My friends and I are in Matrix with the Sable client since march and we are really happy with it.
Can vouch for him. I can’t be happier with Matrix & Sable client.
You self-host or use a public instance? I’ve been curious about Matrix for a while but never found the time to set it up or find a decent instance
Fluxer continues rapid development and is now self-hostable.
The current stand alone client doesn’t allow you to specify a self hosted server though I’m limited to the web interface until there’s a fix, hopefully soon.
Really like fluxer though! Highly recommend it was very easy to set up and looks exactly like Discord.
I’ve been trying Fluxer recently and it’s been really great. though not as nice as Stoat with emotes, they still give 500 emote slots and 500 sticker slots for servers on the main instance. The mobile app that recently came out are a bit rough around the edges, but works well enough to replace discord for me (if only I could get all my friends on it…)
Does it have audio notifications yet? That was my deal-breaker when I tried it 6 months ago.
yep! you can even turn on a notification sound for messages in the current channel while the window is focused
I wish they’d do a cheap “Nitro Classic” style tier, rather than just having only “Nitro Premium”.
If they had a super cheap $1 tier just for being able to use custom emotes anywhere, I’d honestly love that. Though I feel like the $5/month for Plutonium is a lot better than $10/month that discord nitro goes for
It’s also a slop project. Matrix exists: join it and enjoy the federated future.
It’s not. Matrix is awful.
Ok go ahead, and please explain why matrix is awful. Please only speak from recent experience.
Slow loading, constant encryption errors, difficult to use, and way too many people on the flagship instance.
I’ve been on matrix for over about two years now. There is no noticeable slowness on the client, on any that I tried (and I’ve tried a lot of them), and the chats for our groups open immediately.
There have been 0 encryption errors so far. We use encryption only in private chats and chats where we exchange important data. I have only been on large encrypted rooms (100+) once, and I did have an initial loading phase which took a couple of seconds. One should be able to live with that.
I have brought 12 people including my mother on element. Three of those people are what I consider “techy”, and the rest managed to join and use it by themselves with zero teaching from me (other than giving them the home server URL).
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail. It’s not relevant for you. They can use whatever and you can use whatever.
I have a feeling that I have this talk once a month because there are misconceptions and misinformation on matrix. Matrix does have some issues, but these are not it.
I don’t know what to tell you, that has been my experience, and the experience of many others I have discussed it with.
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail.
Well for one, yes, I absolutely do hate that most people use Gmail. This i s simply not the case with many competing protocols. For another, no, it’s not the same, because Gmail makes no illusions of being private.
Yeah.
Also Fluxer is closed-source AFAIK.
And they say they will open it, but that just feels like empty words, and even if they did, I know they will use a shitty license as the FSL.
It’s open source under AGPL 3.0.
However they have worked on stuff privately before pushing it. That is apparently stopping now though, with contributions open again.
IRC exists and works great! :D
I’m on a self hosted network that is active almost around the clock, full of chill, wholesome and welcoming people. I can PM details for anyone who wants to come check us out (there is a webchat option, no need to set up a IRC client if you just want to have a look), don’t know if advertising is frowned upon here or not and I don’t want to spam or upset anyone.
Implying IRC is in any way replacement for discord is absurd.
Yes, I agree. No need to buy nitro, no gif spam, no emoji spam, not relying on one corporations good will. It is indeed much better ;D
I’ve been on IRC for 30+ years. It’s great for what it is.
Until it can do voice and screensharing, it’s not even in the same ball park.Well obviously. At no point did I suggest that IRC can do everything Discord can, or that it can replace the things Discord does. All I said is that it exists and works well.
I’d like the details to join if you wouldn’t mind pming me. I run a server so I may set it up. Thanks
I would also like the details, if possible.
I’m over 400 years old and if you don’t believe me, I still use teamspeak.
Of course you do. Now lets get you back to the home.
Bruh, I’m still on ICQ
Netscape navigator is the beast in business
The selfie method stands out: on-device processing with no video retained is a meaningful privacy distinction.
Yea I don’t buy it
Yea I don’t buy it
Good. No one should. Not at least after the data breach. I ain’t giving them shit.
Google Wallet users can share a passport ID pass; Google sends Discord a birthdate, and Discord derives age from it without retaining that date.
… if google wallet is determining it anyway, why can’t google wallet just reply yes or no to the “is over 17” query… it seems like discord wouldn’t need to know exact age at all in that flow.
In sane countries the government has a neutral service, backed by laws securing anonymity of verification, for this kind of shit. Only in commercial, dystopian, kleptocracies does it seem reasonable to have a company doing this.
While that is nice. Here in the kelptocracy not having a federal ID system is intentional and it has really slowed down the Nazis.
it would have to ask daily, because you can be 15 today and 16 tomorrow (idk what the age cutoff is), but it also says the date isn’t retained so you might be onto something
Everybody says the data isn’t retained. It’s very stylish, today, to claim to delete unused data, at least until it get breached
For people that want advice for finding an alternative service, go to the github repo and figure out the state of development. Find the answers to these questions: how many active developers are there? when was the last commit? does this look like LLM code? What do the issues and PRs look like? Remember that we don’t want to have to do this again in 10 years, so open source and decentralized are major points.
Fluxer?
Vibe coded slop by one person. It is not really an open source project if nobody can work on it.
Is it ?
Open the GitHub repo. This guy is outputing more code in a month than I have in my entire career.
Fluxer has no E2EE yet, and no Federation. But it’s very easy to set up your own server.
It’s also very easy to set up your own Matrix server with Tuwunel or Continuwuity. I don’t know about the state of hosting your own XMPP server, but I assume it’s just as easy.
My friend has set up his Matrix server with Continuwuity (what a name…) and it required quite a bit of technical knowledge. With Fluxer you basically don’t need any technical knowledge.
For comparison, it took my friend about a day or two to set up his Matrix server with Sable as his client, and make sure everything was running smoothly. We managed to set up a Fluxer test server within 30 minutes.
All the bullshit aside.
Why does any account that literally cannot be under 18 need to verify their age? On any service.
If the minimum age to create account + account age is at least 18, they are an adult.
I have two email addresses that I use to sign up to everything, and they themselves are both over 18 years old. The only thing I’ve let verify my age is my Microsoft account, and they did that by looking up my email with their “age verification partner” or whatever, and they determined I was over 18.
Not that I was ever planning to give any websites my ID or do any selfie shit with anyone anyway, but now that I know it’s completely possible to be verified without all that I definitely won’t now. Discord never tried to lock me out, so I guess my account there is old enough? I signed up pretty early when they started. I’ll go completely offline before I play along with any of this.
the discord minimum is 13, unless jurisdiction demands it to be higher (ie 16 in germany and australia)
Yeah so, if someone’s Discord account is 5 years old, they must be 18. Therefore they should be automatically verified.
(Id verification should be abolished though, crazy we are letting this shit happen)
Moved onto Matrix a while ago because of this. Gonna be real, Discord is better but all Matrix asked me for was hardware verification. I fucking hate this ID verification thing. Like we are going to see a sharp spark in identity theft going forward.
…and shit, I might be part of it. I had to verify with an ID to get my CompTIA tests, which I passed. I am still arguing with Pearson to delete my personal data, but I might be in the shitter with all the others getting their identity stolen.
yes but ai slop article
I’m so fucking tired of AI slop
yesterday I even got google AI search summaries quoting Meta AI summaries of people’s public facebook comments
like guys I just want to know the fucking difference between these two driveway sealer products, I don’t need a 1000 word AI generated food blog post on the incorrect reasons why sealing is important
Discord is perhaps the most unnecessary and readily replaceable service and they don’t seem to realize how short their time is
It’s absolutely possible to build a discord replacement
The real issue is convincing people to move
Yea this right here. People don’t remember, the only reason everyone left Skype in the first place, wasn’t because of skypes enshittification, although that didn’t help.
It was because during skypes implementation of said enshittification, their uptime was almost non-existent. Cloud servers crashed constantly, the linux program for it was unusable and required reinstall every time you opened. Messages weren’t sending and people weren’t getting notifications or history. People were forced to go elsewhere in order to remain in contact, so people moved to discord. The more people who moved the faster the transition become. Eventually everyone realized “Wow this is such a better product” and decided to stay.
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I run a trans discord server for an IRL group. We’ve looked at alternatives for obvious reasons, but we’re still on discord. All the alternatives we looked at come with some compromises. Often they lack some critical feature of discord. And while self hosting is great for an individual, it becomes a liability for a group as now that one individual has a great deal of responsibility and power over the rest of the group. And some alternatives are no where near as approachable as discord.
None of these problems are insurmountable, but they’re also not something that is as easy to brush aside as a lot of tech enthusiasts claim. Our current stance in our group is that we’ll stick with discord for now. If they start flagging our channel as adult content and demand ID to access it, at that point we’ll select one of the alternatives. The drawbacks of the other platforms aren’t deal breakers for us. But at present the hassle of discord’s bullshit isn’t enough for us to overcome the hassle of the alternatives and the transition. We’re aware of alternatives and keeping them in our back pocket, but for now we’re sticking with discord.
Oh right discord, I forgot they still exist XD
