• potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      The two oldest, seated in front, are tending two newborn babies. Presumably the parents are off somewhere else, fucking.

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    I had the fortunate experience of growing up with great-grandparents living, as well as some of their siblings. I got to hear first-hand experiences from 3 generations of women (mother, grandmothers, and two great-grandmothers plus various aunts sprinkled in). It was invaluable for me. Knowing their life stories and the truth of what they endured has helped me navigate life in so many ways.

    It also has been incredible armor against the flood of misplaced nostalgia and outright manipulation of history that seems so prevelant. My great-grandmother was born in 1908 and died in 2002. She left her abusive husband in the 1930s and raised her kids as a single mom in a time when it was exponentially more difficult to do so. Glad she got out when she did with 4 instead of 14…

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      When I hear of the women in the victorian times who worked as sex workers to get by, got hacked into pieces by Jack the Ripper and no one batted an eye when they heard a woman screaming as that’s just what London was like at the time…

      … I know there’s a lot of unwritten history that wildly deviates from the conservative mindset, and always has.

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        If you’re interested, I highly recommend “The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper” by Hallie Rubenhold!

  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world
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    Dunno, but if I remember correctly, in the 19th and early 20th centuries child mortality was very high in some places, especially where there is little access to medical services, and certain vaccines have yet to be developed. That’s why some impoverished families became large because survival was on top of the list, and nearly all the children had to find work early on.

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      That and in combination with very little access to contraception and abortion. Women had as many babies as came from being married and having sex.

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      Oh wow, you dug a grave? Look at mister “thinks he’s better than everybody else because he owns enough land to bury people”. Why don’t you just tie em up in a sack and toss em in the river like the rest of us?

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      And the “orphan train” already passed by, so it’s not pictured either. Or the “for sale” signs when the children became too many. But the chimney sweep kids are “living it up”, as they’re learning an important trade!

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        But the chimney sweep kids are “living it up”, as they’re learning an important trade!

        The cancers those chimney sweep kids got were horrific. Last Podcast on the Left recently did a deep dive into chimney sweeps and it was eye-opening. Highly recommend listening if you’re into that kind of thing.

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          Sorry, sorry… that was sarcasm. It was mostly slavery of orphans, guised as trade-skills. As well as the cancers, they also had hellish injury/death, because ya know… 7 year olds are climbing chimneys

          “Put their feet to the fire”… sometimes kids were too afraid to keep climbing, so they lit a fire under them. Sometimes, they became too grown and got stuck in the chimney, possibly dying. Hellish

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            I wasn’t correcting you, I just have ADHD and saw your line about chimney sweeps which reminded me of that podcast episode so I recommended it hahaha

            I’m sorry I didn’t make it clear that I was just conversing with you.

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              Lmao, well damn I’m sorry again! That makes more sense, I misinterpreted cause I is a little dumb. I’ll have to check it out because I am in fact, into those kinda things! Thank you

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                No problem :)

                Tone can be so hard to convey on text and then further complicated with neurodivergence haha

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          if you’re into that kind of thing

          Chimney sweeps, podcasts, cancer, or open eyes?

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          Do you have a link to the podcast “the Left” or related doesn’t show clear results, thanks.

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          Chim, chimney

          Chim, chimney

          Chim, chim, cher-ee

          A sweep is full of cancer

          As full of cancer as you can be.

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      Um? I assume your comment was made tongue-in-cheek but seriously: Being pregnant (and raising the kid afterwards) is by far the most expensive contraceptive.

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      Isn’t it funny to laugh at women in tough situations through very little choice of their own?

      Peak comedy, right?

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    That’s what happens when a wife is not allowed to say no and birth control doesn’t exist. Could also represent having sex only 15 times over 16 years and getting pregnant every time. My grandmother swore all my grandfather needed to do was look at her and she was pregnant yet again.

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    Being fair to women back then, most of them didn’t know how sex and babies worked, lacked any sort of formal education besides knowing how to read and write, and were raised that disagreeing with your husband or saying no to him in the bedroom was how to wind up an old spinster, the worst fate for any woman.

    “Honey, if I knew what was causing it, I would never have had more than two.”

    -My great grandma, mother of 12

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        That seems unlikely to be true unless they were raised very religious and not in any proximity to farm animals or pets.

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              She lived on the farm, but she didn’t work it; that’s what the male children were for. Her “place” was in the house.

              She told me she would ask sometimes, but all anybody would ever tell her was some variation of, “Birds fly. Fish swim. Women have babies. That’s just what they do/That’s just the way it is.”

              She finally found out from her doctor while discussing her hysterectomy, but only after confirming her husband was already dead.

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        Not until after menopause. She was born in the rural US American south some time in the 1920s (the date is known, I just forget). She grew up during the great depression, never went to school, only knew what she learned from her mother, who lived the same way, and only socialized with other women at church, who also lived and grew up the same way. She could read and count well enough to follow a recipe and write enough to leave her husband a note, but that was about it. She was raised to believe that if she said no to her husband in the bedroom, he would divorce her, word would spread around town that she wasn’t a “good woman” and she would end up an old spinster, the worst thing a woman could possibly be.