We need go start talking about the year of the GNU/Linux phone
Or the year of free (as in freedom) pocket computers, since the global telephony system goes against the freedoms.
PostmarketOS isn’t GNU
Anyways it’d be interesting to see more niche OSes on phones (there’s a mobile port of Genode/Sculpt OS for example)
For all þe memes about Apple fans þrowing money at Apple for minor phone updates every 10mos, on þe Android side þis will infuriate a small minority, but most Android users won’t even notice and will continue to buy new Android phones every year, too.
Your comment’s got some unreadable corrupted text there.
Nah it’s something they do intentionally for attention. Won’t be too long before you get an “ackchually” reply from them explaining what the character means
To be fair I do the same thing. But come on, shouldn’t the popularity of the character be a factor‽
They’re not even using it correctly because it should be ðe and ðis as they’re soft voice sounds.
Yes and it’s frustrating
No, they’re just a moron. Block them and move on with life. Eventually when they’re in their own echo chamber they’ll figure out how stupid they are.
It’s a thorn, equivalent to a th. Some people get all worked up over them using it like the bloke shat on their mother’s grave.
How could someone do something odd on Lemmy, bastion of normalcy?! It’s so unusual and offensive!
/s
Weird character = th, it’s the only one they replace
Concerning that this thread is overrun with bots telling me to download some super duper safe LLM
Naw it happens, usually an instance goes rampant with bot accounts and gets nuked. It’s like the early days of Reddit round here.
Yeah this whole comment section is weird as fuck.
Love that some megacorp can just make decisions like this that affects billions of people.
Really just feeling the fucking freedom. I hate everything.
The megacorps can do anything they want with their product. The chef can change the menu anytime and he can refuse you service - it’s his restaurant. Our problem is that it’s a duopoly and there’s nowhere else to go.
The only way out is open standards and platforms, enabling true competition.
Real quick.
Just imagine you order a plate of pasta. You’re only two bites in, and it’s DELICIOUS.
Then here comes chef. While making full eye contact, he tips your plate and dumps all of that pasta in the trash.
Chef proceeds to take a giant wet shit onto the plate. He brings a new set of silverware and a fresh napkin right before your server comes back with the check.
You insist that you didn’t order a giant wet shit, but they won’t take it off the bill.
Let’s stop pretending this is an inevitable oopsie. This shit is egregious.
More like you go to the restaurant every day and eat your favorite meal and one day its just not on the menu anymore.
I am not buying a new phone every day. I have already purchased the phone and now the functionality is being changed.
You could technically stop updating. But thats not feasible since it would put your device security to peril. Until or only if we were to use a FOSS system would we be able to chose which parts of the updates we don’t accept. It sucks but google can basically do anything they want to android and if you’re on a proprietary vendor you’re stuck with that patch
Don’t overstretch my analogy like that. How about this:
Google has standardized The Restaurant. The kitchens all have the same tools and ingredients and are open to anyone. Seating and billing is standardized, and you can easily order and pay at your table, and the food is delivered straight to you via pneumatic tubes and nicely packaged. The food might be expensive or cheap, tasty or revolting, but the experience is always the same.
There are a lot of hobby cooks that like to cook in the Google restaurants. If you want to eat their food, you might have to pick it up straight at the kitchen, or nicely ask the hobby waiters. The food is good and free, so some people tip the cooks or waiters directly. The cooks have been there for years and really whipping up nice creations - mostly for free, beacause the ingredients and tools were free, and they really like to cook.
Now Google introduced a new rule: everyone has to use their billing and pneumatic delivery system, citing improved food safety. The hobby cooks and waiters are infuriated, and even some of their customers, and they demand that everyone can still come to the kitchen or the waiters. But Google just says: look, my restaurant, my rules. If you don’t like it go make your own.
Except that google’s "standardized, “packaged” food is just as unsafe or even less safe than the hobby cooks’, and they’re only using “food safety” as a pretense to capture the market and hold clientele hostage.
And this change has also been preceded by buying out every other restaurant chain in town, except for the “Apple Restaurants,” which are already a walled garden, which Google is now trying to emulate even though most of its user base came to it specifically to avoid Apple’s business model.
And there are a few other smaller chains based on Google’s standards, but they’re considered niche and don’t all support every feature (“sorry, no ATMS”). Also, since most of their equipment comes from Google, Google likely has a killswitch and can cut off their stoves and refrigerators at any time.
It’s clearly an anti-trust issue, but since Apple has already set the precedent and the US is pro-corporation and anti-consumer, everyone is kinda just screwed.
The point is that Google’s head chef can come out and shit on your plate, and if you don’t like it then it sucks to suck because there aren’t really any viable alternatives.
as much as i despise microsoft, at least windows phone was competition.
Daddy Googs won’t be happy until it’s a walled garden just like iOS
“Fascist oligarchy of capitalist dictators continue to implement totalitarian surveillance apparatus. Majority of talking chimps sleepwalking into dystopia.”
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Android was an open standard and platform, a LONG time ago. Then Google did a rug pull with all new features of android requiring 100% of their services to function.
No, it wasn’t ever. It always belonged to Google who benevolently open sourced parts of it and retains control.
Safetynet and PlayIntegrity are under Google’s control. The PlayStore is Google’s. All of the APIs are Google’s! Hardware blobs are closed and belong to the manufacturer.
Just because some of the stuff shows up on GitHub doesn’t make it an open platform.
Android was out for at least five years before Safetynet was a thing. I’m surprised people weren’t louder in their objections to that then.
It’s more like:
There are 2 grocery store chains in your city and zero restaurants or other ways to get food not owned by those chains. One already has a supply of only expensive, big-brand products, with nothing organic and very few healthy items The other chain has more independent items that are healthier and more reasonably-priced, as they allowed smaller companies to sell there. Now they are closing the door to these smaller companies, making them appear as a clone to the first chain.
Trouble with this analogy is the pasta they serve you eat for about 2 years and they can change what’s on your plate at any time.
this is a reply from further down that is actually correct:
This is being presented as more doom laden than is warranted. Ostensibly it is an effort to stop less technically able users from installing malware, certainly there will be unspoken ulterior motivations but such is the world we have allowed to grow around us. As far as overarching evil plans go this is quite a benign example.
Get that boot out your mouth, you don’t know where it’s been.
Which is bullshit. You already had to enable external downloads this is just them even farther encroaching on our ownership of our devices.
And just manage to push it unilaterally too. This shit must be opposed.
Love how every comment in this thread is just the same guy spamming some AI bullshit website. They are all 1 day old accounts from Lemmy.cafe instance. Blocked all of them.
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This is being presented as more doom laden than is warranted. Ostensibly it is an effort to stop less technically able users from installing malware, certainly there will be unspoken ulterior motivations but such is the world we have allowed to grow around us. As far as overarching evil plans go this is quite a benign example.
lol this is the truth and you got downvoted to hell
i thought lemmings actually knew a thing or two about linux
You are catching it now too, but such is the way of it. People do not want levelled counter views and debate they want to scream bloody villainy and evil doings and then disappear into the crowd when everything turns out fine. And do it all in the name of free speech, as long as its only their speech of course.
Its not true though.
It’s not about linux knowledge, but having 21 gullible readers who think google will not further the limitations
This has to be just a first step though.
Yeah this was bound to happen at some point, the state of the App Store currently is just garbage.
Plus it’s not like this can’t be circumvented, you just have to go through a process and wait 24 hours once, not every time.
I would prefer that Alphabet keep Android open, but honestly, how can anybody be surprised? Eventually Google is going to tighten the screws on Android. I haven’t looked into it, but hopefully there are some truly free options out there. Graphene?
if apple can profit and survive from a walled garden, google is only now seeing that as a PLUS.
Graphene is Android based. Not sure what it’d mean for them in case Android fully locks down.
The sideloading block will likely be enforced by Play Services, so GrapheneOS won’t be affected. Android is also open source, so even if Google implements the block within Android itself, GrapheneOS can just remove it.
So far, yes. But what if they will close stuff down more? My understanding is majority of work on Android is done by Google - so they can decide it will no longer be open source, or just partially.
Google already squeezing grafene. Grafene can no longer use pixel deves, Google won’t open new pixels.
Only new device they gonna get is some Motorola device not yet relesed
They haven’t said that Pixels won’t be supported.
Source for new Pixels not being supported please?
Not sure if there is a definite confirmation on this, but I do remember there were hints that at some point they might not support new Pixels. No source on hand though, I only have vague recollection on this
Please consider donating to PostmarketOS to build up a pure mobile Linux alternative that is completely free of Google’s influence. It’s the best option we have.
It’s the best option we have.
Wow, that guy is an absolute putz. Like, postmarketOS literally tells you that their shit is not ready for prime time and to be ready for it to be a little bit wonky right now. And this guy is acting like they’re advertising it as it is ready for Freddy and it’s just garbage or something. Not to mention the way he installed it was just stupid. My 8-year-old niece could do this better than he did.
I think I’ll find a video made by somebody more competent.
He’s a comedian. His videos aren’t meant to be taken seriously.
Comedians really need to stop using that line to justify being putzes, as it ignores the fact that they have a very real influence on people’s perceptions, and therefore the decisions they make and the overall trajectory of society.
Every media personality needs to recognize this responsibility, regardless of whether or not their content is intended to be “serious.”
“It’s just a joke, bro.” Yeah, well your “joke” is actively harming the development and adoption of one of our only potential ways out of this duopoly of walled gardens.
The channel description says
SAMTIME is probably the only channel on the internet not smelling the farts of the big tech companies! From Apple to Samsung, Huawei to OnePlus, we make fun of everyone and tell it like it is (aaand maybe exaggerate just a little if it’s funny).
and that seems about right from the handful of videos I’ve watched. He spends a lot more time mocking big tech firms than poking fun at Linux.
If his intention is to mock big tech, then mocking linux and the only viable alternatives to big tech is kinda misplaced.
The intention is to mock everything in tech. He mostly mocks big tech, but nothing is immune.
Long-term, yes. It isn’t ready as a daily driver for the average person (hence why I used the term ‘build up’), but there is realistically no other option that can truly be called community owned like PostmarketOS can. It’s our best shot at a permanent non-enshittified platform, it just needs our support so it can become polished and support more phones :)
What about fairphone? Don’t they run a Ubuntu option?
Hijacking as I’ve done on other posts. In my country all 3 major tellcos needed to verify phones can call emergency on VoLTE.
FP5 does this. For whatever reason the telcos cant “conform” that (its not sold here but important and DOES work) so the device is blocked at a network level.
Not blocked just for calls but even data.
Phone is now a brick. Double brick once the Android changes roll through.
Damn, that sucks. What country does that? (If it’s large enough to not dox yourself, of course)
Sounds like Australia to me.
Damn. The guy just doxed himself.
no they don’t. they do have a partnership with Murena, which sells them preinstalled with /e/, which is a degoogled Android ROM. there is a Ubuntu Touch port available for some Fairphone models though.
So that would be a yes. Yes they do.
And Why are we being confrontational about this?
The issue with Ubuntu Touch is that unfortunately it uses an outdated Android kernel (which is also usually not receiving security updates) and a Halium abstraction layer to access the closed source binary blob Android drivers for the phone’s hardware. It also requires that it be installed on top of an existing Android install, so in all it’s more of Linuxified layer on top of Android, which means it’s not truly escaping the control of the Android/Google ecosystem.
UBPorts also appears to inherit the use of CLA’s from Canonical:
I’m very much not a fan of CLA’s., which SailfishOS also employs.
The advantage of PostmarketOS (even though it is not ready as a daily driver for the average person), is that it uses the upstream Linux kernel with open-source GPU/hardware drivers, not an Android kernel to access the outdated proprietary GPU/Hardware blobs.
The other problem is that Ubuntu is the “How do you do, fellow kids?” of FOSS operating systems.
It suffers from that less now since Canonical abandoned the project. UBPorts is AFAIK just a community project to keep it alive. I would’ve assumed they would drop the CLA stuff, but I guess they didn’t want to or couldn’t for whatever reason?
I thought graphene was the best daily driver for the moment ?
Graphene is currently the best daily driver for the average person, but as they are a hardened Android fork, they are still somewhat reliant on Google playing ball.
PostmarketOS is not ready for the average person, but it is our best long-term option since it is not based on Android at all.
Just signed up to donate 5 euros a month. Took me about 45 seconds.
Legend! :D
TempleOS phone, when?
Hold my lithium
Hopefully this pushes Linux on Mobile devices to be a more daily drivable platform at least. Otherwise, guess we’re fucked since there’s no way Google will give in to the backlash since if memory serves me correctly they NEVER have. It’s almost like they’re basically a monopoly and can be as anti-consumer as they want or something…
So does this mean FDroid cannot be used with just any Android phone?
Yes.
Huh?
They stated that there will be a bypass and to just wait 24 hours until you can install APKs as usual. Permanently without additional cooldowns.It’s another story how long this will stay but for now,your answer is false information.
Ok, technically you’re right. You can still install apps from f-droid with any Android phone for now. The issue is more that most Android uses will not perform those steps so f-droid will not be able to reach them. People that are already using f-droid and understand what’s going on are file (for now).
Exactly what I said.
Authenticate, wait, unlock indefinitely and then have fun.Like I said. It’s only a matter of “how long” that will stay but it’s as of right now false information that it’s completely impossible to bypass it on stock android.
I think the bigger problem is though that all this talk is leading to developers abandoning plans for android apps. Not very attractive if you never intended to sign up for the Play Store.
I am so confused about these changes, I thought I downloaded Jerboa through Fdroid. What does this message mean? The only option to continue using Jerboa is to root my phone?
Is this completely unrelated?
I means that to continue using Jerboa you will have to do what is described in my comment (the 9 step process).
and two years later they’re gonna announce that according to their telemetry, not enough people are perfoming all those acrobatics to make maintaining it viable, and will close it off completely.
so - yes, there is a bypass for an indefinitely enabled apk installation with the annoyance of 24 hour wait when you first get the phone.
not great though, I agree.
They’ll push the update through Google Play Services, so if your phone is Gapps free, you’ll probably be able to continue to use F-Droid.
Ok, so I might as well buy an iPhone then because this is the only thing android did better lmao. Fuck you google.
I hate Mussolini, i’ll side with that Hitler guy
Sadly Jolla only offers their products in the EU, for those of us in North America we just have to flash old Sony models, or look on with envy, as far as a phone with Sailfish OS goes. The one thing that bothers me is not all of Sailfish is open source though, but overall I think its a cool project.
Use GrapheneOS. It’s degoogled android. Currently you have to install it yourself on a Pixel phone but AFAIK Motorola is working on releasing device with Graphene pre installed
looks like I know what my next phone purchase will. and new, even.
Do they actually make it better or does their marketing say so?
considering, EU aside, that you can’t load software on an iphone outside of the App Store, I’d say yes.
Even in the EU there isn’t really an alt store ecosystem apart from the epic game store
It’s made better, especially if you have additional Apple products.
I already feel the angry fanboys, so I’m ready for downvotes.
Well, there’s that & whatnot.
Does this effect patched apps? Like YouTube Revanced
