It’s not just the unskippable ads but also the type of ads as well. I’ve seen some wild ones like ads to make you hard in the bedroom, but it never actually shows the treatment. I’ve seen ads for how to make “homemade” makeup to look younger, the ingredients are baking soda and honey? But I think the wildest one I’ve seen is an ad for a robot puppy but in the ad, you can clearly see it is a real puppy, but they keep saying that it is a robotic AI powered puppy.
Thank you for your sacrifice
So, slop it sounds like.
I keep seeing an ad about a magical banana. -Go figure.
Go watch the latest Corridor Crew video. They bought the AI puppy…
Well, i wont watch ads. If it comes to it i’d rather have a program thats recording videos in real time so i can skip the ad segments later in my recording like in the good old vhs times.
This should only become a necessary solution if YouTube invents a way to inject ads directly into the video stream of the video you’re watching, like old school broadcasting.
That is sort of what sponsored segments are, and what sponsorblock is quite effective at dealing with.
If they’re injected on the fly at variable time points, it gets harder, but I suspect fingerprinting could work well enough.
Even better, yeah. So this solution shouldn’t feel necessary unless as a last ditch effort, definitely.
That was what my grandpa also did many years ago, he was living in the future! Or we’re going backward.
uBlock Origin and revanced are still effective at blocking. Sponsorskip (available as a Firefox plugin or built into revanced) even skip sponsored segments inside videos!
Might want to check out morphe(Revanced might be dead?)
PeerTube hasn’t any ads
Is that available for TVs?
We definitely need to develop apps for TVs. YouTube has a great advantage because it is there by default.
Anything for WebOS (LG TVs)?
Big no thank you to anything Nvidia. Plasma Bigscreen doesn’t seem production-ready yet, by the looks of its web site. Either way, that would require me to get a PC and run its output to my TV, right? I’m unfortunately not considering that option right now.
CachyOS, Steam Machine, I already have a beast Arch Linux PC that I game on, so that’s not necessary. But what about that Waydroid business? Would I flash that on to my LG TV and run that as its OS or what is that about? All of these github projects that people link to do such a terrible job of explaining what it is exactly that they offer, and what to do with them.
Thanks for the recommendations.
Waydroid emulates Android (in this case AndroidTV) on Linux, allowing you to run Android apps inside your Linux-based OS.
I haven’t tried it, but NTH on the SmartTube telegram chat recommended https://github.com/webosbrew/youtube-webos
Would that allow me to log in to my YouTube account, watch my curated recommendations, thousands-of-items Watch Later list, watch shorts, etc, just without ads?
Does it have any content?
Joking aside, I’ve found like 2 PeerTube channels to follow. People, give me your recommendations. And don’t just list the channel name, be nice and write a few words about what its about.
Veronica Explains annnnnnd that’s about it.
it’s a shame that I have to keep using youtube to get good linux content as I thought there would be plenty of it on peertube. nope, can’t find it.
Veronica is excellent.
Linux User Space have a thing over there, though sadly it looks like they are a bit slow to upload stuff, compared to youtube (understandable) https://tilvids.com/c/linuxuserspace_channel/videos
Shifter and Oh the Urbanity! are on https://video.canadiancivil.com/ . They are both fairly well-known Canadian Youtubers making videos about biking and urbanism.
PeerTube has entered the chat
The thing about peertube is… It’s actually a tough one to run for non-profit. I run an mbin instance and it’s fairly easy to afford the hardware to host that and securely back it up.
But for peertube, you need storage, and realistically you also need backup for all that storage. That can be pretty costly unless you self host. In which case even with fibre your home connection will be hammered.
Video content eats storage like nothing else.
Well, thankfully, since on peer tube, your video is shared between all the peers currently watching. If your video gets super popular, your connection isn’t actually hammered all that badly due to the fact that other peers are also supplying bits of the video for people.
As for the storage though, that’s a very good point.
Video content eats storage like nothing else.
And now storage is being eaten by data centres in their quest to force yet more AI slop on people in order to keep the bubble going just a little longer before the inevitable collapse.
Yes, I am wishing I bought a spare drive or two for my home array. When one fails it’s going to get costly now.
Is that available for TVs?
LOL
Smart TVs are really just somebody else’s computer that you paid for to watch ads on.
This. There is a reason why dumb displays of a similar size are much more expensive. Because the manufacturer can’t feed you ads and sell your data …
And now look how high $ CRTs are, even the low end ones.
I’ll never get rid of mine. You can’t get a 0 ms latency TV with zero “features” anymore. And those commercial TVs dont come with remotes. I never liked how flat screens look either. Laggy and awful colors. I’m sure a $3000 oled is great but no thanks
I also despise massive TVs so another win. People with 80" TVs in their living room are just ick.
I don’t understand the need for those. My smart tv is functioning exactly as a computer monitor. It is connected via a display connection to my computer, and nothing else. It does show a brief warning that it is unconnected to the internet whenever I turn it on, but it disappears after 10 seconds or so.
TVs often do a bad job at switching on when the computer turns on, then off when it turns off/goes to sleep. Drives me spare. That was fixed in like 1995-2000 for normal monitors.
CEC has been around for years. This is probably more an issue with the PC in question rather than the TV. TVs do an excellent job at turning themselves on when CEC is enabled. 👍
PCs have almost never supported CEC. PCs use a different signalling method to indicate to the monitor that they’re on/off.
Exactly. So they aren’t talking with the same protocol. TVs can turn themselves on, but PCs just don’t send the required signals. ✔️
LibreELEC (just enough OS for Kodi) on Raspberry Pi supports CEC. Does that count as a PC?
Yeah, but that’s not how most people use Smart TVs. Also, they’re still coming for you, next up they’ll try to insert ads via HDMI. and good luck finding a Smart TV with display port.
Ads via HDMI shouldn’t work if the TV doesn’t have internet connection, by my understanding. So I do not see any problems there.
Ads over HDMI are being worked on.
oh don’t worry, they’ll start participating in mesh networks with your neighbors’ smart devices and getting internet access that way
or using like 4g/5g network for ads for free, sucking up all the data bandwidth from smartphone users so they can make sure we got our daily ad dosage!
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I seem to recall reafing that smart TVs have a list of default passwords they use to try and connect to the to wifi networks they find…
So they try to brute force in to our wifis? Why no one sued them?!
good luck finding a Smart TV with display port.
Yeah, and that is a very recent one from a not-that-well know company. Go figure!
It’s a possibility with chromebooks because of the google ad network, but I can’t see why consoles, linux, mac, even windows tbh, has any incentive to support this. At best, they might make it an option, but there’s nothing in it for them. It actively makes their content look worse, while an ad supported OS like windows already has capability to place ads anyway.
$$$
Consoles are a shrinking market. If they were offered money by TV manufacturers to cooperate with putting more ads on it, they most certainly will.
And I suspect Microsoft/Windows will too. Apple might not, though.
Yeah. Apple is plenty evil but not having ads is, generally, part of their “premium feel.” There are exceptions to this, unfortunately, especially recently.
But I definitely don’t regret doing a factory reset on my LG TV and hooking up an Apple TV.
They can’t add ads if they’re not connected to the ibternet
Displayport via USB-C could start gaining momentum.
My husband had the Tv connected to the internet, even though we watch everthing from the xbox. I changed the wifi password a few months ago, and never reconnected the TV.
Best decision ever.
I love how roku won’t let you re-order apps unless you are online. Fuck off!
What are the chances the 10-second warning becomes a 90-second unskippable one?
I use mine the same way, but many people don’t. My parents would rather be logged in on the tv than connect a laptop or other pc for the same access but better results
This really has nothing to do with Smart TVs in itself though… It’s just a problem if you choose to play YouTube videos on your TV, which seems like a pretty reasonable thing to want to do.
The same reason i stopped playing on Consoles since the PS2 - there was no good reason for the People to get this kind of things on the internet.
It was just good for the Business to hold the connection to you and control whatever they produced.
The last console I owned was the Xbox 360. Once I started seeing non-gaming advertisements on my home screen, I lost all interest in the product line.
Sometimes I think internet connectivity was a mistake.
I got a PS3 and a PS4 so I wouldn’t need to use Windows for gaming. That’s not an issue anymore, though.
Steamdeck here and the last time i played on Windows was like 2015/2016 but never again after Win10 shutdown my System for an Update while i played a LoL ranked Game… That was the last Time i used Windows for privat use. After that i formated the HDD and installed Linux Mint
I’m still very happy with this decision
I thought LoL was one of the games that require windows for kernel level anticheat?
That was a somewhat recent development, they had many years to suffer playing Leauge on Linux c:
That is a user error.
Commercial TVs are so worth the extra cost. Recently got a Samsung Commercial Non-Smart TV and paired it with my $20 debloated/deGoogled Onn 4K Streaming box from Walmart. Bam, got a media setup that I fully own.
What is the cost comparison?
Honestly under 60 inches not too bad
$453.00 # 43" Samsung HU6000F Non-Smart Hospitality TV with Pro:Idiom for Set Top Box Deployments
Nice!
yeah I got a bit lazy there, at 55 inches you are at $604
When you go to 65 though its $1004 so pretty big jump.
Oddly enough going from 65 to 75 is only another ~375 USD (1377)
To me the best deal seems like 50 or 55 inches, although your room size and seating positions are likely the most important.
Also interesting if you’re in the USA Best Buy does have some non-smart TVs and even a filter for it, although its mostly no-name brands or Samsung.
Thanks for fleshing out the full picture. So perhaps the largest TVs at the store are getting some pretty big subsidies, courtesy Advertising Inc.
And good tip on Best Buy. Thank you. What an informative lil comment, Leo 😎
Link to tv box? And did you have to debload/degoogle it yourself?
2036: You want to watch a 15 second clip of a kitten napping, it’ll cost you a hour of ads!
$10 a month and no ads.
You could donate that money and still have no ads. Google doesn’t need it
That’s too much trouble for the 20 or so creators I watch. I primarily comsume media via YouTube so its much more economical than having cable was and I still was pushed ads. Most of the comments seem to disassociate the consuming from the compensating creators. It has gotta happen somehow and 10$ a month is easy.
SmartTube, NewPipe/Tubular/PipePipe, FreeTube, and other FOSS YouTube apps say “WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!”
$10 a month is absolutely ridiculous.
Well, if the product is free, they’re gonna rip you off in some other way. You’re also welcome to use vanced and ublock, both works, but premium make sure the channel you watched get paid more. Of course you can also subscribe to their patreon but…it cost way more.
What’s crazy is when you actually want to watch an ad (like a game or movie trailer, or a review of a product you’re considering buying), and you have to watch an ad to watch the ad. You’d think videos advertising a commercial product would pay a fee to cover the ads.
SmartTube is pretty good on AndroidTV: SponsorBlock, DeArrow, no ads, etc.
At least while we’re still able to sideload… 😔
At least while we’re still able to
sideloadinstall normally… 😔FTFY. Being restricted to a manufacturer’s ‘approved’ list of apps is not normal, and should be called “cuckinstalling” or something similarly pathetic and offensive.
Absolutely fair correction. 👍🏻
At least while we’re still able to sideload… 😔
We still can sideload even after the side loading changes, although in quite annoying fashion, but will still be possible.
Seconded.
Unfortunately doesn’t stop Google from screwing with third-party YouTube apps now and then. Had a few instances where SmartTube would not load all the channels I’m “subscribed to”, but an update fixes that instantly.
The enshittification will continue until… No man, it’ll just continue.
I wonder how many ads Vader needed to deal with.
he was so pissy cause the inside of his helmet was just ads for pharmaceuticals he couldn’t afford.
Why are these companies wanting to pay to infuriate me? If I want to watch something and I’m suddenly interrupted by a 90 second unskippable intrusion I’m not going to have a positive relationship with your company.
Most ads aren’t directly tied to a sales goal. Instead they work on brand recognition. IOW, when you are at the grocery store, you think of Coke in general rather than any specific ads. And when you’re looking for a new car, Ford’s marketing is constantly in the back of your mind.
Combined with the tsunami of marketing everyone faces every single day, few of these ads stand out. You likely don’t turn down buying Coke because of how invasive their ads are.
brand recognition. IOW, when you are at the grocery store, you think of Coke in general rather than any specific ads.
Agreed. More specifically, I think brand association plays a part. Even if you never drink cola of any type, the ads make you think “Coke is the kind of drink for people who (whatever)”. Then when you see your friend drinking one you say “Oh you drink coke? I guess you’re the kind of person who (whatever the ad campaign says).” It’s really insiduous.
Because while you and I will just not use their product, many people just accept it and go with the flow because it’s easy.
And this is very evident whenever you’re outside the lemmy / technically skilled bubble, on reddit and many other places, whenever the topic of YouTube ads / premium come up, a surprising proportion of the comments will be to the effect of “just pay for premium” and “premium is so worth it” or “yt premium is the most valuable subscription out of them all”. People don’t seem to care that so much of the value of premium is avoiding a problem entirely fabricated by YT.
a problem entirely fabricated by YT
I agree with your basic point, tho to be fair, server costs are a thing, so it’s more like a problem fabricated by… capitalism? the commercialization of the internet? The centralization of resources? I guess it depends on what you think the long-term solution is.
Yeah I’m more talking about everything they do in addition to make the non-premium experience more painful. The incentive is to make it as annoying as people are willing to tolerate with dark patterns and little irritations (for example limiting faster playback speed unless you subscribe). That kind of thing is entirely done on purpose, and I think it’s gross to have to capitulate.
Unfortunatelly, that’s not how most people think, otherwise there wouldn’t be these ads
If the ads starts running too long I just hit the back button or close the window and go look for something else to watch.
I used that trick 10 years ago when ads were optional or 5-10 seconds long. After they crossed the line with forced ads i blocked them and never looked back.
I keep my TVs dumb because of these shitshows, no network at all. Only display stuff from cable or from operator’s box, but even the latter is seldom used.
i’m seriously amazed by many people’s ability to ignore and withstand those annoying ads lmao. even a tiny banner on some website is enough to trigger me to create a new ublock filter…
