there are thousands of documented miracles in the Catholic Church
let me give you another one
Marie Bailly, 23, was dying of acute tubercular peritonitis. Her father, mother, and one brother had all died of tuberculosis. Her abdomen was massively distended with hard tubercular masses and fluid. She was in a semi-coma with a racing pulse, blue complexion, and labored breathing.
Dr. Alexis Carrel — a brilliant, agnostic French surgeon — accompanied sick pilgrims on the “White Train” to Lourdes, partly out of scientific curiosity. He examined Bailly on the train and concluded she was near death.
The Witness
Carrel was standing over Bailly at the Grotto with his notebook. As water from the Lourdes spring was applied to her abdomen, he documented what happened minute by minute:
At 2:40 PM, her labored breathing became regular
Her racing pulse steadied
The massive abdominal swelling began to visibly shrink
By 3:00 PM — twenty minutes later — the blanket over her abdomen had gradually sunk as the distension completely disappeared
Her blue cheeks turned rosy
The hard tubercular masses were gone
Bailly said: “All right. I am not very energetic, but I feel that I am healed.” She ate dinner that evening and walked the next morning.
this one was verified by her agnostic doctor who won the nobel prize in medicine later
On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.
The Archbishop who ordered the investigation was Jorge Bergoglio — now Pope Francis
Dr. Ricardo Castañón Gómez, a former atheist, coordinated the scientific analysis
A tissue sample was sent to New York for blind testing
The primary examiner was Dr. Frederick Zugibe, a secular forensicpathologistt and cardiologist at Columbia University
He was not told where the sample came from or what it had been
The Witness
Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.
He found intact, active white blood cells — cells that typically disintegrate within 15 minutes outside a living body
Professor John Walker (University of Sydney) later confirmed intact white blood cells in the same tissue six years after the event
The blood type was AB, matching the Lanciano relic and the Shroud of Turin
When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”
For living white blood cells to be present in heart muscle from a Host that had been in water for three years defies the known laws of biology. The tissue showed no decomposition. The sample was submitted blind to a secular forensic scientist who had no theological investment in the result.
The Skeptic’s Rebuttal
Skeptics raise two objections. First, they invoke Serratia marcescens — a common red-pigmented bacterium that thrives in damp environments like a wafer in water, and has been blamed for nearly every “bleeding host” in history. Second, they attack the chain of custody: the sample sat in a jar in Argentina for three years before being sent to New York. A skeptic will say: “I don’t doubt Dr. Zugibe analyzed human heart tissue. I doubt that the heart tissue was ever a piece of bread. Someone swapped it.”
The Forensic Counter-Argument
The *Serratia* argument collapses under scrutiny. *Serratia marcescens* produces a surface-level red pigment on bread. It is a smear of bacteria. It does not produce organized, striated human myocardial tissue with identifiable actin, myosin, intercalated discs, and active immune cells.
I mean he was an agnostic and had some bad views but hes literally a nobel prize winner, we shouldnt listen to his personal opinions, but he was a REALLY good doctor
Carrel’s medical notes are preserved in the Sanctuary of Lourdes Archives as Dossier 54 — alongside depositions from two other physicians and Marie Bailly’s own written account from November 1902. A 2025 peer-reviewed article in *The American Journal of the Medical Sciences*, co-authored by the current President of the Lourdes Medical Bureau, re-examined Carrel’s departure from Lyon using these previously unpublished documents.
Carrel was so shaken that he nearly destroyed his academic career by refusing to deny what he witnessed. His chief of surgery at the University of Lyon dismissed him. Rather than recant, Carrel left France — eventually winning the 1912 Nobel Prize in Medicine. He arranged for Bailly to be psychiatrically evaluated every two weeks for four months; she was declared fully healthy.
He wrote a detailed account, published posthumously as *The Voyage to Lourdes* (1950). His personal papers — 158.5 linear feet across 109 boxes — are preserved at Georgetown University. Marie Bailly entered the Daughters of Charity in December 1902, served as a nurse caring for the sick, and died in 1937 at age fifty-eight.
Wow, so there’s no evidence! Isn’t that exactly what I just said?
there are thousands of documented miracles in the Catholic Church
let me give you another one
Marie Bailly, 23, was dying of acute tubercular peritonitis. Her father, mother, and one brother had all died of tuberculosis. Her abdomen was massively distended with hard tubercular masses and fluid. She was in a semi-coma with a racing pulse, blue complexion, and labored breathing.
Dr. Alexis Carrel — a brilliant, agnostic French surgeon — accompanied sick pilgrims on the “White Train” to Lourdes, partly out of scientific curiosity. He examined Bailly on the train and concluded she was near death.
The Witness
Carrel was standing over Bailly at the Grotto with his notebook. As water from the Lourdes spring was applied to her abdomen, he documented what happened minute by minute:
Bailly said: “All right. I am not very energetic, but I feel that I am healed.” She ate dinner that evening and walked the next morning.
this one was verified by her agnostic doctor who won the nobel prize in medicine later
Nice so there’s medical records available for this one? Given it was in 1902 that seems unlikely they’d be very useful, but they are available right?
On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.
The Witness
Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.
When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”
okay, heres another one
And the evidence is where? Oh, right - we don’t get to see it.
a search engine is free, you can read em
Huh, apparently it doesn’t exist. Wild! Well the search engine proves it so that’s settled then.
https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and-15-3-05-RON-ack.pdf
Yes I saw that, so the evidence is… where?
For living white blood cells to be present in heart muscle from a Host that had been in water for three years defies the known laws of biology. The tissue showed no decomposition. The sample was submitted blind to a secular forensic scientist who had no theological investment in the result.
The Skeptic’s Rebuttal
Skeptics raise two objections. First, they invoke Serratia marcescens — a common red-pigmented bacterium that thrives in damp environments like a wafer in water, and has been blamed for nearly every “bleeding host” in history. Second, they attack the chain of custody: the sample sat in a jar in Argentina for three years before being sent to New York. A skeptic will say: “I don’t doubt Dr. Zugibe analyzed human heart tissue. I doubt that the heart tissue was ever a piece of bread. Someone swapped it.”
The Forensic Counter-Argument
The *Serratia* argument collapses under scrutiny. *Serratia marcescens* produces a surface-level red pigment on bread. It is a smear of bacteria. It does not produce organized, striated human myocardial tissue with identifiable actin, myosin, intercalated discs, and active immune cells.
https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and-15-3-05-RON-ack.pdf
Neato, so the evidence? Going to provide any of that?
https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and-15-3-05-RON-ack.pdf
Deja vu, so anyways - the evidence that’s conspicuously lacking - do you have any?
I mean he was an agnostic and had some bad views but hes literally a nobel prize winner, we shouldnt listen to his personal opinions, but he was a REALLY good doctor
… he collaborated with the nazis that’s not just some little thing. He also recanted this testimony later so it’s doubly suspect.
funny that he recanted the testimony after almost destroying his entire academic career about it, after joining the Nazis
suspicious
Wild, isn’t it? And that’s the guy with such staunch moral fiber that you’ve chosen as an example!
…Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
yes
Carrel’s medical notes are preserved in the Sanctuary of Lourdes Archives as Dossier 54 — alongside depositions from two other physicians and Marie Bailly’s own written account from November 1902. A 2025 peer-reviewed article in *The American Journal of the Medical Sciences*, co-authored by the current President of the Lourdes Medical Bureau, re-examined Carrel’s departure from Lyon using these previously unpublished documents.
Carrel was so shaken that he nearly destroyed his academic career by refusing to deny what he witnessed. His chief of surgery at the University of Lyon dismissed him. Rather than recant, Carrel left France — eventually winning the 1912 Nobel Prize in Medicine. He arranged for Bailly to be psychiatrically evaluated every two weeks for four months; she was declared fully healthy.
He wrote a detailed account, published posthumously as *The Voyage to Lourdes* (1950). His personal papers — 158.5 linear feet across 109 boxes — are preserved at Georgetown University. Marie Bailly entered the Daughters of Charity in December 1902, served as a nurse caring for the sick, and died in 1937 at age fifty-eight.
So can we see it, please? The evidence this nazi collaborator had, and that is very conspicuously not being presented?