I’m not going say I’m not tempted
Sounds like nice people. Cant fault them for it, tech has gone down the drain over the years and newer stuff isn’t really worth the cost anymore.
Are they recruiting?Though why specifically 2021? What exactly happened at that specific year?
AI started to become good enough to be marketable.
Chat started to pop off
Chat, ? Pop off?
Can you elaborate a little more on that?
Well, ‘chat’ is Internet Chat, as it’s been known for 30 years when it moved from academia to mainstream.
‘Pop off’ is just this year’s slang for “rapidly gain popularity”, and it’ll be replaced by something equally ephemeral (like with ‘fetch’, ‘fleek’, some level of ‘rizz’ or ‘cap’) soon.
Stop trying to make fetch happen. It’s not going to happen.
This comment is streets ahead.
Thank you, but that still doesn’t really explain why 2021. Chatting services we’re popular way before that. Something must have happened in the year 2021 in relation to technology so that this specific year was chosen as last decent production year for technology.
This might be my “woosh” moment. But I’ll bite.
I think they were referring to ChatGPT being let loose on the general public. That kinda marked the start for the current AI bubble and the enshittification of every new tech product with some sort of LLM bullshit.
No, I’m genuinely curious why such an odd number, like 2020 would make more sense as it’s the beginning of a decade.
ChatGPT was released late 2022. So it cant be that one either. Maybe some other AI chat service was released around 2021?
Yeah. Or maybe they just got the number wrong, like I did.
I saw a comment somewhere else on Lemmy saying they heard someone refer to asking chatgpt something as “asking chat.” So I think it was a meta reference to calling AI chat.
And yes, since chatgpt was released in 2022 my cutoff for searches is also 2021, so it makes perfect sense to me.
Yeah that does make sense, thank you.
I thought pop-off was like 10 years old
Maybe for certain groups of people. It’s decades old.
All fads circle back
Can confirm. I’m 40 (oldest Millenial) and shit was poppin-off back in 2010.
“Chat” is ChatGPT and “pop off” is popular or gaining traction.
I promise I’m old, I’m just going back to university and am surrounded by children lol
Doing HW is why my response lagged, my bad.
When young people say “chat,” they’re not talking about ChatGPT. Generally speaking.
Thank you for explaining. Language does seem to evolve faster than i can keep up with it.
The kids today will ask a sort of rhetorical questions out loud and say something like, “chat, should I (under whatever nonsense here)”. In this instance, they’re pretending to be streamers and ask the viewers. But if someone says, “I’ll just ask chat to write my paper (or whathaveyou).” That’s ChatGPT. The difference is contextual.
That’s good to know. Thank you. Yeah context can change a lot, but not even knowing the context can make it rather hard to guess any meaning.
Normally I’d say you can ignore it because it’ll change soon enough, but I think “ask chat” will become synonymous with “ask ai” similar to how “Google it” is now considered personal research/look it up.
Are we? I wasn’t aware
Not amish.
Moral compass.
The Luddites got a bad rap. They weren’t anti-technology. They just knew that the technology was being used to push their wages down and make their hours longer.
Ned Ludd knew that smashing the machines was sometimes the best option!
Yeah, after I learned about his movement, I stopped using the term as a pejorative. They were’ pretty based.
A lot of the machinery was also dangerous AF.
It’s not all tech. Just the shitty tech like AI or that benefits shitty people.
Idk framework 16 seems pretty nice
I’m not going digital Amish, but I’m trying my best not to let tech oligarchs hoard wealth that they can use to pursue their take on techno feudalism.
Most things could be nice if they were done environment consciously with something else than profit-oriented data harvesting in mind: social networks, LLMs, even smart glasses.
I think that it’s not that people refuse to use new tech, I think it’s more that most of what is coming out is just worse in terms of usability and functionality in a lot of ways. Not so much a rejection of innovation, but a rejection of the priorities that major industry players have decided on. Like, “improvement” is relative, and what people care about isn’t being improved or actively being regressed.
They’re making bad products, and people don’t want them.
I am so overwhelmed by the visual clutter of Win 11 and the bizarre choices MS made. It’s like every time I want to do something fairly basic I have to relearn everything.
100% confirm.
I’m driving a rented car for work this week. It’s a 2025 Chevy Traverse. Not a single engineer was involved in making this car. It’s one of the worst cars I think I’ve ever driven.
The gear shift is on the steering wheel where the windshield wiper control arm would be normally.
Shifting requires pulling in that bar and then moving it up or down. To put it in Park, you press a button on the tip of it.
The parking break is also a button. But it doesn’t work unless the car engine is on. The car engine turns on by also pushing a button.
Windshield wipers? Button press. Windshield wipers plus cleaning fluid? Same button, but press it harder.
You want to adjust the treble or bass of the music you’re listening to? You can ONLY do that when the Radio is on. Then turn it off. Then switch to Spotify, etc for added Bass.
Near collision detection? It’s got the normal lights that light up. But it ALSO has a rumble pack in the driver’s chair that vibrates the left or right side of your balls if something is near that side of the car. How near? Someone walking by it on the sidewalk triggered it when I was at a stop sign, and literally jostled my nuts for 20 seconds.
This car literally sexually assaults you during near collisions.
Which I guess might be great if you’re suicidal and want to nut while almost dying.
honestly non open source stuff from basically the teens going forwared Im not wild about.
I like technology (mostly pre-2010), but I think there’s been a philosophical shift in the things that modern tech companies prioritize. AI is a huge part of the problem obviously, but it’s more of a symptom than a cause.
I want something that I can repair and modify. I want the internals to be easy to access and made out of parts cheap enough for me to replace. I want to be able to play pretend like I’m Terry Davis and not have to deal with UEFI bullshit telling me what I can and can’t run on my computer.
It’s all a move to walled gardens with very limited access to the OS or hardware, where the focus is on touch screens and amplified UIs. I’m the kind of person who customized Xmonad and Vimperator (RIP, I know there are dupes but it’s not the same) to never even bother with a mouse, and so it all feels unnatural. I spend so much time fighting my autocorrect when I’m on windows or Mac products, another one of those “helpful” features that is forced and obnoxious.
It’s a move from computers as toy (LEGO set) to computers as toy (needoh squishy). They’ve become machines designed to deliver content and extract data while you zone out. Some of the most fucking fun I’ve had in my life has been spending 6 hours writing PERL to do something I probably could have done manually in 30 minutes or strange journeys into the windows registry as I try to figure out why all of my / changed into ¥, and that’s just not the vibe of anything in modern technology. Everything is designed to hide as much of itself from you.
“Oh no! Something went wrong! Better call support” instead of “Error 332: Look it up and fix it”
people are saying its because of AI, but its actually because they refuse to get any information regarding technoblades death
I think you meant to say “people are saying it’s because of slop” - no sane person that I know refusing to work with this shit is dumb enough to call it “AI”
slop is often used to refer to things that were not made using generative AI
but yeah, AI is the wrong term
Fair enough, I only started reading the term when it was used to express disdain for machine learning systems being wrongly marketed as “AI”
I end up scare-quotes a lot in text and saying “so-called AI” when speaking.
I sometimes use just the quotes for brevity, but I mostly use “slop”. I hate the implicit suggestion there’s any kind of intelligence/understanding involved in generating the output. That combined with the admittedly impressive looking/sounding results leads people to believe it’s actually accurate & reliable, which it isn’t.
they are AI though
how would it be wrong marketing?
they are AI though
see - when they sell statistical gibberish generators as “AI”, gullible people will believe it. You just proved my point.
they are selling statistical gibberish generators as AI because AI is a very broad term that includes machine learning
Only by the definition of people who try to sell this bullshit.
Someone is pushing a very stupid narrative about those of us who see the situation as anything other than progress.
Whoever sets up the first anti-AI town is going to do very well for themselves.
there should be theme towns for every decade with era appropriate technology in each one
Hollywood has this essentially but it’s for filming.
If the Amish weren’t Christian, I’d be tempted to join them…
A lot of them live in severe poverty.
Even if that’s true on an individual level - they often pool funds as a community to those in need (mutual aid).
The Amish where I live are doing better than most people with their businesses, which are thriving in this economy.
Extreme religious austerity tends in that direction without eider community support.
eider
I’m assuming this was a typo – sea duck community support makes no sense – but I can’t quite figure out what the intended word was. Elder? Other? Something else?
Whoops, meant to write wider community support. Like Catholic nuns and priests have the congregation who tithe and a similar system for Buddhist monks as well as monks off a lot of faiths.
Ah, that does make more sense :) Thank you
Ever heard of Wwoofing? There are tons of not christian international communities with their own vibe around. There’s also many more not listed aka you just kinda need to know people.
Wow that’s a pretty awful name lol
Don’t take life too seriously. We all push daisies in the end. I will say it’s definitely not for everyone.
