I wouldn’t say he was murdered. He considered himself to be a culture warrior and when a warrior falls in battle, even if it’s a most pointless battle standing on the wrong side of history, it’s generally not considered murder.
I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
That’s what they definitely want, but keep in mind, there’s two outcomes for them: one, you try to hold moral superiority and succumb once again to justifying their victim narratives and allowing them to change the discourse, or two, which they will still claim regardless, that you fight back and they have an additional excuse they would have manufactured regardless.
Anywhere in the world and even in the US’ own history, when things get bad enough, you have to recognize you will never get through the mental gymnastics and that you are under a regime that’s only going to get worse. And yes, that certain people are going to try to benefit from that instability and perhaps are even forcing it, but also that sometimes the only answer is to get ahead of the road they’ve paved so you can change the course faster and sooner than they would have expected. Not doing so or even fighting against the people actually resisting against the regime due to your own superiority complex is what has ended cementing dictatorships instead of powering successful revolutions back into democracies.
so does this mean that any maggot who says they feel for his family or friends or colleagues, are really just liberal cucks in disguise?
Sure enough. Probably on soros payroll too.
Billy Joel was finally wrong: not only the good die young.
I can’t believe he was only 31. Like he didn’t seem that young at all to me
He was permanently deported to the afterlife.
Plenty of people have been deported much worse places based on his brand of rhetoric.
Ma’at hasn’t spoken yet.
If so then he is sucking hitlers dick as we speak.
Even better & since the afterlife is made-up bullshit, he was deleted from existence! And the world is a better place without him.
I mean, I wouldn’t say “don’t celebrate it” but just because someone else is a piece of shit isn’t a blank check for you* to be a piece of shit.
*Collective “you”
Schadenfreude.
There’s a difference between being an asshole and being an asshole while monetizing it and corrupting the next generation.
Even the CEO guy who got Luigi’d was not as bad as Charlie Kirk in my eyes, he just made evil decisions for profit
Charlie Kirk exported his evil. Taught kids how to be evil. To be all manner of phobic. To hate. He actively worked to make the world a worse place
Fuck him
Exactly. I’ve been saying this all day, but we literally hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of incitement to genocide.
he fomented, and encouraged hate+ violence amongst susceptible incel population, hes culpable.
Quick note to say legally speaking Nuremberg trials were kangaroo courts, and many prosecutors and judges were uneasy about the whole thing because many of the offences were not illegal in the Third Reich, and international law wasn’t yet developed enough to make them offences in a wider sense. That said, Nazis deserved a comeuppance and subsequently international laws were made more useful. But Nuremberg should never be held as the gold standard of jurisprudence. They were a starting point and we should always aim higher. People can look to The Hague for more effective and legally sound judgements on the matters of war crimes and human rights violations.
Why were they kangaroo courts? They were established by an International Charter.. You can point out that the Nazi’s crimes weren’t illegal under German law, but who cares? Multiple jurisdictions can exist simultaneously. Sure there’s an element of ex post facto in making crimes against humanity a legal charge after the fact, but the ex post facto protections are something we democratically agreed to adopt. And maybe we can just agree to not let genocide be subject to ex post facto protections under international treaty. Yes, this was all just made up by people, but ultimately all laws and legal systems were first dreamed up by people doing a lot of improvisation.
I don’t like the tone of that. If some dude peddling bullshit gets what he deserves, I don’t see the reason not to relish in it even a little. This guy has been an oppressive POS who’s rhetoric is celebrated by Neo Nazis. That’s like saying, “just cuz hitler died doesn’t mean you get to say mean things.”
Look, I know we all struggle to maintain morality against our emotions, but, sometimes, the reaction is perfectly valid.
I’m not celebrating his death, I’m celebrating the fact that he will no longer be calling for violence. Don’t see how that makes me the bad guy
If we’re both celebrating, it makes no difference to me.
I respect the dead the same way Hoots and Caelan Conrad do. I wonder if small face man from Toilet Paper USA will get an episode.
With you. We can’t sit here and make fun of him for thinking so poorly of empathy while refusing to show any empathy. He was a piece of trash and needed to be taken out like one, but I’m not going to throw a party over it. It’s a “you gotta do what you gotta do” situation.
Having empathy is having the ability to see someone’s emotions and understand things from their point of view. Calling someone out for being am unpathetic POS doesn’t preclude you from being empathetic. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to abide evil.
I feel more similarly to when you hear about exotic game hunters getting killed by the endangered animals they were hunting.
This got seems like a huge piece of crap, but I don’t take joy in this. But after all I’ve read he’s said today, yeah, not surprised at all.
I worry this is the start of something bigger though that will be terrible for everyone.
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not convinced it did happen. His last words were literally making light of gun violence. If I read this in a book, I’d say it was too on-the-nose
We have no clue how long the shooter was zeroed in. It’s entirely possible they chose the funniest moments to pull the trigger.
It was all set up. The person who asked the question, before the universe just throw a bullet at Charlie Kirk.
In infinite universe theory, there are nearly infinite timelines where this didn’t happen. We’re finally entering the good timeline.
The universe didn’t do it. The universe and I were doing a LOTR directors cut marathon all day today.
Damn. I didn’t know the universe was a LoTR fan.
Shooter was standing there for an hour going
“well I gotta do it now then”
This timeline’s scriptwriter has been phoning it in for years.
Seemed like it was more in the neck to me
“I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure” - Clarence Darrow
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Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
The world is just a little better today.
Overall it still sucks, but it’s nice to know good things still happen once in a while.
I’m savoring it, as things are bound to get worse. The right produces too many directed nutters.
Yeah we merged onto the highway to hell in November… Things were always going to get worse. It’s nice to have the occasional shining moment though.
This will directly lead to things getting worse. The right will be mobilized by the martyr, is my fear.
Nah…I don’t think so
Political violence is a symptom. There’s been tons of political violence, this time they aimed low on the totem pole and got away clean
We were already here. Nothing has changed. It’s been done to the left, now the right has lost someone after numerous attempts
They already were trying to do authoritarian crackdowns, it wasn’t working. Now they’re afraid, and probably more likely to make even more mistakes
Yeah, it’s definitely going to happen. Which is hilarious, that some hateful douchebag will cause the deaths of thousands in death, but would also have caused the deaths of thousands in life. Anyway, Europe’s still looking nice. Canada’s definitely getting caught in this shit
Typical lib take.
Things are already getting worse, the right is already mobilised and in control, the military patrols your streets, secret police snatch up people, and innocent people are dying because of clowns like Charlie.
They don’t need a false flag to do what they’re already fucking doing.
Resistance is the only path to freedom.
I suppose you’re right. However, I have no doubts that the administration will use this to hasten their authoritarian processes .
I bet the world moves on in a week
Maybe it wasn’t murder. Maybe it was just an accident. There were probably lots of guns on campus, after all open carry is legal on campus’ in UT, as I understand. Let’s not prejudge the guy, he deserved a fair trial.
The whole concept of having that fascist there and treating his appearance as some sort of festive event, on a university of all places, is just so bizarre to me. And then this “open carry campus” nonsense.
It sounds like UT is just a fascist breeding ground.
His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many”
He was corrected, the number is 5.
He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)
He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can’t do the math, though, I’m no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don’t apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don’t even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
Just some good old racism
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
Now that you mention it, this seems most likely.
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetizing that shit.
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
acceptable
I bdt he was pretty piseed he had to dog-whistle it.
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As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
Yeah, like less than a second after he says violence is a sudden and absurd amount of gore
A full on tarintino, some would say
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it too traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine
I saw it unintentionally and it was horrifying. It’s always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
You’re desensitized to violence. Not something to be proud of or encourage 😟
Do you say the same to those somehow still supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza when there is vastly more grotesque footage? Or for the slaughtering and rapping in Ukraine with now years of footage? Or those enabling the children being blasted away in schools across the us on a daily basis? 🧐
Yes, as the decensitivation is a necessary element for the continuation of the violence
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
He died doing what he loved
Hating.
Lying for money. I hope he saved enough for his family
I do unironically feel bad for his kids, even if they may grow up better without him they still watched their dad get ganked in public. Note they were with him at the time.
I did not know that… That sucks
And I wasn’t being ironic either. I hope his ill gotten gains are enough for his kids to be ok… The damage he did collecting it will never equal what he squirreled away, but hopefully it at least is enough for his kids to grow up with food and therapists
That’s my take as well, right now they need comfort food and a highly respected trauma therapist. Maybe keep them away from crowds for awhile as well, who knows what issues will start to manifest in the coming days/weeks/months/years.
You’re looking to feel sad for someone because a violemce happened, but this wasn’t bad.
Feel sad for his victims, cry with joy for those who now won’t be, or shut the hell up and enjoy your sippy cup of champaigne.
I feel bad for his kids, actually.
They’ll likely be raised to think their father was a martyr, so the poor things (like 1 and 3 years) will probably grow up in the alt-right-o-sphere where their dad was a martyr to the cause.
That’s very sad. They’ll likely won’t have had a chance.
I do too… But I wouldn’t say they don’t stand a chance
Their dad got shot while encouraging gun violence. That might instill some strong opinions in them
The kind of strong opinions that will likely be buried and come out later in therapy
But it could go either way
Depends. I expect his wife is just as alt-right-addled as he was, which might mean she’ll raise them to be little Nazis. I guess they might break out of that, and I hope so, but being raised alt-right with a prominent martyr to the cause as your father could seriously fuck you up. Don’t forget they’re very rich, so they’re insulated from the real world.
I mean you might be right, but I imagine the martyr thing could go either way
Just putting myself in their shoes, it probably won’t feel nice having their dad constantly praised for doing what they saw him die doing
Plus, Charlie Kirk was more hated than loved. There’s no putting them so deep in a bubble that they aren’t confronted with that fact
Kids tend to either follow or reject their parents beliefs… I’m not sure what this kind of trauma does to that, but I’ll bet it’ll make it more extreme
His last word was “violence”.
It’s beautiful
It’s poetic.
And isn’t it poetic?
Don’t you think?It’s like rain on that assholes birthday
It’s a free ride when they’ve already paid
It’s the gun shot that you just took to the neck And who would’ve thought? It figuresIf some historian a hundred years from now or whatever wants to say this moment represented a real turning point, please don’t
This is the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen, bar none.
Make Fascists Afraid Again.
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
Maybe he was waiting for Chuck to say a number. But chuck was too slippery. One last owning of the libs, right before he was triggered. 😇
I’m guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. 😂 Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
unless you use it as a overgeneral brush, and fill it with only minorities, and use it as a short hand for black people like it’s used in this context. are you a native english speaker?
dog whistles specifically use words with a cover meaning and the group agrees to internally change its meaning.
He didn’t use “gang violence” as short hand for “black violence.” That wouldn’t make sense in the context of mass shootings. He said “Counting or not counting gang violence?” more as a shorthand for “Are we counting criminals killing each other?” Whether it’s hispanic, white, or black gangs isn’t very relevant.
Gangs contribute to the majority of designated “mass shootings,” and are often excluded from conversations that want to focus on innocent victims of mass shooting as opposed to cases of criminals killing each other. After all, if all mass shootings were just gangsters shooting each other, people wouldn’t care nearly as much as they do now. They care about the mass shootings that don’t involve gangs.
EDIT: Seems like many sources explicitly exclude gang violence in their stats. So my statement may be incorrect that gangs contribute to “designated” mass shootings as they are not designation such by many sources.
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Okay, second-best time. 😂
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
these are actually useful though
GOP heard they’d be getting tots and are trying to hide their disappointment that you meant the potato product.
dude it’s tots how are you sad? get me some franks red hot it’s happy time
This is genuinely the first time in a long time that the news has brought me genuine joy. I don’t give a fuck, but I am angry at him and people like him for being so shitty that it makes me feel joy at their deaths. This is on you bitch.
Have you tried therapy? Enjoying murder is horrific
enjoying his murder is part of our therapy
Yeah, murder is horrific. I don’t enjoy the fact that he was murdered; I feel joy at the fact that he can no longer spread his toxic filth anymore.
I’m laughing at the song choices being posted on the music community.
Golden Earring - Twilight Zone for the lyrics
“Where am I to go now that I’ve gone too far? Soon, you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone”
Utah Saints - Something Good, for the hilarious, to me, coincidence between the song title, the band name and the location of the event
*NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye, need I say more
U2 - Bullet the Blue Sky
You plant a demon seed
You raise a flower of fire
Man, I haven’t thought about Heaven 17 in decades. My favorite lyric of theirs was “brothers, sisters, we don’t need that fascist groove thing”. I remember liking them in the '80s but thinking that their political stance was pretty over the top and that things weren’t really that bad in the world. How wrong I was.
Fun fact: the band took their name from a fictional group that was referenced in A Clockwork Orange.
