• HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      11 days ago

      I was going to say the same. Robots are doing all that right now. But also that robots are not AI but robots can use AI. Don’t need AI to do 90% of shit we need em to do.

    • frank@sopuli.xyz
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      10 days ago

      Yeah, as an automation engineer, I freaking hate this narrative. “I want the AI to do the dishes not write music”

      You don’t need AI for that, you have automation for it. further automation might be cool too, but the LLM has no place in doing a useful task like that.

      You can tell most people making this narrative haven’t ever been to a factory

      • Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca
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        10 days ago

        I hate the ai boom.

        We needed to continue to advance automation. Weve had it for years and its all we need. It just needs to continue to improve!

        Why bring on this fucking massive philosophical and ethical issue in an already crazy world? What the fuck are we even doing here?

  • MasutaHarada@thelemmy.club
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    10 days ago

    As long as they don’t solve material coat issue for sophisticated and specialized robot, let alone how their ai work without failure, robot will always be defeated by ol reliable cheap human miners.

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    10 days ago

    Physical AI isn’t that good yet. It’s getting better, but we are still at the beginning. AI hasn’t been out of the AI winter for long; these things take time.

    That being said, “dumb” robots already do a lot, and that will probably expand too with new AI support.

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    10 days ago

    Allegedly the reason can be found in the published Epstein files. But the people told me never pointed me to an exact portion, though it was something in the lines of:

    Can you operate these image recognition and similar systems in reverse? That could be used for art generation, and we could dethrone the left from its ivory tower.

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      10 days ago

      Is the implication that this quote comes from inside somewhere in the Epstein Files?

  • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today
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    11 days ago

    Those robots are expensive! They’re not gonna risk something worth so much on anything dangerous - let the worthless humans do that shit!

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    10 days ago

    It’s pretty simple:

    Robots are very expensive. And ones that could do this type of work cost even more. Nor are they smart enough to be able to reason ahead and envision danger. So they would get crushed in cave ins a lot.

    Human males, and yes its vastly men that do mining, are cheap and in plentiful supply. They can do at least some rudimentary reasoning and will get crushed less often. And if you lose a few, well they are easily and cheaply replaced. Making them far more profitable to use.

    As an aside, companies are designing and building robotic construction equipment these days. It’s just that none of you hang around with such “dirty trades”.

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      10 days ago

      First you say it can’t be done because it’s too complicated & expensive. Then you say it’s already being done. So which is it?

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        It can’t be done by every company/can’t be done en masse at an economically viable cost.

        But it can, and is, done in smaller cases.

        These things aren’t mutually exclusive

      • Bluewing@lemmy.world
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        I never said it couldn’t be done. Just that it’s really expensive and very complicated, (that’s the whole looking ahead and reasoning the dangers - AI robots are not yet that capable), vs the cost of human life.

        What IS being done is above ground human supervised robotics doing VERY simple tasks. Because that’s all they can do right now. But it’s an expensive buy in vs cheap human labor so you don’t see it much.

        As I said, none of you here get your hands that dirty with that type of work. You just complain from afar.

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    10 days ago

    The people in control of the robots write emails and make PowerPoints, that is how the world works to them.

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    Real answer?

    People who have access to the tools use it to do tasks they want to avoid. Sally from the civil team doesn’t work in mines or under the ocean, but she does spend way too much time on PowerPoint slides and emails she doesn’t actually care about. So she has Claude handle it so she can focus on her other work.

  • ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com
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    10 days ago

    You get to replace a lot more cost when you swap engineers and artists for AI slop machines than you do when you swap manual labor for actual mechanical robots.

    The people with the money to make the bots know this too.