial to support the people who helped kill them?
But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine.
You pretending it was acceptable when it was the Democrats doing it is monstrous.
But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
What Biden was doing in Gaza was one hundred percent “tyrannical fascism”, you just don’t care when it happens to foreigners. And the genocide wasn’t a single bit slower under Biden, you are just a genocide denier. If Harris has won, the situation in Gaza would be just as bad, and the only difference would be you would still be downplaying it.
What’s Trump done for you that you’re such a huge fan of his lmao
Harris actively supported Israels Holocaust and stated that she would continue to do so. We are not going to pretend we didn’t see what we saw just because the Democrat supporters are resorting to genocide denial.
And no, Israel doesn’t “buy a fucktonne of weapons” it is given them.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Your idea of perfection couldn’t run. After all, he’s the Israeli prime minister.
Fuck Bibi too, but “nothing will change” is a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in El Salvador.
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
Depends for who. It’s sure inconvenient for americans but for gazans at least there’s a justice.
Yes, I’m sure they love the acceleration your picture shows since January.
Actually no, doing a Holocaust is not “a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.”
Do you think Trump being in office somehow improved the situation in Gaza?
Whataboutism
The bulk of the genocide happened under the party you voted for asshole
Don’t bother. This guy doesn’t live in your reality.
Yeah, because your reality is one of genocide denial
Because he didn’t get the required lobotomy to register for ml.
A well crafted and witty retort indeed. Well done.
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
Oh, you didn’t get the memo? Everyone has always opposed Israel now.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
She actively and materially supported Israel. If liberals are going to resort to genocide denial when it’s your own team committing it, you’re no better than MAGA.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America
Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.
I bet you 1 million dollars your country is dependent on trade with America.
Yeah you guys made sure of that when you spied on our leaders, killed leftist politicians and did false flag attack to blame on the commies.
America won’t disappear because some elderly man is throwing tantrums every day.
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
If that’s all you think it is then you’ve been under a rock.
Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.
And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?
Basically.
You’re the type of guy that’s going to throw the biggest fit when things finally impact you lol
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
America won’t disappear in 6 months either even if you are right.
And the Earth won’t disappear if we do nothing about global warming. It will just become uninhabital for human life.
So sure, the land mass will still exist, but maybe raise the bar a little bit…
I mean, I know this isn’t the point, but humans won’t go extinct then either.
This resigned nihilism is why we’re here in this situation, wishing we could smack people like you through the screen somehow.
Right. There will be small desperate colonies trying to figure out how to survive underground/in space, but humans won’t be extinct.
Raise. The fucking. Bar. A little.
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Something will happen but honestly I have no idea what the “sides” will be.
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@grue Ok, I will remind you on Thursday Feb 5, 2026 at 10:14 PM UTC.
We started realizing it on Friday but then Mango Mussolini shot the messenger.
MAGAts are traitors so I would expect nothing less.
That was a very weird article…
To the point I googled the source and apparently it’s a 90 year old Maxist-Leninist newspaper. Which kind of explains the writing style and lack of sources.
They do have “left” lean, but it always feels off because those people also are super into authoritarianism. So it’s less about presenting enough for someone to understand and form an opinion, and more like telling their readers an opinion along with a few facts that were found after the fact to be used to defend it.
To be clear; Trump’s 1500% going to try and steal the election, but everyone already knows that. There is zero new information on the article and I’m pretty sure everyone that didn’t vote for trump has came to the same conclusion…
Marxist/Leninists writing just always gives me something like the uncanny valley feeling. I don’t care how it’s dressed up, or if the person speaking/writing agrees with my existing opinion, I can’t fucking stand them. I guess it’s “the ick”
Better sources have been covering all of this for months already.
Good news, you’ll never have to feel the ick of an equitable economy or being part of a society that the wellbeing of its citizenry over quarterly GDP here in the west.
Phew amirite? Enjoy capitalist paradise!
Nah. I’m an actual communist
My policy positions make Vladimir Lenin look like Hillary Clinton.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism, which is the worst part about trump too.
Does it make sense now?
I think authoritarianism is bad, and even if an authoritarian agrees with me on every aspect of policy, I’ll never be on their side.
It’s a difference at a fundamental level.
Anything like anarcho-syndicalism?
Not even sure what that is, but anyone wanti g anarchism likely doesn’t know what that means.
Like, if there’s anarcho-luddittes out there who thinks we should completely destroy society and go back to living in the forest in tribes of ~150 people…
I wouldnt agree with them that it’s the best path, but I wouldn’t consider them hypocritical because at least they understand where anarchism would lead and are being honest about it
For everything else with “anarcho” tacked on the front, I feel it’s safe to say I’d disagree with them without looking into what they’re about.
I did go ahead and Google that before hitting reply, just to be safe since I honestly hadn’t heard that term before.
And that’s just putting trade unions in charge, which would end up the same as any other ruling class.
I’m saying there shouldn’t be a ruling class at all.
Claims to be a communist, but has no clue about anarchists. Many of whom are actual communist/Marxist. Sure buddy, you’re a super mega communist.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures, achieved through the power of worker-led trade unions BTW.
Oh yes that old capitalist Chestnut smearing the ludites. Very communist of you. Do you know who the Luddites were? How based they were? Do you understand how badly we actually need luddites right now?
You would really do yourself a service, not by reading dense tomes of theory. But by reading a few freaking basic paragraphs of description on a Wikipedia page.
Thank you for taking up this discussion. I am not able to make long posts at this time. I appreciate you.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union…
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Are you even in a union? Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union.
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Even if it did it would literally be better than what we have now. But no that’s incorrect. It’s literally about doing away with what is considered the top. And replacing it with local answerable flat representation. Using the power of labor and the Unions to achieve that for Syndicalists. Or by other means for the other subset of anarchists, direct action etc.
Are you even in a union?
SEIU, mother was with the teamsters and my father with the pipelines.
Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Yes, and? So are you advocating to abolish unions just like the capitalists? Not even the nutty Leninist do that. They just rig things to get their puppets in place. Corruption can happen anywhere, with anyone. Corruption isn’t an inherent feature of unions.
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
You don’t underestimate others. You far overestimate yourself. The whole point of anarchism. From the most extreme to the most milquetoast. Is literally doing away with those unanswerable hierarchy protected leaders. Flat, local, minimal governance of the consenting. Nothing more, nothing less.
It’s got nothing to do with your other straw man of destroying society. Nothing at all. It’s about not having a fascistic national federal government forcing their whims down your throat through a monopoly on violence. It’s about some shit head governor who’s never been to your town and doesn’t give a shit about your town not being able to do the same to your town. It’s about those who actually use the means of production having a say on them. It’s about you and your neighbors deciding the rules you live by. And not someone that you have no say in at the state or federal level.
If you actually were a communist, you’d understand this. Especially if you were anti-authoritarian. Most anti-authoritarian communist realistically are going to tend to align anarcho communist. The sad thing is though. I think you are actually capable of understanding this. But contrary to the username you’ve chosen you actually just don’t give a shit.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism
So you’re an “actual communist” who never bothered to actually read anything Marx or Engels wrote.
Can you link the better sources?
The two big things it references:
Save act:
The SAVE Act would require that individuals registering to vote show “documentary proof of United States citizenship,” including when they re-register after moving to a new state.
https://www.factcheck.org/2025/02/will-save-act-prevent-married-women-from-registering-to-vote/
And an EO from 3/25 (that they didn’t provide the name of:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a sweeping executive action to overhaul U.S. elections, including requiring documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections and demanding that all ballots be received by Election Day
https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-3-25-2025
They both do the same thing, and happened months ago…
But to be fair, I often overestimate how much a random person remembers. They’re not wrong with their opinion on what all this means.
It’s just the way they present it often feels too much like trump for the average person to listen.
Because of all the reasons I said in the last comment.
Anyone who is surprised hasn’t been paying attention.
The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.
I’d be an ‘optimist’ if I could catch up with them, but they are moving the goal posts too fast.
Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy planning to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.
So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.
Thanks for asking.
Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.
its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.
Its like climate change.
Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that’s effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.
its hard to mention anything he is not making worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.
Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.
As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.
nah, it’s over. It was gg for elections in November, and so many people like you didn’t realize this. It’s to late to prevent this. All we can do now is rebuild.
We realize and so do you since you talk of rebuilding.
If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.
Unless the democracy has systemic flaws that allow it to be captured by minority rule, and that minority voting block disenfranchises enough of the opposition to take all power from the majority.
This wasn’t a democracy in anything more than name before the election.
Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.
And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.
Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.
An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.
An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).
Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.
not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous
It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.
Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.
Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.
You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.
No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
[citation needed]
That’s right, if it’s allowed to happen, it’s pretty hard to come back from that
It has always been a dictatorship of the rich.
This is just taking the mask off.
“How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”
All Biden needed to do was have Trump assassinated - as an official presidential action, it would have been perfectly legal according to Trump’s precedent.
Follow that up with a “Y’all see why this is maybe not the greatest idea to give the ol’ prez this much power? Repeal it, then I’ma fuck off to some beach somewhere.”
Boom. Democracy saved, all without breaking the law.
Not sure I get it, but user name do indeed check out.
Probably the pertinent bit: “Sulla revived the office of dictator, which had been dormant since the Second Punic War, over a century before. He used his powers to purge his opponents (“Sulla’s proscription”), and reform Roman constitutional laws, to restore the primacy of the Senate and limit the power of the tribunes of the plebs. Resigning his dictatorship in 79 BC, Sulla retired to private life and died the following year. Later political leaders such as Julius Caesar followed the precedent set by Sulla with his military coup to attain political power through force.”
Dude made himself dictator, reformed laws, purged his political rivals then gave it all up to go live in his villa once he felt he’d achieved his goals of putting the republic back on the rails. Julius Caesar later remarked that the one mistake Sulla made was that he gave up the power he had seized.
How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.
Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. It’s illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it’s illegal to provide a better service than the government.
Uh huh.
This, but unironically.
What a stupid argument. Like Biden refusing to cede power to an elected opponent wouldn’t be one of the largest abuses of power in US history.
It would.
It would also be several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump’s done.
OMG no 🤣. It would have sent the nation into chaos!
Which would have been several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump has done (which includes sending the nation into chaos anyway).
blue maga is ridiculous. 🙄
I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.
I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
The most prominent feature of Bidens administration was it’s wholesale rejection of global rule of law in support of genocide.
global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Why would the globe want to restore the “democracy” that kept bombing them?
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.
Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)
I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself
You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.
US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.
Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.
when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
That’s pure cope.
Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.
He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.
To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.
However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.
The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.
I think it is because you can’t reason with these idiot fascists, but we could have reasoned with Biden.
biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
