To add insult to injury, what they call it, Deutschland, sounds like what we should call Netherlands
Just wait til’ you hear about what they call Japan in Japan.
Nihon-koku or Nippon-koku
ni!
Take it up with your ancestors (or the English, if you have no English ancestors yourself). They started calling the Dutch “Dutch” when people in what is today The Netherlands and Germany were both called deutsch/dutch, and the English didn’t care to adjust when the distinction started to matter/people from the Netherlands stopped calling themselves deutsch/dutch.
But Germans are not much better, it’s absurd that Italian city names that aren’t at all hard to pronounce for Germans have different names in German, e.g. Torino, Milano, Roma (Turin, Mailand, Rom), and we also call Japan “Japan”, even though Japanese is one of the few languages that uses a word for Germany that is derived from “Deutschland” and “Nippon” isn’t hard to pronounce for Germans, either.
Also, the saxons never lived in the area of the German federal state of Saxony.
Those are good points but Torino as Turin is complicated, some folks there still call it that in dialect etc. and historically, run by the Lombards and all that.
English is terrible at this, Venice is Venezia, if you can say pizza you can say that.
“Venedig” in German, even though they literally use (almost) the same sound for z as Italian …
“Nippon” isn’t hard to pronounce for Germans, either.
I don’t know about that. Even if Germans are not shy of pronouncing letters wrongly (using V as F for instance), the P in Nippon makes no sense in German. It would have to be spelled with an H to make the right sound.
OK. German has an H (same as English, which makes it weird that it’s written with a P in the first place) and isn’t shy about spelling reforms, either.
But Germans are not much better, it’s absurd that Italian city names that aren’t at all hard to pronounce for Germans have different names in German, e.g. Torino, Milano, Roma (Turin, Mailand, Rom), …
Nobody is better. All languages do this to an extent. The Germanized city names especially in Northern Italy also stem from the fact that they used to be under Austrian control and they claim to speak German too.
All languages do this to an extent.
Exactly. In Spanish, we have some ‘curious’ names for Germany and its states and cities. «Alemania» is the name of the country. «Renania-Palatinado» is Rheinland-Pfalz, Bayern got turned into «Baviera». «Colonia» is Köln, «Friburgo de Brisgovia» is Freiburg im Brisgau…
Austrians are just as able as BRD Germans to pronounce something like Milano, though.
You are assuming that the name as it is in Italian today has always been the same and it isn’t. Both Milano and Mailand are linguistic descendants of the name whichever people who first set up shop there spoke and decided to call the place. And that wasn’t anywhere close to modern Italian. They are both valid.
English ditches the o and has Florence on the books as well. Geographical names follow no logical rule. Most are just historical accidents, some historical crimes. This is more in the former category if you ask me.
Cologne, Munich, Brussels, Naples, The Hague … It’s everywhere.
I say we should go the Belarus route.
I look forward to renaming virtually everything in the Americas.
It wouldn’t really make sense to use different names than the current locals, though.
Who decided that it wouldn’t make sense?
You’re entitled to your incredibly ridiculous opinion.
Also, the saxons never lived in the area of the German federal state of Saxony.
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Guess what? The modern state of Saxony (aka Upper Saxony, Obersachsen) is not even contiguous with the state of Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen). They’re separated by nearly 300 km.
Although to be somewhat fair they are connected by Sachsen-Anhalt. And basically all of northern Germany was at one point called Saxony (“Old Saxony”, Altesachsen), at least by some others in the first millennium.
Of course history is funny; The lands of Upper Saxony weren’t part of the medieval Duchy of Saxony that followed, despite eventually taking the name (via “Electorate of Saxony” and then “Kingdom of Saxony”).
But anyway the “Anglo-Saxons” were probably really from Denmark and northern Schleswig-Holstein. The southern parts of their region might’ve been called Saxony at the time.
(I’m mostly posting this because I wanted to figure it all out)
Plus the true downgrade of Firenze to “Florence.”
Florenz, but yeah
Do you perhaps mean “Florenz”?
No, in Italian, the city’s name is Firenze, which is much cooler IMO than nasal EN/DE Florence. Which, TIL, is from the Latin Florenti, as in “Florentine” as the ajdectival form.
What’s “Florenz”?
What’s “Florenz”?
It’s Firenze in German.
Naples? Rome? Venice?
Czech: Neapol, Řím, Benátky.
Those have more straightforward transliterations. But where the fuck does the L even come from?
Firenze was also the art and culture capitol of Europe for quite some time, so this isn’t some backwater town. It’s like the CCP telling people that New York is now officially called “Not Yoodle” in Chinese.
Florence comes from the Latin name of the city Florentia.
TIL
Napoli. Roma. Venezia.
Having to learn new names for countries and cities is one of the worst parts of learning a second language.
lol it’s not by far
I speak two languages so yes, i’d say it really is. Some spanish place names are completely different than english ones and trying to dredge them up in conversation can be tedious if you don’t often use them.
But keep downvoting people you mildly disagree with. It really improves the platform and discussions. /s
Cool beans, I speak three languages and there’s no way you believe that some arbitrary vocabulary is harder than grammatical finesses, or some outrageous slang, or idioms/shibboleths.
Maybe you aren’t “speaking” that second language as well as you think?
Also, imagine caring about votes 😂 it’s not a disagree button, Brudi. But your high effort post probably deserves all the updoots.
“/s” 🤣 holy Moses, Reddit is leaking hard.
I’m glad accounts like yours out themselves so early after joining. Makes you easier to block.
Keep questioning peoples lived experiences. I’m sure you’ll make lots of friends that way. /s
I won’t be responding as i’ve blocked you.
Well Germans kind of were the Holy Roman Empire so in my books they can call those cities in italy what ever they fancy.
IIRC Germany is named weirdly different around the world with names stemming from several roots.
Deutschland, Germany, Alemania, Nemezky, Saksa,…
i really wonder where you are from
There’s many such examples, just off the top of my head: Hungary, Finland, Greece, Georgia, Egypt and Japan.
They call pedo paradise america. Isn’t that crazy?
Hungary for some reason keeps surprising me. I know that fact, I just keep forgetting it.
Morocco (al-Maghrib “The West”), India (Bharat named after a legendary king), China (Zhōngguó 中国 “Middle Country”). There are probably several more…
I always thought that India uses both Bharat and India with English still an official language. Has the current government made the switch to only using Bharat?
India is the official name. I think Bharat or Hindustan is commonly used tho as folks speak in their local languages instead of English typically. I could be wrong. Worth noting that Hindustan would basically translate to “India” or Land of the Indus River.
As someone from Czech Republic, I am not surprised. There are sometimes huge differences between country names in czech and English. And the closer the country is, the bigger the difference.
For the German speaking countries eng - ger - cze:
Germany - Deutschland - Německo
Austria - Österreich - Rakousko
Switzerland - Sweiz - Švýcarsko
Other examples (eng - cze):
Czech - Česko
Slovakia - Slovensko
Slovenia - Slovinsko
Greece - Řecko
Georgia - Gruzie
Spain - Španělsko
Greenland - Grónsko
Hungary - Maďarsko
Croatia - Chorvatsko
Saksa in finnish. And Finland is Suomi in finnish.
Or Németország in Hungarian. And Hungary is Magyarország in Hungarian. Ország just means country, so they’re just “German country” and “Hungarian country”, literally.
Most slavic countries also call Germany Německo or the like.
This happens when there’s no fast global media when you meet a new nation, and you can’t copy someone else’s homework to come up with a name for them. Or when you copy someone else’s homework, instead of actually asking a member of that nation.
Nemetor sounds like a LOTR character
If you want LOTR character names, look up 🇮🇸 Icelandic names: there are
- over 4900 people by the name of Guðrún
- over 4400 — Sigurður
- over 4200 — Guðmundur
Some executioner style villain
The first time the inhabitants of what is now Germany and what is now Hungary met, there were no nations at all. People have been communicating and trading with those from far-off lands for longer than the concept of nation even existed, which is a major contributor to why these names are so different.
True, my bad for a poor word choice. I guess ‘people’ would have been more appropriate. But I guess the rest holds.
Apparently even Tacitus said it was a made up name. It seems like it might have originally applied to lands west of the Rhine, or some tribe living there in Roman times. So it might have applied to as much of modern Netherlands and Belgium as to modern Deutschland.
Don’t forget the ‘Heiliges Römisches Reich’ though - that always seemed a bit contrived.
Wait until you learn about Japan
At least they call Germany “doitsu”
I hear “doitsu,” I can’t help but think

Nippon! Wait…Nihon! Err…
Americans are slowly learning about the rest of the world.
Better late than never.
America was originally just the name of South America, then the English lazily coined the term “North America”.
Entire nations: You cannot keep “America” for yourself. There is history, maps, books, the independence of other countries in the region called for the liberation of “America” (e.g. Simón Bolívar “the liberator of America”; “America for the Americans”; Sentimientos de la Nación: “America is free and independent of Spain and all other nations, governments, or monarchies”).
The U.S. of A.: Yeah… No. I’m America now. There’s no other “America” because there’s only North America and South America, 🤷🏼♂️ don’t you know? And the land is The Americas because it’s two in one. Duh. Erasure? I call it freedom! 🇺🇸🦅
The amazing thing is, people don’t refer to their home country by a two letter acronym.
UK has entered the chat
In Denmark we refer to the UK as England. If it’s more official we call them Storbritannien but no one calls them that in everyday speech. It’s just England.
I know it’s not the point.
But spitting on Scotland and Northern Ireland like that is a bit harsh.
(Sees car with CH sticker drive by…)
What about the Swamp Germans
You have it backwards.
German in German is “Deutsch” or “Duits” in Dutch.
Dutch in Dutch is “Nederlands” or “Niederländisch” in German.
“Deutch” comes from an old high german word “diutisc” which meant “of the people”
“Dutch” comes from “Diest” meaning “people’s language”
When the Romans invaded England, they important the Latin “Germania” to refer to Germany and gradually started to use “Dutch” for the common people of the “lower countries” (Belgium and Netherlands)
Where does “Alemania” (what they call Germany in Spain) come from?
AFAIK French has something similar. I might be wrong, but similarly to the Holland/Netherlands (Nederlanden) story, it was named after one of the tribes in Germany (alamanni, “all men”), before the great unification.
It comes from from french and originally from latin alamanus. There was a germanic tribe there called the the Alamanni.
I think the term “The Nethetlands” was coined after the Reformation and Counter-Reformation when the northern provinces ,which became Lutheran, separated from the southern provinces which remained Roman Catholic.
The country was usually referred as “Holland” (a northern province) before then.
Uhh WTF? It is called Germany in Germany….
America brain
Deutchland is the German word for Germany. The land of the people….
Deutschland*
It’s interesting how countries have names that we just don’t use. To be fair, the UK calls it Germany, too, at least the BBC does. And not just their .com (American) site, which still uses English rather than American English (e.g. honour instead of “honor,” centre instead of “center,” and other minor spelling differences… to stranger ones like manoeuvre vs “maneuver” and so on), so that tells me they call Deutschland “Germany” in the UK as well. Even the English Wikipedia (which covers English and American English) says the official name of the country is “The Federal Republic of Germany”.
We call Turkiye “Turkey”, I guess because the name of the bird is more familiar and easier to type?
What we call Japan, people who live there say Nihon (or Nippon). But what they write is 日本, but I don’t know how to make my keyboard (or computer) produce those symbols without copying and pasting them. It’s easy to remember these symbols. One looks like a skyscraper (like in Tokyo) and the other looks like clouds around the peak of Mt Fuji, together representing the manmade and natural beauty of the country. It might be coincidence that those glyphs look like that, though.
Let’s take it a step further, shall we? So we were talking about countries that call themselves something other than what you (I’m assuming American) call them. There are companies that do it, too, but other than having extra words and symbols at the end, it’s mostly pronunciation… and I only have two examples. There may be more. The first one is Nokia, which people try to pronounce like it’s Korean or Japanese. It’s not, it’s Finnish (from Finland, one of the places Vikings come from). That’s why they’re so sturdy. It’s not just a meme. Anyway, while it’s fine for you to call it “No-kia,” like you’re saying you don’t drive a Kia, the Finns pronounce it “Knock-ya.” Like, throw a Nokia at you and “knock-ya” TF out!
Going back to Japan, the Japanese language is made up of glyphs which represent the syllables that make up the spoken language. Japanese is both simpler and more complex than you might think. So 日本 means Nihon, or Ni and Hon. Maybe you see where this is going… Hon isn’t pronounced like it rhymes with Don, it instead rhymes with “bone.” So to say 日本, you say “Ni” (knee) “hon” (hone). Those are the sounds represented by those glyphs. Now say “Honda.” You probably said it wrong. 本田 is pronounced “Hon” (hone) “da” (duh). Of course, if you say “Hone-duh” to car guys, they’ll look at you like you’re a fool, because no one outside of Japan pronounces it that way, even at the dealer. And you won’t score home field points by going to the dealer and pronouncing it correctly. (Of course, when they speak to leadership in Japan, if they ever do, you bet your ass they’re saying it right. But outside of Japanese corporate, they’re pronouncing it the way you always have.)
Does any of this even matter? No, not really. It’s trivia, which means it’s fun to know but not exactly useful to know, in most situations. German people will likely tell you they are German, not that they are Deutsch. Then again, Germans are far nicer than their rough language would imply (you can thank Rammstein for making you think it’s rough in the first place, especially if you’re Gen X or Millennial). They would just as soon you say hello as hallo (German for hello), though I will almost always use “auf widersehen” over goodbye, because goodbye sounds more formal. “Auf widersehen” translates to “Until next time.” Compare that with the Japanese “さようなら” (sayonara), which means “farewell.” Three languages, the other two translate to “goodbye,” but they all actually mean different things. This is why learning some of your more common phrases in other languages helps. I’d much rather say “auf widersehen” to someone I’m going to see again tomorrow rather than “goodbye.” And as much as I’d love to tell my boss さようなら… well, it’s just not the appropriate parting phrase.
to fix it:
🇳🇱Netherland, where Netherlanders live is Netherlands
🇩🇪Dutchland, where Dutchlanders live is Dutch
While it is quite common that countries have different names in other languages, germany is special because it really has a lot of very different names. Alemagne in french, germany in englisch, deutschland in german, tyskland in danish, Niemcy in poland and so on.
There is actually a wikipedia article about it, that also explains the origin of the different names.
in Lithuanian it is Vokietija, of unclear origin, but possibly from Proto-Balto-Slavic *vākyā-, meaning “those who speak loud, shout (unintelligibly)”
DIESE ABSCHEULICHE UNTERSTELLUNG IST VOLLKOMMEN INAKZEPTABEL!
:D thats funny
Saksa in Finnish, no clue what the origin of that is. It doesn’t even mean anything that I know of.
The Saxons were a group of Germanic tribes/peoples. So similar in origin to “allemannia” (from the Alemanni tribes) and its variants in many other languages.
Sachsen, germaaninen heimo/Saksin alue nykyisessä Saksassa.
polish*, also your capitalisation of the name in different languages is totally random
Thats my german keybord autocorrecting some words while i try to write in english. I am too lazy to go through all the mistakes as long as one can get my point.
Not totally random. Consistently wrong, with only “Niemcy” out of line.
isn’t Alemagne correct? or is it an error to capitalise a country’s name in French?




















