UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot outside NYC hotel in 'premeditated, preplanned targeted attack'
www.nbcnews.com
Brian Thompson, 50, was outside the hotel on Sixth Avenue when the suspect shot him in the chest and leg around 6:45 a.m.
  • JonsJava@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Locking. About 50 reports. I’m a volunteer, and don’t have enough time for this.

  • 🌱 🐄🌱 @lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    2 years ago

    “calls for violence in any form against any living creature” are a violation of lemmy.world terms of service. Comments calling for or celebrating violence will be removed, and may result in additional moderation actions

    • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
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      2 years ago

      There’s a distinction between ending evil and ending life. The former is worthy of celebration whether or not the latter overlaps with it.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator
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      2 years ago

      I completely understand the “calling for violence” part of the rules. The celebrating part is a bit much, though.

    • extremeboredom@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Did you read this comment or apply any thought before you hit post? “Against any living thing” is so hilariously broad it makes me wonder if you’re just trolling.

    • eran_morad@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator
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      2 years ago

      You’re just power tripping. I saw the comments. You are clearly incapable of discerning calls for violence or celebration from various other sentiments. It’s pathetic. This is some Reddit-type shit.

      • kava@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots. the internet today isn’t the same as the internet 15 years ago

        the rules aren’t because the mods care very much. the rules are so than the website doesn’t get taken down and/or the owners/maintainers aren’t subject to serious legal penalties

        • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots.

          The only thing I ever saw about people online being sent to jail were these two .

          Parlour, of Seacroft, Leeds, who called for an attack on a hotel housing refugees and asylum seekers on Facebook, became the first person to be jailed for stirring up racial hatred during the disorder.

          Kay was convicted after he used social media to call for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight.

          So if you consider that ‘too enthusiastic’ I uh… have a different definition of that.

          • kava@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            there were 6 arrests for social media crimes, including the one for the woman who actually kicked off the protests by sharing a fake name about the kid who attacked the concert

            but that’s beyond the point. let’s look at the comment for Kay, one that you mentioned, that caught a sentence of 38 months

            “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it”

            that’s the portion that says he “called for hotels to be set alight”

            see, to my interpretation he was saying “i would not care if they set fire to the hotels”. in the US, this would be very strongly covered under free speech. why? because it’s an opinion. in the US you can say “I believe that [xyz] should happen” and that is a belief. an opinion- something that cannot be censored. in the UK, not so much. but even in the US, you could be held legally responsible in some way depending on the interpretation of the law

            and likewise, the platform hosting that controversial speech can face legal consequences. from serious fines to potentially even criminal charges depending on the enthusiasm of the government. (governments that are getting progressively more authoritarian and trigger-happy the world over)

            the point I was trying to convey is that a website like this instance of Lemmy or any other must follow rules in order to stay out of legal hot water. how can you fault them for that?

            if you believe this is not the correct thing to do, then you can pay money to host a website and then you can put your ass in front of the ringer to handle potential legal consequences for not doing your part to stop it. i don’t fault the mods in the slightest.

            just for reference though, let’s compare and contrast the comment that got Kay arrested and put in jail and then some comments in this thread

            a lot of comments in this thread are being deleted, let me see if i can catch some before they are deleted

            “This bit of news does not bother me at all”

            “I mean, I thought we were gonna eat the rich, but this will do.”

            “this will probably lead to the increased militarisation [sic] of ceo security teams. People can start going after their family”

            using the same level of scrutiny, each one of these comments could justify a sentence in the ballpark of 38 months like what happened with Kay

            this is what i mean. the internet today is changing and social media admins need to change with the times or the hammer of the law can screw them. users here spamming about mod abuse do not fully understand

            • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              He also said “every man and his dog should smash [the] f*** out of Britannia hotel (in Leeds)”, then he took his posts and:

              After being warned by another Twitter user that he could be jailed, Kay tweeted: “I can categorically tell you now, I will not be arrested by Northants Police.”

              During the posts, Kay said he was a Reform voter, accused police of two-tier policing and told someone who said the screenshot and posts could land him in jail that they were delusional.

              He also copied Northamptonshire Police into one of the messages after being warned he could face court action by another user.

              He didn’t just go to jail for a couple posts, he made a bunch of them and then after being warned they were illegal forwarded them to the police.

              This guy is a dangerous if moronic racist, and really only has himself to blame.

              You’re talking about being ‘silenced’ as if it’s being done by some monolithic organization; it’s not a government action, they can make whatever rules they want. You are free to make your own instance with your own rules.

          • NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            Depends on where you live. There’s a very similar case in Germany from 2 years ago compared to what’s going on now.

            In Germany a cop was murdered and someone posted on Facebook: “Not a single second of silence for these creatures.”

            The courts have ruled that even “liking” a comment/post like that could be a crime.

            https://winfuture.de/news,131418.html

            Edit: since the post is locked…

            Ah, sorry about that, I figured that you would use some translator tool on it if you wanted to verify my source.

            I ran it through a few different ones but DeepL seemed to handle it best:

            Tap for full translation.
            Court rules that likes on social media can already be a criminal offense

            Social media has been nothing new for a long time, yet courts are still dealing with issues related to it. Or rather: hate speech is and remains a huge issue. Now comes a question: is a simple “like” already punishable?

            Yes, at least according to the Meiningen Regional Court. In a recently published decision, the regional court found that even a like can be a punishable offense. Specifically, this is the case if the liked post contains punishable content.

            The case in question is the double murder of a police officer in the district of Kusel at the beginning of the year. At the time, a hunter and poacher reacted to a vehicle stop with lethal force. The crime was also a major topic on social media, with an overwhelming majority of people expressing shock at this double murder.

            But not exclusively: one Facebook user wrote in a post “Not a single second of silence for these creatures”. At least one user liked this post and for the Meiningen public prosecutor’s office this was already a criminal offense (it is not known whether and how the original author is being investigated, but it can be assumed).

            According to the Berlin criminal and media lawyer Ehssan Khazaeli, who was commissioned by the accused, the Facebook user had “made himself liable to prosecution both for denigrating the memory of deceased persons under Section 189 StGB and for rewarding and approving criminal acts under Section 140 StGB”, as the lawyer writes in a blog post (via Tarnkappe).

            Is a “like” already “condoning”? An extensive search was carried out against the person who pressed the “Like” button, and the authorities gained access to the accused’s home, vehicle and cloud storage. Khazaeli criticized the decision: “By liking a post, it remains clear that it is the post of another person - there can be no question of ‘taking ownership’,” said the lawyer.

            Khazaeli went on to say that a like is not a “personal mental statement”, and certainly not an endorsement of a crime. “The post is linked to the culture of mourning and the funeral service for the two police officers, not to the murder as such. You can and should find that distasteful, but it is not relevant under criminal law,” says Ehssan Khazaeli.

            The lawyer intends to lodge a constitutional complaint against the decision in the coming months: “It’s not about the individual case, but about the fundamental question of whether simply liking something on social media can be a criminal offense.”

            • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              I don’t speak German, but it sounds like what happened is that a lawyer pointed out that liking that post could be illegal under new laws, and is trying to get it struck down. So yes ‘could’ is carrying a lot of weight in this case.

              And to be clear I’m as left as possible and anti-authoritarian, I just fail to see how being a massive racist and calling for people to be killed (and how to hide your identity, in posts following it) and then forwarding those messages to the police is somehow a Big Brother situation.

        • intresteph@discuss.online
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          2 years ago

          Name a lemmy instance that was taken down because people expressed happiness at corporate shill executions. Heck, name any shut down by a government entity for anything.

        • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Spare me, they’re being way more liberal with comments on Bluesky and they are far bigger than Lemmy.

          You and the mods just want to protect rich people from group consensus about them being terrible.

          Your paranoia about a slippery slop to violence is very transparent.

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Any living creature can’t be the standard. That’s just absurdly Broad. By this argument you can’t have cooking communities. In any form against any living creature? I can’t cut down a tree on this website apparently.

    • pdxfed@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Super disappointed mods can’t parse people not being surprised or feeling something was deserved as a consequence of their actions, and advocating the violence.

      My comment that got removed was “can’t imagine why this happened”, which neither calls for, nor celebrates violence, but expresses that the conditions leading to such an action, in our dystopian US are predictable, have happened before countless times in history all over the world.

      The inability to acknowledge the fault of the powerful actors and system that created such conditions and utter lack of consequences for the rich and powerful in the US are what caused such responses for an agreeably horrific act. The issue that won’t go away, on Lemmy or anywhere else, and oversimplifying the above to “advocating violence” is disingenuous if deliberate, and idiotic if accidental.

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I used bleach on my countertops this morning killing millions of bacteria. Put me in Lemmy Jail.

  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Thompson, who was named CEO in April 2021, was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai West.

    Good thing he had health insurance for his stay at Mount Sinai; some aren’t so lucky thanks to worthless puddles of filth like this.

    Edit: Zero sympathy. Negative sympathy, even.

    • Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io
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      2 years ago

      Link above to ARS Technica article titled: UnitedHealth uses AI model with 90% error rate to deny care, lawsuit alleges.

  • recapitated@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    It should go without saying that such violence is not good and not supportable.

    That said, I also think those who make monopolistic fortunes off the sick while also dictating refusal of care to the sick are categorically not civilians. It is what it is.

    • Coreidan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Guillotines and the French Revolution disagrees with you. But good on you to pat yourself on the back with your superior morals.

      • recapitated@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        I don’t know if it’s morals, I just don’t have the stomach for violence. That’s kind of a weird thing to say to a person anyway.

        • Coreidan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          I just don’t have the stomach for violence

          That’s exactly what rich people are counting on. They want you to roll over and take it up the ass.

          The freedoms you have today were obtained through bloodshed. So I’m not really sure what point you’re making other then you’re not willing to fight for anything.

          So you’d rather give up on everything and fight for nothing. Nice dude.

          • recapitated@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            Interesting, are you recruiting me to do something specific with you? Or should we just keep discussing how it’s immoral not to do violence on an extremely public forum?

    • Tikiporch@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I almost commented that UnitedHealthcare doesn’t have a monopoly, but that’s really only true at a national level. In some US states, they’re the only option.

      The disgusting profits are a product the health insurance industry, they only make money by denying coverage. It’s an environment that encourages human suffering.

  • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
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    2 years ago

    Unfortunately, rather than distribute his pay and bonuses and benefits in order to provide a living wage for hospital staff, the rest of the upper management will have a benefits-cutting contest to decide which one of their own to elevate.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    i mean of course people will eventually get so mad at ceo types to do things like this.

    killing them individually like this won’t fundamentally change things though, even if we get a little schadenfraude.

    in addition to this, organize and collectivize that anger and we got ourselves real change.

    • wpb@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      If 1000 people up and decided to do this, I think the world would be a much brighter place.

  • Donebrach@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    A loss I will not mourn. I also extend no sympathy to his family. This man engaged in some of the most evil activity humanity has ever perpetrated—profiting on human suffering.

    • JonsJava@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Class traitor?

      For upholding the rules equally?

      I don’t like rich people, but glorifying murder is still glorifying murder.

      Fuck off.