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For years, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has pushed ethnic minority groups like Tibetans and Uyghurs to adopt an identity rooted in Chinese nationality and allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.
Now, that push has been codified into a sweeping new law that reaches into classrooms, neighborhoods and homes – and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.
The statute, officially known as the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, came into effect on July 1. It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities, which include a Han Chinese majority that makes up over 90% of the country’s 1.4 billion people.
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This is a very slanted and obviously biased article. The US official spends BILLIONS on anti-china propaganda. Part of that is cultivating people like Simone McCarthy (who some observers^* say is related to related Joseph McCarthy, the inventor of McCarthyism).
It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division”
What, like banning hate speech or race based discrimination? What does it mean?
The state is mandated to support museums, libraries and other cultural institutions to hold events reflecting Chinese history and national prosperity
Horrifiying!
EDIT: China does have problems with racism, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable goal to have.
local authorities must work toward ethnic integration in their housing policies – a stipulation observers suggest
DEI? BUT AT WHAT COST???
Organizations and individuals outside mainland China that “undermine” ethnic unity or “create ethnic division” will also be held liable
Separatism is part of the standard playbook of the CIA / NED for regime change. Generally regimes don’t like being targeted for regime change. Would you?
If you personally have ever been targeted for regime change, please share your experiences below.
the law appears to be a final step in a years-long evolution of Chinese policy to emphasize national identity over ethnic autonomy.
Xi, who came to power in 2012 following widespread 2008 protests in Tibet and deadly unrest in Xinjiang, home to its Uyghur minority.
Yeah there was a little international funded terrorism there. At least China didn’t start multiple imperialist “wars on terror”.
What liberals don’t seem to understand is that the USA spends billions to undermine and foment dissent and chaos in other countries they consider enemies or rivals. This is a real issue other “shithole” countries who don’t bow to US imperialist pressure have to content with. And there are no easy or simple or pretty solutions. It’s easy for the CIA to disseminate lies or hate or nationalism. This CNN article is just adding insult to injury.
The whole idea of “cultural genocide” is ludicrous. The USA has replaced cultures with copies of McDonalds and Starbucks worldwide and their insidious and delicious Hollywood movies. The USA regime does this, and they let capitalism run wild which in the balance of things helps them. They use soft power and push policies like copyright and drug policies and economic ideology and get them adopted globally.
But if any other state tries to create and instill a culture in their population, oh it’s soooo evil! Fucking China bad from CNN. Any mention of “human rights campaigner” has long lost all meaning because most are logically funded by either CIA or plutocrats.
What the Chinese are saying is perfectly reasonable, there is agitation and it’s a problem. But it’s being cast through the lens of “evil regime, evil people” to make it sound ominous.
source: epstien mcdonal institute
Red China needs a massive implosion to free the CCP and PLA run dump.
As someone who lived in China for about 5 years, it’s amazing reading people’s comments on China that have never been there, but they watch bullshit propaganda tictoks, and think they know what they’re talking about.
I’m 43 from the US. For how ridiculously racist the world thinks the US is because they have the most whiney people with victim syndrome (because you know we have free speech and China doesn’t), I have heard/seen legitimately 10x more racist shit living in China in 5 years than I’ve heard over the last 38 years of my life.
There’s government messages all over to hate/kill Japanese. They have an amusement park in the south (I forget where) where it’s a replica US aircraft carrier you can visit and outside there’s an activity where you can stop US tressed dummies with a bayonet.
China thrives on the imbalance of information between itself and the US. They abuse freedom of speech in the US while controlling all media outlets, social sites, and WeChat in their own country.
So you just don’t know history or what racism is.
Wow. You sure make China sound like the united states!
Han Chinese are even racist towards other Han Chinese due to insane obsession with skin whiteness and China not having free movement like other countries (regional identity then becomes superiority status). This is kinda everywhere in Asia but China is especially bad.
The problem with western freedom is that it allows for lazy conclusions like “my government is restricting my freedoms and is unjust which means the opposition is free and just, through sheer virtue of being opposition”.
Han Chinese are even racist towards other Han Chinese due to insane obsession with skin whiteness and China not having free movement like other countries (regional identity then becomes superiority status)
My dude… That’s not racism. They are literally the same ethnicity, let alone race. Both of the things you are talking about are based on social economics. Historically in East Asia pale skin meant that you did not have to do manual labor, meaning you were from one of the higher classes.
chinese hate on japanese is justified and you shouldnt cry about it
ww2 was almost a century ago.
who cares?
You don’t understand… He’s a white Ex-pat living in asia, obviously he has the deepest appreciation and understanding of Asian culture and history possible. It’s not like the Ex-pat communities are primarily living in asia to exploit the low cost of living, or engage in commerce more dubious in nature…
Obviously if a white man living in asia says so, I should just be fine with the fact that my grandfather lived hidden in a hole in the ground in the backyard for over a year so he wouldn’t be forced into a work gang or worse. It was 80 years ago, I should just get over it. It’s not like Japan or America have turned my homeland into a neo fascist state or anything.
People have grand parents that were raped, killed, or tortured by the Japanese empirial army. 80 years ago is still within living memory.
hate/kill Japanese
Tbf… That’s pretty much all of Asia. That’s what happens when you try your best to murder all your neighbors except for the ones you enslave to do either manual labour or be raped for years on end.
The hate for Japan would be like if the Nazi party still existed to a lesser extent and were unapologetic or in denial about their war crimes. The vast majority of their leaders since ww2 have either been war criminals, the children or war criminals, or grandchildren of war criminals.
What you state is pretty much limited to Korea and China. I have been living in East Asia and SE Asia for the last 22 years and most folks outside of those two countries are fine with Japan and don’t stoke hatred and hard feelings about the past. Yes the Japanese did horrible things in the Philippines but so did the Spanish before the Americans and then the Americans again after world war II. Similar situation in Vietnam, where China invaded and/or occupied Vietnam many times over a 1000 year period, them came the French, then the Japanese during WWI, then the French returned, then the Americans, and then in 1979 the Chinese attacked again.
I mean Korea and China were definitely where they did the worst war crimes, but I have met plenty of Filipino, Malaysian, Singaporean, Vietnamese, and Indonesian who hold a lot of prejudice against the Japanese. For the most part it’s mainly aimed at the Japanese government, and not as directed towards individuals.
I am Korean, and Korean and Chinese people are definitely more vocal about it. But it’s not something a lot of Asians would really speak openly about to white people, even if you’ve been there a while. And just because a country has been occupied by different countries in their past it does not mean make any other instance feel any better, there are just more people to dislike.
Nah that’s not true - I live in Asia. Generally people in Asia have very little care for ww2 history outside of China and Korea because they’re too pragmatic and busy developing themselves to focus on what happened almost 100 years ago.
For example got to Vietnam as an American and you’ll be more popular and liked than you ever were America. Go to the Philippines as a Japanese, and you’ll make more friends than you ever had in Japan.
It’s mostly propaganda that still keeps this history alive though in all fairness Japan not accepting responsibility officially is exactly what allows this propaganda to exist.
Again… Not saying all people are holding it against individuals. However there is still plenty of animosity against the Japanese government, which is still denying war crimes.
There are plenty of Koreans that are completely fine with Japanese tourists, have Japanese friends, or have gone to school in Japan. That doesn’t mean there isn’t animosity concerning the Japanese state.
You can hate Nazis without hating the German people. The only difference is that Japan essentially still has the same ruling class with the same beliefs in their government.
It’s mostly propaganda that still keeps this history alive
What propaganda? People are allowed to be upset at a government that still denies the war crimes they’re parents/grandparents committed. It doesn’t require propaganda to dislike the fact that a national unapologetically enslaved, killed, tortured, or raped your family members and tried to rewrite your cultural history.
I’ve heard my Vietnamese family and friends speak far more negatively about Koreans and Chinese than Japanese. Koreans committed some war crimes against Vietnamese during the American war and are considered some of the most rude tourists. The Chinese govt’s continued aggression against Vietnam keeps them at the top of the unpopular list though.
Yeah, Korea did a lot of fucked up shit in Vietnam. That doesn’t make the fucked up shit Japan did any better. Have you talked to your grandparents about their views about the Japanese government? I mean they did cause a famine that killed a couple million people in Vietnam.
Korean tourists are infamous in Vietnam and I don’t think it’s because of history but because they are just rude. I lived in Da Nang for a while and everything is double priced there for Koreans just because of “rude tax” lol
Some of the worst behavior I’ve seen in Hanoi has been from Koreans. That said, drunk Aussies can act quite badly also.
While the text of the law doesn’t seem especially egregious, we’ll have to wait and see how it is enforced. The treatment of minorities by China in the past has been fraught with… well imprisonment, torture, and erasure of their communities. Kind of like the US and Canada, but worse and on a bigger scale.
Probably just more of the same, honestly. My biggest concern is this:
and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.
So, uh, any Chinese national, anywhere in the world, does something they don’t like, they come after you? yeeeeeeah, that’s gonna be a No from me, dog.
So, uh, any Chinese national, anywhere in the world, does something they don’t like, they come after you? yeeeeeeah, that’s gonna be a No from me, dog.
They don’t need to care how you think about it since they run these “110” police stations all over the world. They enforce the rules on Chinese people after they’ve left the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations
Kind of like the US and Canada, but worse
Not one to defend China, but how is it worse than what happened to the natives of North America? At least up until this point, China hasn’t been outright eradicating entire ethnic groups.
They’ve been going more with the cultural eradication route. Still really bad.
… therefore?
Yes. Literally the cultural eradication that I was talking about.
Really bad. But have you ever actually read about what the Europeans did to native populations? Dark shit, dude… Enough to make you completely lose faith in humanity for the rest of your life.
Not one to defend China
Sounds like you’re just doing a whole lot of whataboutism to me.
Hey look, a Tibetan man just self-immolated in protest of the policies that you’re trying to downplay.
Ah yes, the BBC, which still denies there is a genocide in Gaza. Always trustworthy on genocide, the BBC.
So, because they linked one of the news sites you don’t like, it must be suspect. Or you could look it yourself on one of 50 other sites to get the same info?
Or, you could go directly to the source and look at the UN’s investigations into the matter, or any number of international human rights organizations.
Or you could literally buy a ticket to Xinjiangand go see for yourself. Despite journalists, reporters, and investigators being allowed into Xinjiang, we still have no evidence for genocide. And yet reporters and journalists are still not allowed into Gaza, yet we have overwhelming evidence of genocide.
Just stop and think about that for a second. That’s not suspect to you?
How can there be ethnic unity if there are 56 officially recognized ethnicities.
The same way the United States is a union of multiple ethnicities: banning hate crimes (ie crime that targets an ethnicity) and guaranteeing fair trials under the law.
That was good propaganda my brother.
All propaganda is lies, even when one is telling the truth.
- George Orwell
Must be hard carrying all that water good sir.
The harder part is resisting to respond to adhominen attacks
No, let’s not act stupid. The answer was there isn’t unity in China or the US.
Parent asked “how”, saying there isn’t any is answering a different question. I am dumb, though maybe for different reasons
Hmm, hmm…
So, ethnic cleansing?
Very quickly skimming the law, it sounds like what’s common in other countries: there will be a national language, restrictions on your native culture’s practices, etc. Hijabs in France, for example, or mandatory English/French in Canada.
Of course, the text of the law and its application could be very different.
Despite Trump’s disgusting EO, the US does not have an official national language. Find the right kind of cultural enclave and business is conducted in that language because language should exist to communicate and promote exchange. Gov-wise we just kinda do everything in English, mostly Spanish, French (up in the Northeast), and some growing flavor of Chinese because that’s what gets the job done best for our community.
More like banning hate crimes.
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml
各民族优秀传统文化都是中华文化的组成部分。国家坚持以社会主义先进文化引领各民族优秀传统文化的创造性转化和创新性发展，支持开展中华优秀传统文化的宣传和推广。
国家尊重和保障少数民族语言文字的学习和使用，推动少数民族语言文字的规范化、标准化和信息化建设，支持少数民族古籍的保护、整理、研究和利用。
The excellent traditional cultures of all ethnic groups are integral parts of Chinese culture. The State upholds the guidance of advanced socialist culture in the creative transformation and innovative development of the excellent traditional cultures of all ethnic groups, and supports the promotion and dissemination of excellent traditional Chinese culture. The State respects and guarantees the learning and use of the languages and scripts of ethnic minorities, promotes their standardization and the development of their information technology capabilities, and supports the preservation, compilation, research, and utilization of ancient texts belonging to ethnic minorities.
Sorry, I don’t know what that says.
Sometimes I think is China really a social or mixed bag pretending to be social specially on capitalism side🤔
First and foremost they’re authoritarian.
They are neo authoritarian.
Source: main US propaganda shitposting network…
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml is apparently a source that backs this up. IDK I can’t read it.
Yeah, pretty normal law:
Here’s an English summary of this document — the Law of the People’s Republic of China on Promoting Ethnic Unity and Progress, adopted March 12, 2026 by the National People’s Congress, effective July 1, 2026.
Purpose & framing The law aims to strengthen a shared sense of Chinese national/ethnic community identity, promote unity among China’s ethnic groups, and support the “great rejuvenation” of the Chinese nation. It affirms equality of all citizens and ethnic groups before the law and bans discrimination or oppression of any ethnic group, while emphasizing Communist Party leadership over ethnic affairs work.
Structure (7 chapters, 65 articles):
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General Provisions – Legal basis, guiding ideology (Marxism-Leninism through Xi Jinping Thought), core principle of “forging a strong sense of Chinese national community,” and rejection of foreign interference in China’s ethnic affairs.
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Building a Shared Spiritual Home – Promotes patriotic/socialist education, shared cultural symbols, protection of heritage sites, and nationwide promotion of Standard Mandarin Chinese as the primary language in schools and government (while still protecting minority languages). Includes provisions on education curricula, media/propaganda work, family education, and outreach to Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and overseas Chinese communities.
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Promoting Interaction and Integration – Encourages mixed-ethnic communities, cross-regional migration/employment/education exchanges, youth exchange programs, tourism, and regulation of online content — banning material that incites ethnic hatred or discrimination.
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Advancing Shared Prosperity – Focuses on economic development in ethnic minority regions: infrastructure, industry, poverty alleviation, border-area development, public services, and ecological protection.
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Safeguards and Oversight – Assigns responsibilities to government bodies, party organizations, businesses, religious groups, military, and grassroots organizations. Establishes a “Ethnic Unity Progress Publicity Week” (last week of September) and mechanisms for public complaints and prosecutorial public-interest lawsuits.
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Legal Liability – Penalties for officials or organizations that fail to prevent ethnic-unity violations, discrimination (e.g., employment discrimination based on ethnicity), or online violations. Serious violations (terrorism, separatism, religious extremism) are treated as criminal offenses, including for actions by foreign entities targeting China.
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Supplementary Provisions – Allows provincial/local governments to enact supporting local regulations; law takes effect July 1, 2026
CNN propaganda bs confirmed… From a country with 80% black jail population, legal slavery of them, and currently hunting brown people and disappearing their kids at that…
not answering you, but for people having doubts after reading your reply: please translate it yourself because its not just that, there’s 1984 stuff like this inside:
Parents or other guardians of minors shall, in accordance with the law, fulfill their responsibilities for family education, educate and guide minors to love the Communist Party of China
I mean, I don’t know how much are you familiar with the legislation and family and primary education programs in Western countries, but you can find really like just similar items in there that also indoctrinate our kids into loving and believing in the system in which we are functioning currently.
You all sing the anathems of your countries, praise the flags, wear uniforms and are acknowledged with the supposed history that happened and built the nation, you inhabit blah, blah, blah. Like it’s all basic propaganda, like on the same level that you are here quoting from the Chinese state.
But that’s even beyond the discussion of this article, since the article is claiming that there is like a genocidal or discriminatory intent in this legislation, when it’s literally the opposite of that.
And also, there is a very general misinformation about the Han ethnicity in China. The Han ethnicity in China isn’t and never was homogeneous ethnic group, the Han was formed by the integration of other ethnical groups through the history of China, which by the way did it in a voluntary way.
They didn’t genocided other populations like the western, predominantly pink ethnicity, have done in the course of centuries, but they just accepted the addition of the surrounding ethnicities into their own, which did it to gain favor with the richer provinces and kingdoms.
The present Han are mix of dozens of older ethnicities.
And China is currently following the same “tradition”.
What they do not accept on our very strict against are the existence of a technical or cultural group that are proactively trying to divide themselves from the hegemonical or the status quo cultural background that China is trying to project.
And for a good reason, because those groups are the ones that predominantly get undermined and infiltrated by foreign interests and end up creating ethnicities into their own, which did it to gain favor with the ruling classes, which did it to gain a better division and chaos in the regime, which we already have seen happening in other countries including Russia, where the Chechens were used by Saudis and US for that same reason.
Sure, forceful integration in these cases isnt the “cleanest” solution, but its far more effective and human than the discriminatory and alienating policies of the west, that market “diversity and democracy”, only on certain levels, while the top is all pink, male, “judeo-christian”.
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Tell me again how china is good or better than America? I’ve said this before but American capitalism hasn’t been the answer for decades. And Chinese communism won’t save us either. As a Native American I know all to well about the great American history of treating natives here. And how china has been treating Tibet and Uyghurs is distinguished as well as Taiwan too.
if for no other reason than China isn’t close enough to be the primary actor fucking over my flavor of minority
where as the US has 100+ years of history doing so
China is obviously better than america and its not even close, however china is still bad due to revisionism/dengism
You speak as if there’s a “betterness ruler” somewhere we use to measure the “goodness of empires”. It’s not something you measure.
there is indeed a betterness ruler (called common sense) and not every country is an empire
Both China and the US are fascist. So they’re about the same.
Yeah, fascists will call themselves socialist, democratic, or even communist if it serves their goal of gaining power.
You need to do a lot of due diligence on anyone calling themselves a socialist.
I think there’s a bit of a difference especially when considering foreign policy in the modern age. I mean how many civilians have died as the result of military actions taken by China compared to the US in the last 50 years?
Are we including Indigenous peoples?
https://www.history.com/articles/native-americans-genocide-united-states
It is better at churning out more billionaires than the US now.
https://ceoworld.biz/2026/03/08/china-surpasses-the-u-s-again-as-worlds-billionaire-factory/
Remind me when the US executes a billionaire.
Oh yes, China is also better at executing people who don’t agree with it through their courts. Amazing place!
In my -admittedly limited - experience, the bast majority of people are nice, good people. Doesn’t matter where they come from, what the color of their skin is, what their culture is, most people are decent and just want to make it through the day. Just the other day I was in a city where a football world cup match was playing and the streets were filled to the brim with people from all countries, all walks of life, all partying together. I saw 10 people from every “color” and gender and what not, all playing “keep the ball up”. Everyone was wearing a T-shirt from a different country and it didn’t matter, everyone was there to enjoy themselves.
Its usually a tiny portion of narcissistic assholes with psychopathic tendencies that feel the need to get more money, more power, who always end up pushing bullshit like this. It’s always a form of “I want more wealth or power so if I make another minority group look bad, I can divide and conquer and become even bigger!”
I think that if we simply remove the option to become super powerful that things finally will turn around. That means world wide wealth caps for one, nobody richer than, say, ten million dollars, anything over that goes to taxes. And for two, it means also capping the power that politicians have.
Once everyone is more or less equally powerful, and there are no more incentives to push for more wealth, that 1% if you will, will no longer have the power to push those narratives that one is better than the other, they won’t be able to spread lies as easily anymore and why even try if you can’t get rich or powerful anymore?
I think that is the thing that will turn this around for humanity, we need to stop the rich and powerful
I dont think either system will be the one prevailing in the long term, they are both to flawed and do not prevent corruption which will always destroy any system. So yea both are bad, which leads to the question which is currently worse? I’d argue latestage captialism corpo America is worse then CCP China at the moment. I think more average people are suffering in America then in China at this point in time. Dont get me wrong I’m not a fan off China in terms of censorship, oppression of people and other control measures in place, my only argument is that living a standard live in China is easier/more comfortable at the moment then in the US (better healthcare, less household debt, less homelessness, etc.). Also the Taiwan situation is very different then the Tibet and Uyghurs oppression but that’s a whole other topic so I don’t wanna start that discussion
Because they aren’t bombing innocent civilians.
Just putting them by the million into internment camps like we see in Xinjiang…both USA and China can be terrible imperial regimes at the same time!
Got any proof of those internment camps that the UN couldn’t find?
We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist. The Chinese government only allows international observers strict supervised visits to pre-approved sites and does not allow interviews with the local people. Well done you for denying the genocide, hope your family is proud!
And Israel doesn’t allow international journalists or aid groups into Gaza, yet we have overwhelming video evidence of genocide occurring. You can go to Xinjiang tomorrow and interview the local population. Your parroting disproven bullshit proudly and you should feel ashamed for it.
Whataboutism at its finest, the absolute state of you! When you are comparing yourself to Israel you are surely in good company! Israel and China are working from the same playbook. You think I should be ashamed? Look in the mirror you filthy genocide denier, shame on you and your mother for having you!
You alright? You seem confused.
Respond to the content of my comment and explain how I’m wrong. Why the discrepency? You can go to Xinjiang but not Gaza, why?
We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist
So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.
does not allow interviews with the local people.
What in the absolute racist fuck are you talking about?
Go on tiktok.
Right now. Don’t avoid it.
Type in Xinjiang.
Congrats. you will find more than a thousand interviews from Big creators, small creators, and western news outlets.
Holy shit how are you this propagandized? Do you understand how brainwashed you have to be to actually believe something like this?
So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.
Typical straw man, these are your words and your claim, I have never heard of this or mentioned this? What are you on about seriously?
I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people. These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time. Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone. You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.
Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!
… America owns tik tok…
What year do you think this is?
I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people.
Yeah, so where are the 500+ square miles of camps that would need to exist to host that many people. Literally where? You don’t have satellite pictures of any facility or group of facilities that large. That’s half the prison population of the US’ prison system, which covers thousands of square miles.
These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time.
No. People in prison have prison sentences with determinate amounts of time.
Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone.
TikTok is a US owned and operated company, and it also has a website. It is also by far the largest social media website and the largest source of news for populations under 50.
You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.
TikTok is majority owned by Oracle, and for US audiences is run off of Data centers in the US owned by Oracle, who has complete and total control over content shown to US users. The App’s source code itself has been audited by the US federal government and Oracle as a part of reversing the ban on Tiktok.
At no point was Tiktok Chinese owned. Singapore, despite your people’s best efforts to claim otherwise, is not a Chinese city.
Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!
You’re so racist you thought a Singaporean app owned by a US company that has been audited by the US government is chinese spyware.
Get some amount of medical help. I recommend going to China, who can offer you psych care for less per session, including flights and hotel stays, than you can receive in the US.
Personally, I think they’re a mentally handicapped lib. Their heart is in the right place, but they have been propagandized beyond repair.
With their latest reply here “lib” might be too generous. They just went full MAGA.
Right, and one is declared a genocide by the UN and most international human rights groups, and one is propaganda, lol.
Why does everything need to be compared to the US and why can’t both be bad?
100%. The only thing comparing them does is make each look less bad in contrast with the other.
china is objectively way less bad than america tho
Hey, be generous and give .ml some time to write their script at how they treat their minorities better before they respond to you!
BOO!
Can’t wait for the tankies to try and spin this into something positive.
“texas_hangover” hilarious how americans use tankie as a slur
Unfortunately this.
This is continuing an act of genocide against the Uyghurs.
There is no evidence of genocide of the Uyghurs. Here is an article detailing and debunking the false allegations. https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang
Unfortunately, you have been fed anti-communist propaganda.
Lmao did you check the sources linked in that article?
➤ 2019 June 18 – BBC’s visit to a vocational center.
Uyghurs are being held captive where they are forced to change, adapt and love the CCP if they are to ever leave.
Genocide is the partial or total destruction of a human group, committed intentionally. The popular view conceives of genocide as the large-scale killing of individuals, but in scholarly and legal fields, genocide occurs when the group itself is targeted. Acts of genocide include killing as well as non-lethal acts such as preventing reproduction among the group, the forcible transfer of children to another group, and cultural genocide.
Using the UNs definition of genocide including “cultural genocide” means that every nation on Earth is and has been committing genocide. It’s an unfortunate definition, in my opinion;any distinction that applies to all loses its meaning.
Oh so we should not accept a world wide definition just because genocide has happened before? So you think genocide is justified just because it has happened in other places as well?
Elaborate
Example: Many Americans don’t speak their native tongue.
Great Article, It’s refreshing to read a well redacted and fact supported piece.
It hits the most important arguments against the USA promoted narrative right away.
There are more organisations with more moral ground in the islamic matter that reject this genocide is a reality, than the USA which in turn is promoting a very well documented one in Palestine and Lebanon.
I strongly suggest reading it.
Thinking that the CCP is anything but capitalist and imperialist is propaganda.
That article is a joke.
You didn’t even click the link, did you?
I did.
Then what about it is a joke?
More generally, while Qiao seems utterly in denial of police violence in Hong Kong and China—including against Black or minority populations—it is, on the other hand, highly critical of police violence in America against such groups. Earlier this year, Qiao denied that the forcible eviction of African migrant workers from their homes by Chinese police in Guangzhou took place, claiming that this was the work of capitalist landlords and business owners, then later insisting that authorities had punished those involved despite that Chinese police were involved in carrying out the evictions. Qiao generally refuses to acknowledge that the Chinese government itself carries out highly racialized policing practices in China.
It should be unsurprising, then, that one will find zero mention of the vast detention camps for Uyghurs in Xinjiang in the writing of Qiao, with it currently believed that upwards of one million Uyghurs are currently detained. The existence of such camps is dismissed as simply the propaganda of western governments. Funnily enough, despite Qiao’s apparent skepticism of western media outlets, as simply being vehicles for western imperialist governments to disseminate propaganda, Qiao itself seems to consistently take the word of Chinese state media outlets at face value. Chinese authorities themselves have acknowledged the existence of such camps since October 2018, backtracking on their previous denials.These camps have been justified on the basis of claims that Uyghurs are dangerous terrorists in need of political reeducation—requiring measures to prevent Xinjiang from becoming “China’s Libya” or “China’s Syria”, according to the state-run Global Times.
With its dismissal of the mass detention of Uyghurs as western propaganda, one notes that Qiao seems to have deeply internalized how Han Chinese are a minority in western contexts, then applied this view of Han Chinese in western contexts to China, viewing China as something like a subaltern nation-state. This ignores that Han Chinese are the majority in China and that, consequently, they have proved to be oppressors of minority groups—not unlike in the US, regarding how its domestic policing practices are in the service of white supremacy. It is, in fact, the same policing and surveillance technologies that circulate between Xinjiang and western-backed surveillance regimes from Ferguson to Gaza.
Source: CNN, aka, Fox News II but a bit more serious. Both trying to win Trump’s and half of America’s approval, people who hate China unconditionally, not just the government, but the people too, unfairly, after being conditioned by movies, shows and even videogames like Fallout that paint China as “always malicious, plotting something against us in secret…”
After America proved to have a critical amount of influence over Taiwan, I don’t blame China for wanting to integrate most ethnic groups into one, so they don’t get influenced or taken over by foreign actors ran by Jeffrey Epstein Class members like the USA or Europe. It’s the same thing I feel about my country Mexico; there are so many MAGAs here thanks to republican messages bleeding in indiscriminately. I don’t want “republican culture” nonsense touching my country. It sucks. I can’t imagine the hatred a lot of Chinese felt when USA tried to tell them what is best for Taiwan. If USA tried to do the same with say, Yucatán or Cancún, I’d vote for more desperate measures like forcing them both to integrate into Mexican culture ASAP, before they get rotten by “American culture” which is racist as hell. I think we should be doing something like that already: get rid of absolutely all American Republicans here before they spread their bigotry. Shit is contagious.
China is at least doing it with diplomacy, unlike America, Europe or Spain, which pretty much eradicated most of the indigenous cultures here in the entire continent of America. Currently killing LGBTQ culture too, still bullying transexuals to death, or taking certain rights away from them, like taking away their specialized support in the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline so they die more easily or disassociate overtime (I’m glad it’s failing, though).
You made me go and read the content of the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, and there’s nothing in it that promoted genocide or killing. It contains clauses like:
“It obligates the government to support ‘inter-embedded community environments’ so that ethnic groups can ‘live, study, build, share, work, and enjoy together’.” "It mandates internet service providers to promptly stop the transmission of “information containing ethnic hatred, ethnic discrimination, or other content that undermines ethnic unity and progress.” “It vows to support the standardization, digitization, and preservation of minority texts.” …
I don’t trust any government, I’m sure there are flaws and people in power who will not respect it like most boomers in power today are not allowing Marijuana in Mexico to be sold at all even after being legalized 2 years ago. Cops with rancor who won’t leave you alone if you decide to plant Marijuana at your home, even if legal. So many people here avoid paying the minimum wage properly or in time, and get away with it too. There’s also the Narco thriving and all that, because the law is weak and America keeps giving them guns to kill us with, which is also killing our culture slowly but effectively; it is stagnating it with stress, pain and hopelessness. 30,000+ Mexicans die every year just to fulfill USA’s whims. We don’t have that many companies dedicated to making videogames, or are as proficient in technology because people die young here, it is very difficult to focus on difficult disciplines like physics, math, chemistry, etc when the entire country is constantly on fire, you have no liberty to go outside in peace, are in constant fear… Bad economy, bad nutrition, bad experiences trying to learn, so much mental fog, so much fatigue, so much pain, this is what the USA brings forth. And they’re now filling our country with immigrants, “ex-pats” that provoke a raise in prices around them, which slowly and silently displaces the poorest groups here; people who die to poverty and you never hear about them or what they had to said because they never received the chance to read more or learn more. They become another number and that’s it. You just saw that “30,000 lives lost every year” and it doesn’t really impact you as it should. It’s a lot of wasted potential, lost to homicides caused by some capitalistic greedy pigs. I don’t hear about shit like this happening in most other countries, it’s mostly USA and Mexico, losing 20,000+ and 30,000+ people everyday to senseless violence that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
China has its issues too, they are 4x times the size of USA after all. Organizing such a massive country is difficult, but you should learn from them. USA only has 335 million people and it’s already on the risk of extinction just 250 years later after being born. China is what? 5,000 years and still going strong? That’s embarrassing. The so-called “#1 country in the world” is losing against countries they deemed inferior for so long like China or India. What was the point of the war on Iran, if like other 7 countries have multiple nukes, like India, Pakistan, China, North Korea and France, countries that are increasingly disgusted by the USA every day. The big blonde bully USA only has tiny angry Israel to back it up in the playfield, lol.
This whole “China is super evil” trend feels so forced, so fake, so exaggerated, I can’t trust any Western media anymore. They are the same sources that denied the genocide in Gaza for so long, and are still trying to gaslight us about it. CNN and Fox News. All of a sudden, you trust them blindly with this? You sound like Trump whenever you talk about China. It’s almost as if they’re doing this to give Americans something to cope with. So Americans don’t feel too lonely when they are called terrorists or genocide monsters online for what they are doing in the Middle East with their taxes. They can go and rely on whataboutism and bring up China to try and make it seem like there are “worse monsters out there,” but nah, nothing will beat America in evildoing anymore, that should just be left very clear already.
USA only has 335 million people and it’s already on the risk of extinction just 250 years later after being born. China is what? 5,000 years and still going strong?
This comparison is ridiculous, USA is a former colony that wasn’t even founded until the 1700s; China is not a former colony, and has not been a cohesive nation for 5000 years for that matter.
Re not trusting western media, it’s foolish to trust any media on Earth, whether NY Times, BBC, Al Jazeera, or Pravda.
Re whataboutism, your points are pure whataboutism; not that whataboutism is wrong. It’s good to make comparisons, we all do it every day all day, and that won’t change no matter how it is labeled.
These are my criticisms to improve your argument for argument’s sake, nothing more.
I agree with you re integration of ethnic groups. Yes, I know it’s now called “genocide” by the UN now, but that’s pretty stupid in my opinion. A term that once meant the erasure of people by systematic murder has now been degraded to this fiasco definition. Of course China would want everyone to speak Chinese, why not?
Also agree with “American Exceptionalism”, that train left the station many decades ago and we’ve proven to be just one more empire. One can hope China doesn’t make the same mistakes, and continues to focus on China rather than being world police like the USA.
Nice tribal thinking, MAGA behavior. Me receiving a ton of downvotes won’t change the fact that your purpose in life is to serve the Jeffrey Epstein Class and kill millions of Latin Americans and Muslims with your taxes. China is a better alternative and influence to us than America. Period.
You let some downvotes be your “critical thinking seal of approval,” man. Get real. You are so fucking easy to manipulate and take advantage of.
Dumbass doesn’t even realize this is his 40 comment thread of his one sided multi-paragraph ranting slop. Seeeethe buddy
You seem like a pedophile based on your post history.
I don’t care, pedophile apologist
That fact that you think speaking up against China is equal to supporting America and apologizing for pedophiles shows exactly how tribal and mind numbingly fucking stupid you are. All of the major world powers are evil dipshit, stop shilling for ANY of them.
I am not shilling for China, any of you could have easily brought their genocide on LGBT culture, which is one I am very disappointed at, but this Uighur one, I don’t trust America telling me what is a genocide and what is not anymore. China argues it is doing it to avoid the same fate the USSR had: so many divided ethnic groups causing the downfall due to difference of opinions and not having a common ground. Knowing China, they likely did it violently, I have seen the photos of the Uighur inside a camp, being given a speech, but I still have the room for the possibility that this is not the same as what Israel is doing, or truly a “genocide” but a cultural integration. I went and read the law, and it promises to keep their cultural identities afloat and protected, but it’s hard to know if it’s being respected, because we live in the other side of the world, and I have already fell for Anti-China propaganda before, like the way you keep getting shown videos of cars running over children and then driving away, their heavily polluted air; throughout my entire childhood, I don’t remember a single positive thing said about China on TV, on my News or the Internet. It was always constant hate and assuming they are evil, thieves, malicious, always stealing brands, ideas, products, doing piracy, they eat dogs, they lack hygiene, their food is unhealthy and filled with sodium, just negative negative negative negative.
I am tired of the hate toward China. Same with India. Same with Muslims. The experience was the same. The only countries that were respected were the UK and America. A lot of Mexicans here still support America and think Americans and Europeans are “higher quality human beings.” Those same Mexicans will degrade themselves when they’re next to an European or American, they behave like little butlers and serfs. But with Indians, South Americans, maybe Muslims, they behave like MAGA, racist and xenophobic. Seeing these patterns so constantly, just made me highly skeptical of anything you have to say about these countries anymore. Same with the UK, I remember it celebrating when they arrested Prince Andrew, telling America “that’s how you do it. That’s how you arrest a Jeffrey Epstein Class member” but shit was a fraud. He was barely arrested, didn’t go to jail at all, happened a year later, and wasn’t because of what he did to children, but some political betrayal, spilling political secrets or whatever.
Shit does not feel genuine. This post is an article from CNN, that is only making the truth blurrier. I want the truth, and I guess it will take time to get it, because doing journalism in China seems more difficult than other places. I don’t trust their secrecy either, I am sure the CCP has a lot of disgusting war crimes in their closet like any other country does, and I was VERY critical about how they were using TikTok to dumb down our nations, with two different algorithms, and likely spreading Chinese propaganda through it, I am aware of all that, but I am also aware of American Exceptionalists here, I just spoke to a massive one who refuses to admit America has committed genocide alongside Israel. Do you really think I can trust someone like that to talk about what is a genocide or not? He couldn’t bring any evidence or at least give a humane argument as to why America should also stop. I did that to see if they are treating this like a sports game, not really whataboutism.
It’s pathetic the mental gymnastics people will perform to justify a genocidal state’s actions just because they like the flavor of their authoritarianism.
What does the UN say about the “genocide”?
Says you, doing it for the Jeffrey Epstein Class. I prefer China over your pedophile oligarchs. That’s just the final fact the entire world wants you to understand.
It is also not genocide, you don’t have real evidence of it being so. Your sources are CNN and Fox News. Get out of here.
Do you think China is somehow outside the networks confirmed by the Epstein files? It’s a global pyramid
Prove it
Lol the final words of a fool who has lost an argument so completely they can’t even comprehend it. I didn’t realize dear leader’s boot leather contained brain melting chemicals. You might want to stop licking that.
So, you cannot prove that some important Chinese political figures are involved in the Jeffrey Epstein Files or yes?
Or why the fuck are you even saying this? I won’t take important claims like those lightly. I care about the truth, and you’re not giving it to me. So, fuck off, you stupid random weirdo
What the fuck are you on about??? Where did they defend billionaires?
By promoting CNN, he’s promoting a source that is known for serving the Jeffrey Epstein Class. He’s normalizing it, giving it reputation. Thanks to him, people will believe CNN more often, be more vulnerable to the propaganda they subtly spread, like their anti-socialist comments about people like Zohran or recent socialist winners like Kiroz, Valdez, etc.
It’s almost like they are trying to win your blind approval with headlines that make you feel good, like hating China, just so you believe them more often when it comes to dismantling socialism. I refuse to accept that. I am still open to being proven wrong about China, but not with these. You come across as incredibly untrustworthy. If anything, you’re only going to strengthen positive public opinions about China if you keep relying on CNN or Fox News for these narratives.
Wow that’s the laziest argument I’ve ever seen.
All your replies are MAGA-coded: Simplistic, short, an attack to the messenger, not the message. “Wow, that’s the laziest argument I’ve ever seen” without explaining why or answering anything. That’s literally how Republicans reply online all the time.
You are likely a Jeffrey Epstein Class supporter, trying to stop people in Lemmy from using critical thinking.
Otherwise, go on and prove to us that it is really a genocide, and not just more Western propaganda to dehumanize China the same way you dehumanized Muslims so you could genocide them, you disgusting monster. It’s literally your talent to justify genocides with shit that makes you seem morally superior. You are committing second-hand genocide on Mexico and the Middle East while saying you’re not, so, how can we trust you with this one?
No, requiring Mandarin classes in schools so they have some economic opportunities in life is not an act of genocide kiddo.
Cantonese shoukd be illegal, too. MANDARIN only. What do you think?
Okay, just look into what the US and Canada did with their “cultural education” program for indiginous peoples and tell me this doesn’t smell the same.
Cool, again if you read the comment you’ll know I’m Choctaw. I’m very, very well versed in the various cultural genocide attempts of the US. This does not smell the same. It smells like the current education available to Indian-priority schools within the 10.5 counties of the Choctaw nation today, which is the language being taught alongside English, and history class for an entire year being Choctaw history and cultural studies, with at least one day a month for the rest of the years covered being a cultural day.
It smells like what Irish people have described their school life since Gaeilge became a requirement for graduation, wherein school is taught in both languages. Where traditional Irish culture and modern Irish culture are both taught.
It smells like what those programs said they were, in an honest attempt to avoid making the same mistake.
True but when you add in the sexual violence, the forced sterilization, the sexual violence and the mass murder it starts to look pretty damning.
Notice how I didn’t have to call you kiddo because my argument stand up for itself?
None of that has happened. You have been fed propaganda.
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang
You are a genocide denialist.
Look at Mr. Reactionary over here, pitching a fit because I (and the rest of the world outside of the West) disagree with his CIA-sponsored worldview.
I don’t think that point out that you’re denying a genocide is pitching a fit.
True but when you add in the sexual violence,
Fun fact, this happens at all prisons all over the world, and the perpetrators are arrested, charged, and imprisoned for it when it does happen.
the forced sterilization,
Fun fact, while this was claimed by individuals that once alleged they had family members this happened to in Xinjiang, there was never any evidence of this provided during the UN probe, and the UN probe failed to find any victims of this. Just ‘Families’ of ‘victims’ that could not locate said victims despite allegedly being in contact with them.
the mass murder it starts to look pretty damning.
This didn’t happen, unless you’re talking about the US-lead terror attacks across Xinjiang which lead to the security increase and economic investment in the region. Kiddo.
I will stop calling you kiddo when you decide that, unlike a child, you will actually look up evidence yourself instead of thinking “RadioFreeAsia” and other NED sponsored outlets.
Think for yourself says the genocide denier.
My guy no international observer has ever found evidence of a genocide. Not a single one. There have been no less than twenty international and UN investigations into this because of US propaganda. China is one of the most investigated countries in the history of the UN and Interpol.
What was it you libs kept saying about Hillary Clinton? If she was hiding something surely it would’ve been found in the hours and weeks of interrogation she went through or the massive investigations?
Apply that same logic to a country that has fully complied with all international requests and investigations.
No international observer found evidence of the German Holocaust either until after the war. Just saying…
Except in that case international observers were not allowed free roam of Germany including the prisons that supposedly in the case of China are these industrial extermination camps 10-20x as large as Germany’s.
Your whataboutisms don’t cover the sounds of genocide denialism.
Learn what words mean.
Same logic as residential schools in Canada to give native Americans an opportunity by teaching them English…
Except Canada didn’t, at the time, forcibly teach the local Tribe’s culture as a mandatory part of the curriculum. This law requires it (as does the specific regional laws before it in starting in 2018). The only thing this law does is take the pilot program from Xinjiang and make it nation-wide, allowing all of the poorer rural regions to be taught Mandarin and basic Chinese history alongside their local cultural studies and local language, both of which have been required longer than you’ve hated China for allegedly doing the opposite.
Yes I know I’ve read your other comments. It’s the same logic though which is undeniable… This method is tried and true across the world and its exactly how you stamp out other languages and dilute or destroy culture whether that’s the goal or not just as a consequence of teaching the lingua franca.
The French academy is a good example. Thousands of dialects disappeared because of being required to learn “proper French” as the academy saw it. It worked, which is why there’s far less variation in accents and spelling across France than the UK which took a more organic approach, inadvertently preserving some of the local accents even if the English inadvertently wiped out existing dialects due to incentives surrounding employment, along with rail, telegraphy, schooling, and urbanization.
Wiping out competing dialects and cultures is a consequence of industrialization and consolidating the land you have.
Dialects, sure, to some extent. I mean that hasn’t happened yet in industrialized China. The Chonqing accent versus Shenzen which is entirely different thanks to every single region sending people to shenzen over the last decade, but it absolutely can happen. But this is closer to the UK’s attempt to revive Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, and Irish Gaelic wherein new students are taught English, their own language (usually two or three more as optionals) and their own local culture and history first with the country’s history secondary.
It’s not perfect and some specific words and dialects may be lost, but the only other option is balkanization which damns those regions to constant poverty and warfare, especially Xinjiang which is resource rich, on the border with the Terror Sponsor Turkey, and has been the victim of 30 years of US destabilization attempts.
I can understand the general caution, but what other actual solution is there for a country that is older than pretty much all other countries on Earth with a collection of cultures more diverse and region specific than any besides Africa? Modernizing everyone to at least understand the same language is essential for any hope of economic advancement to happen, as intracountry economic migration is essential for social mobility regardless of the economic system in place.
Xinjiang and Tibet have only been part of China 70 years, some of China’s most recent imperial acquisitions. China is trying to erase the cultures of the people of these regions. Standard imperial practice.
Funny you mentioned the UK and the Irish language (Gaeilge not Irish Gaelic). If you like I can educate you on how the imperial British erased our language as the common tongue of the country. It involved projects just like the one China is currently engaging in. We former colonies recognise your imperial playbook and will do our best to call you out on it.
You know China ended slavery and torture in Tibet, right?
Please learn some history. Pretty please.
The region now called Tibet has been under what is now the ‘Chinese’ country since 1231AD. Continuously. From 1912 to 1951 Tibet had de facto independence due to the incompetency of the Republic of China being unable to control all of the Qing dynasty territory, which was one of the causes of the People’s revolution.
Xinjiang has been a part of china since the second century BCE, however. Where you got “70 years” is a fucking mystery and I do actually want you to feel bad about that. Since no source ON THIS FUCKING PLANET even suggests that. The fucking Han Dynasty conquered it before English was invented.
The reason the UK needs to try to revive those dialects and languages is the key here. Having a common language is a necessary part of consolidating your land as an industrialized nation, so I’m not surprised China is doing it. You’re right about balkanization happening if you don’t force people to use the lingua franca.
They know exactly what they’re doing and the consequences though. I think it’s disingenuous to say they don’t. The Chinese aren’t stupid so they know even if they teach both languages, when all of the official print, your own work, clients, friends, messaging apps, government forms .etc use Mandarin it eventually becomes the language primarily spoken at home which is where you can begin to break the link between one culture and the next.
Once that happens it’s possible to drop the local language requirement and a minority of people are mad about it at that point (generations later.) Same concept as second or third gen immigrants here in Canada who can’t speak their parents or grandparents language at all unless they pay for private schooling in an immersion school. I’m not saying China will drop the local language 20-40 years from now but eventually they can if they want and people aren’t going to be as strongly opposed once they’re integrated after decades of forced schooling in Mandarin.
They’re following a well tested method for homogenizing their nation. Canada tried and failed at it for the same reasons the Chinese are trying to prevent balkanization. In the end it’s going to destroy these cultures and it won’t be an accident…
The Chinese aren’t stupid so they know even if they teach both languages, when all of the official print, your own work, clients, friends, messaging apps, government forms .etc use Mandarin it eventually becomes the language primarily spoken at home which is where you can begin to break the link between one culture and the next.
Except all government forms are available in over 50 languages, including Uyghur. Nearly all apps have moved on from the “traditional (taiwan)/Simplified (mainland Mandarin)” split and offer at least 4 or five. qq and Baidu at least are offering translated pages in Tibetan and Uyghur now, and it’s really up to their friend and family group with what language they use.
They’re following a well tested method for homogenizing their nation. Canada tried and failed at it for the same reasons the Chinese are trying to prevent balkanization. In the end it’s going to destroy these cultures and it won’t be an accident…
Except China is just doing what every country that fucked up is now doing. They literally learned the lesson from Canada, France, the US, UK, et al who now all have local languages and culture taught along side the business culture and language. As someone who is both Choctaw Indian and Chinese, I can tell you the former is taught in the US along side English on Choctaw lands. There was period where this wasn’t true. China is just skipping that period and allowing that culture to continue while also not destroying their future.
Trying to eradicate a people’s culture is absolutely a form of genocide kiddo.
Requiring that people’s culture be taught in schools is erasing it?
Maybe my English has degraded but that sounds like the exact opposite kiddo.
and other minorities
I’m from Silesia which is now part of Poland after the WWII. All my grand parents were born in Germany and then the borders moved and the land became polish.
But it’s more complicated, because my ancestors were fighting against both the polish and the Germans to make Silesia an independent nation, but they failed. Two of my great grandfathers ended up in concentration camps because of that, one in Auschwitz and another one in Dachau.
When my dad started going to achool he spoke Silesian, a mix of polish and German which was usual there. His parents were called to the principal countless times that they have to do something about it because German was not allowed in school.
When my grandfathers sister who lived in Germany because she fled there - came to visit him they spoke German at the bus station because she didn’t speak polish. Someone called the police and my grandfather spent two weeks in jail for this.
When I started to go to school, it was still forbidden to learn German, so I was supposed to learn Russian instead.
My parents finally had the possibility to flee to Germany and only there 1989 we all started to learn the language of our ancestors, two generations later.
Still to this day the polish government is afraid of the separatistst movement in Silesia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_independence
China has the exact same problem as Poland. Before Xi they have been quite relaxed with it. My wife was born into a Korean family in north east China, she didn’t speak Chinese until middle school. They had their own identity, Korean schools, Shops, etc, no integration needed.
But separatism is dangerous for countries, it brings a lot of problems, fighting, security concerns, etc. It’s just easier and more harmonic if everyone pulls to the same direction. Poland crushed the German identity by constantly putting people into jail and making it impossible to live a normal life and by mixing the rest of the german population who for whatever reason couldn’t flee to Germany after WWII. And they did so very successfully I might add. Now Xi is learning from this success and doing the same with their minorities.
Separatism is a problem if the country’s government wants to preserve unity by force. If the country embraces diversity, separatism becomes weaker and even irrelevant.
It’s just easier and more harmonic if everyone pulls to the same direction.
This puts the cart before the horse. Nations are supposed to serve the needs of people. People are not supposed to serve the needs of a nation. If your nation needs to go to the extreme lengths of forced ethnic integration to keep a region from breaking free from your country, maybe that region simply doesn’t belong in your country and never should have been a part of it. That’s not harmonizing a nation; that’s conquest and ethnic cleansing.
Unlike what happened with your grandfather, China isn’t getting rid of local languages. They are requiring both in schools, the local regional language (down to microregions, so not everyone in Xinjiang has to learn Uyghur for example which would destroy more than a dozen cultures). This change simply requires mandarin to be taught alongside the local culture and language, so that Uyghurs aren’t trapped in Xinjiang and can actually find work in Beijing without having to take years of Mandarin lessons.
It’s amazing how many downvotes you are getting just for refuting the genocide narrative with simple facts and logic. I can’t tell if people are so afraid of being labeled a genocide denier or if they are genuinely this propagandized that they just instinctively react emotionally to anything that counters their worldview. It’s sad, to be honest.
It’s the latter. Unironically the CIA has made amazing strides in psychological operations compared to their older work despite their massive failings lately in direct interventions.
Despite them admitting to doing the same thing in regards to Tibet, wherein they claimed an impossibly large genocide and totally accidentally supported a child rapist who wants to return to a kingdom that allows him to have infinite child sex slaves, they were still successful in their campaign of making Americans pretend to care about Uyghurs and a genocide that has no evidence behind it.
So when they, the Americans and other groups affected by said propaganda, receive new propaganda like the most uncharitable reading of a positive law that actually protects cultural identity, ensures continued education in endangered languages and cultures, while still enabling the economic boon that comes from being able to speak the same language as 86% of all businesses in the country… they just believe that interpretation. Cognitive Dissonance is a serious problem amongst propagandized populations (warning, ironic link) and I don’t know how exactly to combat that except act as a beacon of diverse opinion and fact so that some of them might possibly break out of their conditioning, or at least start to question why they agree with the CIA over actual people living in the region.
Edit; if you’re wondering why, exactly, I choose to over cite my sources on this and other specific lemmy.world subs, cross check the [redacted]
It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities
Lol. Legal protection for minorities framed as a bad thing.
It’s not appropriate for a government to be doing this kind of thing. And it doesn’t protect minorities it erases them.
I think you misread the statement you’re quoting. Can you elaborate on what your take on it was?
My take was “China is banning acts that undermine a general Chinese Ethnic unity or create Ethnic Division (saying one group is different than another, you know, like a cultural pride or language teaching services in their native dialect would be examples)”
Beijing says its new ethnic unity law protects “the legitimate rights and interests of all ethnic groups” and “does not undermine ethnic minorities’ use of their own language.”
When asked about the potential for “long-arm jurisdiction” at a press conference Monday, Vice Minister of Justice Hu Weilie said it aligns with the basic norms of international law for countries to protect their sovereignty.
I read this to mean that the law is in place to do what they can to prevent outside agents from intentionally sewing separatist beliefs, as in outside groups (like maybe the CIA) sending people in that try and break up the unity of the larger Republic of China into smaller groups based on racist or ethic differences.
The statement from Beijing explicitly states it allows the minorities to practice their own language, and the 56 officially recognized minorities are considered part of the Chinese culture under this law, and protects those cultures.
China is constantly being battered on all sides by other agents from outside of their borders attempting to convince small areas to succede or separate from the Republic, and this bill is in place to prevent ethnic division on those grounds.
that’s my reading.
Is the CIA in the room with us right now?
Aren’t you the guy that defended Israel’s genocide?
You’re the only genocide denier here
Oh you must be some dumb fuck’s alt. All you fuckin sock puppets should be banned. Wanna point out which comment in my public comment history condones any of that shit? Or you just gonna pull some other bullshit whataboutisn? Israel has as much right to exist as you have reasoned positions. Fuckin ding dong dipshittery. Quick now call me blue maga or that I’m working for republicans or whatever nonsense projection you rubes are using these days.
Sorry for the off topic, I’m filling up a questionnaire. Do you think israel has a right to exist? :)
If Israel has a right to exist all the white people need to get the fuck out of north America. And you’re not sorry, you’re shit-stirring because the left loves to infight and purity test, I know because I do it too.
Isn’t this kinda standard? It would make sense to educate a country’s people in a common language. I don’t believe this is necessarily trying to eradicate the minority languages, patterns have generally shown that the languages just coexist.
As for unity in nationality, such a thing also makes sense.
Article reads as just another “haha china bad” hit piece from CNN
“Ethnic unity” is a euphemism for ethnic cleansing.
Evidence?
Show me a country that has engaged in cultural extermination that doesn’t couch it in terms of unity. That’s literally the core of fascism. You need one nation. One party. One race. One identity. That’s the definition of fascism.
I don’t think they’re advocating for one race here
Ethnic unity = one race
It doesn’t get more synonymous.
No one’s going to believe you’re that stupid so stop acting like you’re not just a troll.
It isn’t synonymous. The preamble of the legislation itself refers to the aim of a “unified multi-ethnic nation”. Just because the USA has issues of racism and race division going on, doesn’t mean that other nations should follow suit. The law is literally trying to break down race divisions and is in itself anti-racist.
Read the official publication, lol
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml
The state respects and protects the learning and use of minority languages and scripts, promotes the standardization, normalization and informatization of minority languages and scripts, and supports the protection, collation, research and utilization of ancient books of minority groups.
The outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups are integral parts of Chinese culture. The state adheres to guiding the creative transformation and innovative development of the outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups with advanced socialist culture, and supports the promotion and dissemination of outstanding traditional Chinese culture.
Two whole paragraphs you get to “traditional values”. Where have I heard that before?
They’re literally advocating ethnic unity. Not unity between ethnicities, but ethnic unity implying one.
The law bars anyone from blocking marriages on ethnic grounds. The only way to stop one ethnicity existing would be to ban interracial marriages.
Also, it doesn’t imply anything, the preamble refers to a unified multi-ethnic nation. The whole Chinese view on the issue has essentially been anti-racism and working towards ending racial divisions. If such a thing were to be promoted in the west, it would be celebrated.
Well, the whole view far as Chinese propaganda goes. And Trump is making America great again. Mmhmm. Sure.
Countries with large native minorities usually teach using the native language. For example in the UK there are Welsh medium schools for native Welsh speakers. This is usually not done for migrants, but only for local native languages. In the case of China there are more then a dozen none Chinese native languages with over a million speakers. For some you could easily set up universities and so forth.
Although in Wales, english is already known and used by government services, same in Ireland. Only 81% of Chinese people can speak Mandarin.
In Wales and Ireland the native languages were deliberately subjugated, and are only recently being deliberately re-prioritised. It’s a sore point among both populaces
So to compare the amount of speakers pre and post language erasure isn’t that helpful I don’t think
Doesn’t mean China will necessarily subjugate and erase them though. Minority languages can still be seen represented across China, even on the banknotes. As well as celebrating ethnic minorities, united under the five-starred red flag. It’s likely an effort to just make mandarin a first language.
