Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
It is a very unfortunate situation, one that definitely affects 70 billion people. But please solve your own problems on your own. So far I’ve filtered out
/Trump/iand still about 30% of the posts are about him.There’s just one country whose political problems are spammed all over. They should find their own communities.
It’s hilarious that everyone here is assuming he’s not just straight up lying about giving that money to everyone and not just the people who vote Republican.
They are very interested in state voter information.
Nobody is getting any money
Oh people will get money. It’s just that the ones who will get aren’t the ones who need it
It is hilarious that every MAGA idiot and apparently you think that he is going to pay anyone that money. He has made similar promises before, breaking his promise time after time.
I hate the orange turd but your comparison is not 100% right. He’d gift 5000$ to everyone, not just who voted for him. I think that’s still illegal tho
I hate the orange turd and your observation is about 100% wrong. He will not pay anyone. He will keep the money himself.
I didn’t mean he’d give a dime to anybody given the fact that he’s a pathological liar but he didn’t say “I will give 5000$ to those who vote for me” but “I will give 5000$ to everyone”. And since I’m not a lawyer I don’t know if that’s illegal to say, as opposed to give “gifts” to only those who vote for a certain party
It’s not illegal. He gave out those COVID dividend checks and it was the most popular thing he’s ever done. It’s just a gross incentive for votes. The government needs that money for governance activities. It’s like ripping the bathtub out of someone’s house and gifting it to them “for free!”
I mean it’s probably not typically allowed under any normal laws and regulations, but they can always find a loop hole to do something like that in a legalish manner (like under a state of emergency, or with an executive order SCOTUS upholds, or hijacking a program meant for something else).
It’s also legal to give someone money after the fact for a job well done, and it’s definitely not a bribe.
From June 26 2024:
The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that a federal anti-bribery law does not make it a crime for state and local officials to accept a gratuity for acts that they have already taken.
We live in the stupidest timeline.
He will not give the money. He makes a promise. He breaks the promise. Please people - don’t be stupid. Do not believe this idiot.
In many countries it is legal to promise a tax rebate when you are in office. Many cons (oops, I mean conservatives) use this as voting bait for people with no critical thinking skills, and then turn around and give their corporate masters and billionaires huge tax cuts that make those same voters loose critical services that makw them pay out of pocket.
In other words, “Heres $200 to vote for me so i can make your life way more expensive on a yearly basis through medical care, less regulation, less infrastructure repair”.
This is the same grift, but more blatant and obviously something that would never get fulfilled, which is why the number is so big. Bigger numbers make critical thinking fail harder, especially when times are economically tough. It tends to get cons reelected even when they are not doing well in polls, speaking from the Canadian experience in this.
Well he did make it so tha tnothing he does in office is illegal, even if it’s illegal.
There will never be a payout of 5 k ,from taco, all lies
But the far right pretending to be socialists and for the workers is a long tradition dating back to at least 1920.
It’s very different. One is “I will give YOU money if you vote for me” and the other is “I will give EVERYONE money if I win”. The main difference is that one is not discriminating against who people voted for. The first is buying votes, the second is a campaign similar to “I will retroactively lower taxes for this year if I win”, which I don’t think anyone would see as problematic but it’s exactly the same outcome as the one you’re finding problem with, i.e. give people money.
It’s a stupid campaign because anyone with half a brain understand that he’s not going to do it and that that money would have to come from someplace else, but it’s still a campaign promise similar to any other promise politicians make to ask you to vote for them.
do you have supreme court immunity?
Surely the best response the Democrats could say is “if we win the midterms we’ll use Trumps financial plans to give you all 5k”… Trump can hardly then criticise it, it takes away the advantage of the bribe and if they win the midterms they can then declare “it was all bollocks there is no trillion dollars left lieing around to hand out”
Laws are as good as they are enforced. Look at speeding in a car. If you don’t get caught, if everyone else is doing it and the few cops around aren’t bothering to pull anyone over, it’s still illegal. Yet it doesn’t matter.
Or more comparable, someone of high importance is caught speeding, but when the cop sees who it is they let them go with a “warning”, i.e. do nothing. Still illegal, but okay for them to do apparently.
This isn’t an enforcement problem. What Trump is doing isn’t illegal and it shouldn’t be illegal. There’s nothing wrong with running for office promising to pass legislation establishing a government program if your side wins. You’re arguing for a standard that would have made it impossible to create Medicare, Social Security, or any other government program. Those all started as promises of, “if my side wins, we’ll pass a law giving people money.”
I see your point. If he was arguing for a law or program. Saying everyone get a check without anything more isn’t the same. For one, it isn’t going to happen because it would need legislation, which means a bill and a plan to fund it. And it’s Trump, so it’s not going to happen because he just says things.
Now if he said he’s going to propose and make Congress pass a law that gives every adult $1000 each month that is funded through tax increases on higher brackets… suddenly he’s pushing for UBI, and that’s a great idea. (or the start of one, I think it needs to be more complex than that for cost of living variations)
Americans refuse to apply the law to trump for some reason
Edit: Y’all acting like he’s been POTUS his whole life. Dude is a career conman-rapist-fraudster
there’s a major error in that the president, according to legal experts, can’t be arrested by anyone but congress and the house, which makes no sense. he should simply be president from a prison at this point.
How do you expect that to happen when the fascists own and operate all three branches of government and are hands on with DoJ?
Americans have no choice in the matter, if we’re talking about legal channels.
For real. Like yeah, lemme just waltz my ass on over there and issue a citizens arrest. That will go over splendidly.
All the idiots who say this shit think they would be the one to kill Hitler if they were born in Nazi Germany. There’s a reason it took a foreign military invading to push him to do it himself.
I’ve even heard dipshits say “Well America had a Civil War in the past” as if that war was declared by the people and not their governments and fought by their militaries.
No. It’s just moronic to argue that this is or should be illegal. For fuck’s sake, people in this thread are arguing it should be illegal for politicians for run for office promising to establish new government programs or give people money. They’re letting their campist impulses cloud their judgment.
it’s very different to say ‘‘I’ll extend medicade to all’’ vs ‘‘if I win this election I’ll cut you a literal check’’ there are different meanings here.
Conservatism is entirely about the laws applying differently to different people. The king is special. The nobles are a little less special. The peasants are trash. The slaves are worse. That’s the conservative world. Hierarchy. So of course they don’t want to apply rules to their chief.
They are worse than children.
Step 1: Have money.
Step 2: Rape children (and adults).
Step 3: Put an “R” next to your name.
Congrats, you are now immune from consequences.
Law means nothing in a coup
There is a difference between “I will pay you to vote for me” and “I will pay you if I win.” The first is certainly illegal, the second should be. In some ways, the second statement reminds me of the phrase, “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” Sure, no direct order was given, but the priest still died.
I don’t expect to see any response to this statement from law enforcement, just like there wasn’t when Musk actually paid people to vote for the conservative judge.
the funny thing about the priest quote is that the king DIDN’T want him killed and him being killing was a nightmare for the King and everyone knew he had him killed.
Also funny that their king wasn’t above the law… kinda sorta, but still actually had to answer for it to someone.
he was totally above the law, it was just a huge black eye and it made the annoyance of the priest turn into the actual Pope being mad at him and he had to publicly repent, but it appears no one blamed him for the murder but did blame him for expressing the wish to be rid of the priest. although the knights who killed him didn’t seem to intent to kill him, but tried to arrest him and he resisted to the point they killed him which isn’t better, but it’s different than an out right order to execute a known public figure. this was Henry II btw
(I’ll note that even states refused to pursue Musk. It appears that you can claim to do something illegal for a few hours on the internet, reap the media rewards, and then edit the post. Political activists, do take note.)
This turbulent priest
That’s a funny typo
