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I voted for Kamala. But her weak spine-ass would’ve let Israel do the exact same thing to Palestinians. She said she wouldn’t be any different from Biden, and we know Biden was a huge Zionist.
Of course though, Democrats will clutch their pearls even to this day saying that it was someone else’s fault as to why she lost. No it fucking wasn’t. Kamala had the MOST support immediately after Biden backed out. She even brought Tim Walz on board who seemed decently progressive at the time. And then Dems started capitulating to the Right. It was sickening to hear at the DNC, “the world’s strongest military”.
And then just yesterday, the DNC votes to block a resolution condemning dark money, including AIPAC, in elections. Establishment Dems are cancer in my eyes. We know Republicans are evil, so Democrats should be the ideological opposite - yet they aren’t. They let Republicans get away.
We urgently need Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) in this country so we can finally break free of these horrendous 2 choices. Or we don’t and stochastic terrorism rises because politicians refuse to curtail corporations and people suffer more and more financially.
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the US system is broken, this is what happens when there is only two choices 🥲
The system is not broken. It’s functioning exactly as intended.
Gosh darn it, if only the good cop got their way they wouldn’t have treated me like this.
It really is a fundamentally broken system.
So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.
And you don’t think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?
Don’t get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here…
If you had this system in Europe you would not like the results. Best outcome: 200 years of middle of the road conservative shit Christian party
Funding a genocide is not normal.
Average normal politicians don’t give Hitler weapons to commit genocide.
What do you mean? Hitler committed genocide, so Hitler was given the weapons. And Hitler was given the authority for those weapons through a democratic process, by way of average normal politicians (mainly Paul von Hindenburg, specifically).
I mean Netanyahu is Hitler and they were giving him weapons. That’s not what normal does.
IMO the bigger problem is that the “average normal politician” managed to be so bad that voters didn’t feel motivated to vote against Hitler.
This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between “letting Hitler win” and “stopping the genocide”, Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.
Isn’t that deeply fucked up?
It was a slam dunk. I still know trump supporters who think everything negative said about him is a lie. Why did this never happen in human history before (an unrelenting smear campaign running for over a decade against an innocent man)? Meh I dunno something about woke.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Harris’s win obviously wasn’t a slam dunk, she lost.
I meant she was the obvious choice to anyone with >3 working neurons.
She was! But since a rather large portion of the US public seems to have 0-3 neurons, it’s not enough to be the obvious choice for everyone else.
Harris and her campaign knew this. They had polls clearly showing that she’s so bad at motivating voters that she’ll likely lose.
No, it was the voters fault that Harris decided to fish for the republican vote by shifting more to the right in her rhetoric. Those stupid people should have voted blue no matter who!
yeah but she COULD have won retroactively if we browbeat people who already vote blue for the next ten years about it
Yeah… Were totally mad at people who voted blue. You’re so right. 😬
Yeah, I agree. If this can ever happen all you can really say is that us culture is cancer.
Yes but more importantly this is what happens when people are so ignorant and uneducated that someone like Trump makes it past a humiliating response to a social media post about him considering a run for president. Then he is a horrible president, killing thousands of citizens through negligence, commits an insurrection, and voters are like “I dunno he’s not that bad. He’s male at least”
More importantly, he should have been charged for all the crimes he did in his first term. Shouldn’t have even been able to run from his prison cell, or at least not between all the court cases he’d need to be worrying about.
SCOTUS ruled that the POTUS cant be charged with literal crimes while in office, so…yeah.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that happened after Trump was reelected, meaning there were four whole years of Biden as president where he was never prosecuted.
Because he didn’t lose the 2020 election remember, Biden stole it. So therefore he never left office and was covered.
/s
Truthfully, I’m not sure why it seemed to be retroactively applied to his first term. Reality is probably because its all fucking corrupt so of course it did.
Sadly, similar stuff does happen even when you have more parties.
In my opinion, what’s happening here is that the policies of the parties do not align with the opinions of the public. If you care about not doing a genocide, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for last cycle. If you care about universal health care, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for. And so on.
And you can measure this. Research has been carried out into the congruence between policy and public opinion in the US. For example, in the paper Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, it was found that the impact the average American (as a group) has on policy is miniscule compared to the influence of economic elites. You and I don’t benefit from invading Iran, but the owning class sure does, so that’s what we do. All this is independent of who’s in charge.
And so now you might rightly theorize that since there are only two parties, the democrats can fully cater to billionaires, as long as they’re less bad than the republicans. And as time goes on they move further and further right, since they really don’t have to care about voters, because the only other party consists of actual demons, and people will vote for them anyway.
However, you see this effect (the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence on policy) in pluralistic systems as well. Norway has about 9 major political parties, yet the study Affluence and Influence in a Social Democracy finds that here too, the rich have an outsized influence. Similar studies exist for other western European countries, most of which (if not all) have more than two major parties.
So I don’t think the root of the problem is the two party system (although I’m sure it doesn’t help).
Both stewards of the same system. Neither will cease our descent into the abyss.
e for replies: I won’t apologize for hating on a country that threatened to invade mine, and I hate you for defending it. Kamala is not any less of a steward of the same system. She will also facilitate the killing of children in the middle-east. Fuck em. Pick up a gun and do something about it or shut the fuck up. You don’t get to be smug when all you do is pretend to be a lefty on the internet.
But only one is actively encouraging it.
Would you prefer to die slowly, or fast? You will die in pain either way.
Fuck that accelerationist nonsense.
You have to slow before you can reverse.
I like how you frame this as if “slowly” isn’t objectively the sane and correct answer.
Yeah! Same how slowly torturing someone to death for days on end is considered much more merciful than just killing them.
That’s not what you said. You used a bad metaphor that shows your argument is flawed and now you want to retroactively change it to not show how flawed your argument is.
I’m sorry, I believe you have me confused with someone. Does this happen a lot?
Yes that’s the point. There’s apparently thousands of you who only wanna talk about how evil Democrats are or how pathetic Americans are who didn’t want this. It’s become extremely tiresome.
You think you’re making a clever point, but I would very much prefer to die slowly.
That’s to say nothing for the fact that going slowly provides a chance for a cure to be developed.
“The country should just die quickly” actually manages to be a worse sales pitch than “The less bad choice.”
I’m not asking you to vote for either of them! I’m telling you that the system they built together while pretending to be on opposite sides is killing you. At least Trump is so fucking stupid that he’s made it obvious to people without political insight. Unfortunately, Americans are still not gonna pick up their guns and do something about it, so I propose they just let it happen, then. Let it get worse, so it can get better. Let the system destroy itself so you can build a new one instead of dragging it out.
He’s not “encouraging” it. He’s speedrunning it.
Can we get the fuck over this pointless nonsense, consign her to history, and do something about what’s happening now, please?
Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I refuse to end up sitting around in 2040 earnestly arguing in favor of a candidate who is more right-wing than trump, but slightly less right-wing than their contemporary opponent. I will not run defense for a conservative regardless of the letter next to their name
True, but this shit is just moaning about the past, though.
if anyone can, join the dems and vote in the primaries to make sure no AIPAC candidate survives.
probably the most important and meaningful things any American can do.
also do so for Republicans if you’re racistly inclined
Exactly!
Yeah can we all just forget about the world’s stupidest voters and that the propagandists successfully convinced people to commit the most brain dead self-own in the history of humanity? All we have to do now is the simple task of destroying the world’s most powerful evil cunts who could’ve easily been denied power if people’s brains were operating at even 15% capacity.
Get on it, America! You’ve got the guns!
I hope this is sarcasm
Do you? How odd.
What’s odd is how a bunch of (mentally teenaged) idiots think we’re going to overthrow the most militarized government in history with some rifles
You’re funny.
You’re incapable of rational adult thinking
who could’ve easily been denied power if people’s brains were operating at even 15% capacity.
No, who could’ve continued operating in the back rooms while their more polite servants get on TV and whinge about how there’s nothing they can do to improve things even with majorities in both houses and the Presidency. But at least they’d have the decency to keep the slurs in those back rooms and only murder brown kids so you could go back to brunch in peace.
Ah, the classic bRuNcH tankie bullshit. I am so owned.
Must be, since you couldn’t address any of the actual substance of what I said and had to nit pick a bit of hyperbole.
Yes it is indeed true that everyone a millimeter to the right of you is evil and is legally required to argue the same shit with you every day of their lives forever. /s
Your stance would be believable of you’d just ignored what I said. You felt the need to respond, but don’t have the capacity to respond to the substance. So you pick a line of hyperbole and argue passionately against that. It’d be funny if there weren’t 300 million people just like you helping destroy the world so they can go watch the game in peace.
I will never ever ever ever again waste time trying to argue facts with bad faith dipshits. In fact I’m blocking your incredibly bad faith sadistic bullshit ass.
They would have done more than fuck all for the people in Gaza.
Let’s enable the opposite extreme then, get some one in power that does everything Netanyahu says including some harebrained idea of bombing Iran a bit and the rest will fall in place.
If it’s got you out of your brunch spot and in the streets protesting US imperialism then it’s already done more than four years of Kopmala would have.
Seriously no one gives a shit about brunch. That “gotcha” was stale five years ago. I mean shit even if I ever liked brunch it’s too expensive now to even do. And regardless the implication you’re making is that everyone not exactly aligned with you doesn’t care about the future and spends all their time doing frivolous shit. And you make this implication on the most intense doom scrolling platform the world has ever seen. You probably could not find another community on the Internet so full of people who actually care.
This idiotic idea that we all can just magically fix this needs to die. Just fucking stop it already. We are fucked. We cannot overthrow the government. Protests probably wouldn’t work regardless but every time there is one you psychos cannot wait to shit on them. Just fucking stop it. Find someone else to torture you sadistic fucks. We get it you read Das Kapital and you think you’re superior. You’re not. You’re probably no better than mediocre if even that. So just fucking stop it and get a life or at least a better hobby.
And regardless the implication you’re making is that everyone not exactly aligned with you doesn’t care about the future and spends all their time doing frivolous shit.
Not everyone, just the ones who attend “protests” on weekends that have police permits and march with people carrying signs that say “If Kamala has won we’d be at brunch”.
Because we know that. You don’t understand what the problem is, so you let the people profiting from the problem convince you that the real problem is that the “good guys” lost the election rather than the fact that there are no good guys and the people selling the narrative steal a little more from you every administration regardless of which team of Wall St Fellating shitbags won the big game. Elections in the US are just more bread and circuses, the Epstein class owns both parties tip to tail.
No, we’re going to spend every day from now through the next presidential primary bashing nonexistent, Trump-supporting leftists because that’s how you build your electoral base 🙄
Don’t forget the sternly worded letters. REVOLUTION, but peacefully. :|
I dunno, that word “sternly” makes me queasy.
/s
What’s happening now is groundwork for shoving AIPAC down people’s throats come midterms. That’s why we suddenly see a flood of these posts.
fuck the midterms, if you wait for them we already lost, get involved in the primaries, that’s how we oust AIPAC.
otherwise, come midterms, there will only be AIPAC candidates
Yeah it’s some genius Zionist plot of course
I mean clinton WAS in the eipstein files lmao.
No need for a plot. Just standard issue Blue MAGA prepping excuses for why they will have had no choice.
Sure, as soon as the usual suspects stop posting edgy “both sides” bullshit, we can move on.
We’ll stop that as soon as you purge all the traitors from your party who care more about fellating Wall St than starving kids, and care more about Israeli settlers apartheid health care than their own constituents dying in the streets. When both sides aren’t basically the same except for the ten or so designated culture war issues we’ll stop saying both sides are the same.
I love how you say “purge” 🤣. It’s so not stalinist
I love how you only ever respond to the vibe of something and not what was actually said, it’s so totally Schumerist.
You forgot the swastika and the pedobear under Trump.
Ah, liberal wokescolding first thing in the morning
Yes, thank you for opening our eyes, none of us knew this, even though we all held our nose and voted for the woman who was suddenly thrust on us as it became apparent that Joe Biden couldn’t win, who herself was winning UNTIL she said we’ll have the most lethal military and who cozied up to Sarah Longwell and fucking Liz Cheney and spent time chasing Republican votes and basically promising nothing to anyone from the moderates to the left
You fucking Overton shit shovelers are insufferable.
Hey you know what we might not have had climate change if Al Gore had gotten elected in 2000. Why aren’t we doing more hanging-chad memes?
Does this help?
Ah “I am exactly the thing you posted” first thing in the morning
You failed the trolly problem.
Please learn a different ethical framework. Utilitarianism isn’t the only one
Please stop sanewashing right-wing child rapists.
I swear, I have yet to see any of you morons bringing up the trolley problem understand what the trolley problem even is.
super funny comment considering the idea of the classic trolley problem has no fail state and is just a moral exercise.
you failed moral theory.
no fail state
The whole point is either choice results in death. What are you even on about?
I feel like you’re leaving some negatives off from the Kamala side. Namely that she’s a corporatist liberal and was a prosecutor. IMO both of those are important details that shouldn’t be left off. Trump is a once in a lifetime evil, but she’s no saint either. The problem is we must cast away these billionaire serving candidates.
and was a prosecutor
How is this a bad thing? Like, what about being a prosecutor is inherently bad?
Go ask the MANY people she wrongly prisoned on drug charges while talking about how cool weed is. I bet they have tons of love for prosecutors.
all cops are bastards
Do the libs have some billionaires on ketamine who swing their tiny dribbling dicks around and make things more effective?
Would any of this shit have happened?
This is stupid people who didn’t like Kamala because the was a genocide enabler weren’t saying vote Trump wtf.
And anyway shit’s over. This finger wagging told-ya-so bullshit is less than worthless. It’s abundantly clear you can still lose to the worst person alive if people don’t like you… So maybe force the Dems to run someone decent or make the Dems disappear. You’re not gonna shame the electorate into the lesser of two evils crap, how have you not seen this yet? Regardless of how logical you think it is or how right you think you are. I think it’s clear it’s not working.
Sometimes what you don’t say is more important than what you do say. Many on the left were manipulated and used to boost the fascist. Something many to this day are still too sensitive about to acknowledge.
There wasn’t Mass coverage and protest that all major party candidates supported the genocide. Only Harris. In all the Zionist and oligarch media, every day it was wall to wall coverage of the people calling Harris out over it. It was legitimately used to launder Donald Trump’s image.
The fact that the vitriol and hatred that anyone who pointed this out got back then. And still gets today, proves that many failed to learn the important lesson. While they were absolutely correct to criticize Harris for her support. They were wrong to only focus on her over it. Even if symptoms like trump and everyone in his administration met the gallows tomorrow. These same people will continue to naively allow themselves to be weaponized against the achievable over the perfect. Ultimately getting more symptoms elected in the future, and allowing the Overton window to ratchet further and further to the right. National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
So much so it becomes plausible that they might not actually be allies.
They certainly aren’t. They’re not even allies to themselves. But without them we have little hope of getting anything passed. And without us they stand little chance of getting elected. Neither of us would choose to ally with the other.
I just think the worse thing now is seeing the current lineup of candidates for 2028… shes still there and so are a bunch of others im pretty sure nobody wants.
Ro Khanna toed the line on pushing for Epstein disclosures. That’s probably going my litmus test for humans vgoing forward, regardless whether he is permitted to progress
That’s part of why I’m being so vocal lately. I am going to vote in 2028, and I am not going to vote for someone who supports Israel. If that means writing in ‘The Reanimated Corpse of Abraham Lincoln,’ then so be it.
Assuming the Democrats have a primary this time, widespread anti-zionist sentiment could convince some people to work towards getting a candidate on the ballot who isn’t a zionist. Harris and Newsom are destined to fail if they end up on the ballot in November. If these “vote blue no matter who” people really want a blue candidate in office, then let’s work towards getting a blue candidate that can beat no preference.
Duverger’s law, the way the elections are winner takes all makes it mathematically certain there are only two viable options. It’s basic math which people failed at.
Which makes it all the more important for candidate not to pull a Harris and try to gaslight voters.
When parties are roughly evenly matched, elections often turn on irrelevant or misleading considerations such as economic spurts or downturns beyond the incumbents’ control; the outcomes are essentially random. Thus, voters do not control the course of public policy, even indirectly.
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691169446/democracy-for-realists
duvergers law does not say that. it’s not"basic math". it’s a useless tautology
You also have to include the swing states having a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence, and the electoral college making small farm states election makers
In the neo-liberal brain and rhetoric that’s how they have to argue to get you to swallow the poison of the “lesser evil.”
Dude could actually nuke Iran and kill millions and dumb assholes online still wouldn’t concede that he is and was obviously the worse evil.
people aren’t saying that Kamala wasn’t the lesser evil. They are saying that running evil candidates suppresses voter turnout and that doing so is a loosing strategy (unless doing evil is your gole, like the GOP)
I agree that it’s a dumb strategy, but given the choice it’s obvious that Harris was better qualified, less evil, and would not actively work to make your life worse. It’s just that the average American voter is a window licker / paste eater so they voted for the other guy.
The difference between terrible and more terrible is a thin line. If you think the world is only binary choices then you’re the type of person leftist rail against. There’s more choices but Democrats would have you believe there isn’t.
Not in this voting system there isn’t. I don’t know why online third party cranks are so fucking abysmal at game theory. It’s blatantly obvious that only two outcomes are possible on general election day but you lot think you can manifest third party viability through shit posting.
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize. Let me put it this way, there are Democrats still voting FOR Trump appointees, and it’s not a few of them. If they’re really “The Resistance” like they want us to think they can start but not voting with the fascists. But hey, blue no matter who, right?
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize.
Same side of the same coin? That is…not the expression.
I’m pretty sure Trump could actually nuke Iran and you’d still be on here talking about how Harris would’ve been bad…exactly how I was saying in my first response.
There’s a time to vote for an alternative in the US system. That time is during the primary. If you actually gave a shit you’d be advocating for ranked choice, a change to the funding system of elections, or both. But nope, you’re just another one of Trump’s useful idiots.
Yes, because evil is still evil. What in the living fuck do you not understand supporting Harris was still supporting Israel as well. Jesus fucking christ you people tire the fuck out of me with your inane vote blue no matter who lesser of two evils bullshit. As long as you continue to play with their games they’ll continue to never improve. So you can continue and hope for harm reduction or not vote, campaign for those you would like to actually see and refuse to vote for those you don’t like at all. Because right now, Newsom is looking like the Democrat’s candidate of choice and he’s goddamn awful of a politician and person.
I know many Muslims in Michigan that voted for Trump because Kamala supported Israel…
anecdotes are not data
Fuck ‘em
My handler said it was my turn to post “whatabout kamala” post today.
😡😡😡
It is the sole argument from the losing coalition of conservstive democrats and liberal zionists.
These people were fully convinced to defend and support a genocide. It’s easier for them to dive deeper into the AIPAC coalition than to reject it.
Acting like Harris is an ally for queer people and isn’t an imperialist is genuinely out of touch with reality. I get you want to blame people because the “worse” white supremacist was elected, but narratives like this will be used by the Democratic Party to continue the fascism if and when the Republicans lose power. Gavin Newsom isn’t intentionally abandoning pro-queer performative politics for nothing.
Oh boy can’t wait to rehash this braindead take again tomorrow. I swear guys she only lost to DT because you weren’t locked in
Is that a pedo flag? I’m nervous to try checking with a search engine…
Its the ‘MAP pride’ flag which is so fucking stupid to use even if its on a meme about Epstein as it just reinforces the idea that that the right have in thinking it is a valid and accepted lgbtq identity… There is literally no reason to ever use it.
I was wondering the same thing. I would assume so since it’s under an image of Epstein.
It’s true.
Democrats are fucking stupid. The voters told you what they wanted, and it was affordability and no more WMD’s for Israel, and Dems concluded it was too much to ask. Of course people didn’t want to fucking vote for you.
dems keep losing because they rather suckle on AIPAC’S limp dick than serve their constituents.
Thankfully this is starting to change, albeit not fast enough. AIPAC tried to mess with a congressional primary in NJ (NJ 11); they threw all their weight behind trashing one of the “moderate” candidates they felt wasn’t pro-Israel enough, thinking their pro-Israel candidate would win. Instead, Analilia Mejia won, and she’s not an Israel supporter at all, very progressive.
same in my local Dems party. AIPAC is struggling against candidates who vowed not to take a penny from them.
I dunno what it is about hardliners, but they always seem to gravely misjudge the negative downstream impacts of their actions. Hopefully this groundswell continues against them.
That’s why we need ranked choice voting
True.
Unfortunately my state just voted to ban it.
Bruh, which state is it?
Not only that, Democrats were being useless at best damaging at worst, babies dying and baby formula shortages, inflation and proven price gouging, continuing government contracts with Amazon while Amazon was quelling unions, forcing rejected contracts on railroad workers, letting private equity buy up all the hospitals, housing becoming unaffordable, being pro-police, supporting big tech low regulation companies, supporting Liz Cheney, talking about loving guns, losing Roe v Wade, Used car prices were skyrocketing, Promised marijuanna users would be released from prison but didn’t, made solar panels more expensive, student loans being out of control and college costs skyrocketing with subsidizing that being the only “solution “, letting reporters be killed by Israel, drone striking and funding massive military spending. What even is the Democrat base? What single issue voter did they NOT alienate? Maaaaybe the LGBT, Atheists, No Trump and Science Grant crowd?
TLDR: Dems before the election alienated XWorkers XFarmers XCollege students XPro-Choice XGun Control XNo War XUnions XMarijuanna Users XMuslims XEnvironmentalists XMothers X People who wanted a house in the future XPeople who wanted action X People who hate Omnibus legislation and big government spending (a smaller portion of democrats for sure.)
(I still voted for Harris not that it matters in a red or blue state)
Arguing with people who don’t realize this or remember it is tiring. My dudes, they’ve also been voting FOR Trump appointees. So much for being “The Resistance.” Their message has been “we’re not as bad as them!” for decades now. They’re losing because they’ve lost touch with their voters. Who aren’t wealthy, who are struggling to feed themselves and family while not being GQP/MAGAts. Biden even said you NEEDED Republicans in a speech for crying out loud.
Harris didn’t even put out a platform until weeks before the election. It was a pathetic campaign.
You voted for a genocider.
- there was significant male-supremacism vote against Harris
- there was significant white-supremacism vote against Harris
- Biden fucked her campaigning opportunity over, & wouldn’t leave until Pelosi threatened to nuke his campaign, personally
- Harris backed Netanyahu, hard-line.
It wasn’t just her backing Netanyahu.
https://lemmy.world/post/44104254 argues convincingly that Netanyahu’s got a significant number of Democrats controlled through “kompromat”, ie blackmail.
It hadn’t dawned on me, until just now, that … maybe Harris is, too?
or AIPAC got to her, don’t know…
Whatever.
It’s too late, now: I expect Trump to kill US democracy soon, & then elections won’t matter anymore, federally, at least…
Then the US’s equivalent-to-zionism will be on full display, with Trump’s “Greater North America”, and annexing of Canada & Greenland, war on Central & South America, & Civil War Part2 ( which ICE is currently training for, obviously )…
Soon…
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