100 warm
Yeah, I suppose that’s one way to describe 100°C
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On a cosmic scale 100C is practically freezing.
“It’s a bit warm today.”
Boiling warm is still warm
As a European living in the US now for many years the temperature scale is the least of my annoyances. It’s easy enough to memorize be ranges for what to wear. Fahrenheit is more granular, which is nice sometimes but really doesn’t matter.
No, let’s convert all the ridiculous weight/volume measures first. Having two kinds of ounces makes no sense. Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn’t make sense. Having different units for different magnitudes doesn’t make sense.
Fortunately things are often labeled in both metric and customary units so I can convert way easier.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to have my 12 fluid ounces of coffee and a 1/3 cup of oatmeal.
different units for different magnitudes
I’m not sure I get what you mean? Are you saying how we use ounces for tiny weights, pounds for “human”-ish weights, and tons for huge weights?
I think they mean ounces, cups, quarts, gallons, with no intuitive sense of conversion between them. I personally use ounces for almost everything (cocktail recipes are in 0.25 ounce increments, big cups are 40 ounces, big ol buckets can be 256 ounces). I might mess with gallons for very large amounts, but anything that can be expressed in cups or pints I’m usually just talking ounces anyway.
Your assumption is correct. I meant using cups, ounces, etc separately or in combination. Especially annoying when trying to figure out portions. Serving size: 8oz, package size: 1lb 4 oz. You have to do math every time.
I know it’s all based on what’s familiar, but I imagine I’d have a hard time converting to Celsius for a weather report. I’ve lived in tropical climates in the US for over half my life so when people say things like “it’s a hot 30 degrees out there!” it just short-circuits my brain.
If accuracy is not critical you can use some simple tricks to convert between them.
30C is roughly…2 x 30 + 32 = 92F which is only 6 degrees off the actual value which is 86F.
Having the more granular temperature seems more practical. I often find myself adjusting my thermostat by just a single degree F. Do heating/ac thermostats in Europe use half degrees as increments? Even then I don’t think it’s as granular. But just integer values would be super annoying.
Half a C is actually quite close to a whole F in delta. I don’t have a thermostat though.
I have not seen any thermostats in Europe with decimal degrees. But I also don’t think a thermostat is necessarily accurate to that level anyway.
lol you don’t think it’s accurate to a degree Fahrenheit? Why wouldn’t it be?
Because it’s mass produced consumer goods operating on a “below x temperature turn on heat/turn off AC” and “above y temperature turn off heat/turn on AC”. Old ones are just bimetallic strips where you change the trigger position with a slider, and modern ones use commodity grade temperature sensors, and neither is guaranteed to be placed particularly far from the vent.
The sensor is typically on the thermostat. Not at the vents. You would typically place the sensor in a central location in the house. A high quality multi speed motor AC is designed to keep a decently consistent temperature which is a bit more complex than just turn on / turn off. If you’re dropping $15k to $30k on central AC, they aren’t going to cheap out on a poor quality temp sensor.
It’s just not that fine tuned of an instrument. The furnace also runs on intervals so it’s just going to naturally fluctuate a bit. Like with anything “it depends”, but I doubt it’s possible to keep the room within a tenth of a centigrade just with a consumer level thermostat. Maybe in a small room with resistive heating? I’d love to see actual measurements of this.
I have always wondered why electronic thermostats use 0.5°C increments and the answer seems to be Fahrenheit compatibility.
Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn’t make sense.
This could be apocryphal, but I seem to recall hearing that a lot of American recipes got established during times of westward expansion, and that it made more sense for people moving out to the frontier to carry a measuring cup and a set of spoons that it did for them to carry a carefully-calibrated scale.
If they’d just standardized on one unit per measurement and apply si prefixes it’s still an imperial unit but easier to work with. Say a quart for volume, and a yard for distance, because they’re close to liter and meter. But I guess a kiloyard and a deciquart is taking it too far.
Yeah I think at that point it would be easier to just go metric.
Most Americans actually seem to be five with metric and probably would not mind it too much if we just switched. The objections are basically: 1) it’s too expensive to switch now (okay), or 2) it’s part of our identity (doubt). I swear to God everything is a culture war with some people.
More rational people, especially in STEM where it’s already the standard, prefer it.
In general though, I would argue that Americans know metric better then Europeans know US customary, for what that’s worth
It’s mostly about what you’re used to. Americans buy soda in liters, run 5km and do drugs by the gram. But we buy gasoline and milk in gallons and our recipes call for flour by volume. It’s mostly inertia. At the end of the day you have to communicate with people around you so you use units they understand.
But you don’t switch in one go, so costs can be spread out over years. First you would do double labeling, roll that out slowly, and with time the customary units slowly fades out.
Sure, I get that, and we already have dual labeling on a lot of stuff, maybe even most of the stuff. The problem there is that nobody actually reads the other labeling, so they are also not learning.
They need to go back to what they were doing before: First decide that we’re moving over so that mandates can be enforced.
Second, do what you were saying, and do dual labeling during the transition–but make metric most the prominent.
Third, educate kids in schools to use it (this already happens to a degree).
Fourth, launch massive informational campaigns to teach people how and why to use metric.
Fifth, step down the dual labeling gradually as more people are comfortable with the new units.
I expect there to be a long tail of non-metric units in use (see UK), but if we can switch more things over that is still an improvement. Heck, I’ll even take them just decimalizing and removing some smaller units (like lbs/oz).
The history of metrication in the US is as frustrating as it is an interesting read. It can certainly be done and many countries have shown it can be done, but it takes commitment and support from the highest levels.
Saying its too expensive to change is bullshit. Metric is common enough that most people who care about units at all end up having one set of tools for each system so they can use both as needed. This includes industry and machinists. It wouldn’t actually cost anything to change at this point we could just stop designing new things in imperial units and in a couple decades we would barely need imperial tools anymore, except to work on old stuff. Some engineers are just as pig headed as anyone though, so they just keep using imperial even though they know both, use both, and still run into problems with imperial.
I very much prefer to cook/bake/prep in metric grams.
2c white flour, sifted.
1c brown sugar, packed.
1c room temperature water.
2tsp active dry yeast.
2tbsp vegetable oil.
1/2tsp baking powder.
2 egg yolks.
5 egg whites.
Pinch of cinnamon.Fuck you. Tell me how many grams that is. I don’t need five different tools to measure out my ingredients. I need a wet bowl, a dry bowl, and a scale.
Also this isn’t a real recipe I just started naming shit at random.
I’ve had to translate recipes from Norwegian to American and this struggle is real. Never thought I’d need to look up material density tables for cooking.
“To American” … what?
We have kitchen scales, we know how to weigh ingredients.
Old recipes in English often use volume measurements, across the pond too.
Modern recipes use weights when possible.
Idk why you’d convert to
ye olde style.I accidentally a word. Converting recipes from Norwegian and metric to American and US customary units.
I’m aware. I have a scale, too. But most people didn’t weigh dry ingredients. So when I translate for someone else I have to use the “normal” measures they’re used to. For myself, I speak the language and just use metric, my scale, and a measuring cup with both markings.
You made cake btw.
mg, g, kg
What are the others meant to represent?
h = hecto da = deca (had to look that one up) d = deci c = centi
×100, ×10, ÷10, ÷100, respectively
You’ll know centi from centimetres. Decimetres are somewhat common because 1dm³ = 1L. Hectopascal is a common unit of pressure.
no one uses hg or dag or dg… wouldve been better to put kg, mg, ug, ng on here…
- Hectograms - 100 grams
- Dekagrams - 10 grams
- Decigrams - .1 grams
- Centigrams - .01 grams
Nobody uses those in every day conversation.
They will be used in specific contexts, like measuring fluids with syringes where space is limited and accuracy needs to be high.
Certain ones get used a lot, like centimeters and dekapascals.
I had a running gag once with my cheese guy where i would order in hectograms. I probably found it more amusing than he did.
Your cheese guy? You may be doing life better than me.
hahah, there’s a small deli up the road and the same guy runs the counter most of the time.
C is even more intuitive than the graphic.
0 = water’s frozen 100 = water’s boiling
Also…
- 30 is hot
- 20 is nice
- 10 is cold
- 0 is ice
I had an American explain “well you just know that 68 is long sleeve warm, 80 is shorts” or something, as if people cannot memorize that 18 is chilly and 21/22 is usual room temperature, 26 is shorts.
The only thing I dislike like about Celsius is that my thermostat supports both, but doesn’t allow half degrees Celsius, so it provides less granular control in Celsius than if you set it to Fahrenheit.
I’m in Québec, -10 is chilly, 14 is shorts :)
Same in Alberta -10 maybe put on a jacket, 14 grab the beers and fire up the BBQ it’s patio time
oui, toujours :)
I was about to say, in Denmark i definitely have shorts on in the teens, else I’d barely need to own any
As you approach 0°F it is getting dangerously cold. As you approach 100°F it’s getting dangerously hot. Celsius is obviously better scientifically, but fahrenheit is pretty reasonable for everyday use (unlike other imperial measurements).
Really my point is you can memorize new numbers when you look at the weather report.
When I go (went ) to the US it was not obvious to me looking at the weather in Fahrenheit what it would feel like.
Of course. I’m just adding that there is some logic to fahrenheit in day to day use.
Yeah, you just remember 0/20/40 °C close enough to 30/70/100 °F is freezing/good/heat stroke.
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0°F is way colder than 100°F is hot.
There are hardly any population centers that reach the lower temperature while there’s a shitton of them that reach the hotter one. That should say enough about how dangerous and inhospitable each is.
That’s not true. NYC frequently reaches 0°F and is home to 15 million people. All of northern US, and all of Canada frequently reach 0°F. It’s a fact than anything below 0°F is actively dangerous and anything above 100°F is actively dangerous.
Anything below 10°F is actively dangerous. Anything above 110°F is actively dangerous.
NYC barely ever reaches 0°F according to this site:
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/new-york/lowest-temperatures-by-year
Seriously, NYC is closer to having regular 100°F weather than 0°F and it is in the Northern US!
In other terms: -18°C is extremely fucking cold, 38°C is just regular hot.
I grew up in Rochester NY, and there are many days with a zero or subzero windchill. Once it gets below 0°F, it is definitely actively dangerous. I’ve waited for a school bus in 7 to 10°F weather without issues.
And weight also revolves around water. 1L of water is 1KG which is 1000cm2 whereas 1cm2 is 1g. Super easy to calculate things.
*cm³
I once heard an American say something “weighs as much as a 2 liter bottle” and it made me raise an eyebrow.
Most metric units are designed around water in some way. Very easy to convert to different units because of this. 1mL of water is equal to 1g of water which is equal to 1 cubic cm of water, for example.
and it takes 1 calorie to heat 1g of water by 1°C, so with your daily recommended food intake of 2000kcal you could heat 2000l of water by 1°C or raise 20l of water from 0°C to 100°C.
Also a normal person can rides the bike between 0W and 100W comfortably, while trained people peak at around 1000W for short sprints.
*at sea level, assuming pure water
It’s intuitive with respect to water. Applying it to anything else is exactly the same as the Fahrenheit scale: you associate various things with numbers.
My water does not describe 100°C as “warm”
As a woman I also only take 100ºC showers
Any hotter wouldn’t be a shower anymore, would it?
Supercriticality has entered the chat.
People who say 100°C is warm make my blood boil.
I had to look it up, TIL blood boils at the same temp as water
The funnuest argument for farenheit that i keep seeing is: celsius is good for scientific things, but in everyday life, farenheit is better, because it tells you how it FEELS. 60F feels pleasant while 40 is too cold.
The delusion is real, even tge dumbest american can learn new numbers, i believe in you the same way you velive a pedo is gonna save you
Yes but 69F is nice while 69C is not
69C is hot
69C is hawt.
It is a very tepid temperature for tea.
Exactly, its just cope. Someone who grew up entirely on metric temperature will have exactly the same intuition. For example myself:
<0 = freezing 0-10 = Cold 11-17 = Warming up 18-24 = Comfortably warm 25-29 = Tropical 30-40 = Uncomfortably hot >40 = Dangerously hot
Besides which, all of this goes out the window once wind chill and other external effects that absolute temperature cannot account for come into play.
It’s the usual American exceptionalism that causes them to throw a tantrum every time they’re asked to conform to a worldwide standard. There’s a reason most of the world uses metric measurements for most things in every day life, and its because it just works once you get used to it.
Fahrenheit is just a metric measurement of human experience. Why do you hate base ten?
The delusion is real, even tge dumbest american can learn new numbers, i believe in you the same way you velive a pedo is gonna save you
Do not overestimate US Americans: they didn’t manage to prevent him becoming president, twice - with all kind of insane justifications on all sides…
I think it’s sort of useful for weather, since in most places you’re not gonna see temperatures under 0F or above 100F much if at all, so the scaling seems a bit easier. Other than that though, yeah, it’s pretty terrible.
Where I live temperature in celsius is symmetric about 0. -40 to +40. I think that scaling is easier than -40 to +100.
Yeah, obviously isn’t the case everywhere, but I think such extreme temperature ranges are kind of rare (excluding random one-off days that are super cold or hot for whatever reason).
For places that get super cold (like below 0F a lot), generally Celsius probably makes more sense in terms of scaling.
Celsius isn’t even used in science. Kelvins are used.
They’re the same, except shifted by 273
This is the same level as “everyone has an accent except for me”
Burgerperson here, metric should be standard
The original Fahrenheit system was actually pretty clever. It set 0° at the temperature of brine and 96° at internal body temperature. That made marking a thermometer really easy. Like, ridiculously easy. 96 is divisible by two many times before reaching a decimal.
Because the freezing temperature of water was really close to 32°, the later Fahrenheit system set that as the lower temperature and 212° as the boiling point instead of using body temperature. That made marking a thermometer more difficult, and basically took away Fahrenheit’s only advantage. It was more consistent though. Now Fahrenheit is formally defined based on Kelvin.
Centigrade was originally marked as 100° at the freezing temperature, going down as temperature increases to 0° at the boiling temperature. Obviously that didn’t last long. The downside is that marking a Celsius thermometer depended on atmospheric pressure. Now Celsius is defined based on Kelvin by -273.15° being absolute zero and a degree corresponding to a very specific amount of heat energy increase.
So yeah, Fahrenheit hasn’t made any sense for many many years.
…and the heat energy for 1K stemming from one 1°C
No, it’s ultimately defined in joules.
every 1 K change of thermodynamic temperature corresponds to a change in the thermal energy, kBT, of exactly 1.380649×10−23 joules.
Yeah, of course that is the case now that most definitions have been updated to be tied to physical constants rather than observations that rely on specific conditions…
But the same wiki article you linked literally says otherwise. The Kelvin’s magnitude was based on the magnitude of Celcius because of Charle’s Law.
I.e. the volumes of gases under the ideal gas law scaled linearly with degrees celcius by about 1/273rd between 0-100C - which led to the prediction that the lowest possible temperature a gas could be was -273C (because that would be the point where it theoretically would have absolutely zero volume).
Which is a long-winded way of saying stop being a smartass. The guy you replied to was just as technically correct as you were, given they said 1k stemmed from 1C.
I.e. the volumes of gases under the ideal gas law scaled linearly with degrees celcius by about 1/273rd between 0-100C - which led to the prediction that the lowest possible temperature a gas could be was -273C (because that would be the point where it theoretically would have absolutely zero volume).
No horse in this race, but this is cool as fuck. So that’s how the first tries at measuring absolute zero were made.
But they didn’t say “stemmed”. They said “stemming”. But sure, they’re technically correct in a historical context. I wanted to be more precise about the current definition. Under that current definition, it’s actually degree Celsius that stems from Kelvin.
There was something I read once upon a time that was like:
F is how hot/cold people are C is how hot/cold water is K is how hot/cold matter is
I feel like that’s pretty accurate.
I got used to Celsius while living abroad in Europe and Japan and prefer it to Fahrenheit. The extra granularity of the latter scale doesn’t really add much more utility.
However, while 32 F and 212 F are pretty arbitrary, so is calibrating to the freezing and boiling temperatures of water. I’d rather have a scale that’s calibrated to humans rather than H2O.
0 is absolute cold, any other system is wrong.
Fun fact Americans do both
0 C being the temperature water freezes is useful for knowing if there is ice outside, which has practical use. If we keep going the way we are, soon 100 will be an indicator that there is no water outside. Practical if you’re a hydrophobe or hydrophile.
212 warm / 100 warm
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In my opinion, Fahrenheit is a much better system for weather. Anything below 0°F and above 100°F is actively dangerous for a person to exist in. Anything in between is just normal weather. For anything scientific, I think K makes more sense than C. To me, C is actually only rarely useful.
In physics maybe but plenty of scientific fields where your temperatures are commonly not superfreezing. Using K just bloats up your numbers then, without any benefit. In case you ever need K, just add 273.15 to the temperature in °C. The only difference is the base, the increments are the same. Fahrenheit is much less compatible with Kelvin.
In my opinion C and F are equally good for everyday use. Neither is better than the other. Although C is more “scientific” than F, it’s still a very much arbitrary scale at the end of the day. Knowing water freezes at 0C is not different at all than knowing it freezes at 32F for the purposes of knowing you might have ice on the road. Knowing 35C is hot weather is no different than 100F. The human mind can adapt to each of them just as easily as the other. Neither of them makes your life harder or easier than the other.
For normal weather, 0°F to 100°F is easier to understand than -17°C to 38°C. Just like 0°C for freezing water and 100°C for boiling water is easier to remember. It’s just how our brains work. We like nice round numbers. Plus, there’s a higher fidelity between 0 and 100 than between -17 and 38.
It really makes no real difference for everyday use. The higher resolution of the scale is not relevant at all for deciding what to wear outside. It takes no time at all for your brain to adjust to either one of them. 38 becomes no different to you than a nice round 100.
Easier to understand FOR YOU.
There is a reason only 3 countries is the whole world use the imperial system of measurement.
Why would anyone care about -17°C? It is an arbitrary number without any relevance. The only relevance it has to you is if you think in Fahrenheit where it is an arbitrary zero point. Not even 38°C is a number you frequently hear used, unless its seriously hot and it happens to be the ambient temperature. Human body temperature is more relevant, but it isn’t a round number in either of the measurement systems, nor is it identical between individuals either.
That “higher fidelity” argument just makes me wonder if some people don’t know the decimal system. 22.7°C, there you go. Most people don’t need that level of precision but it if they do, they simply add a position after the comma and are done with it.
