As much as I really really like AOC, I wonder if the rest of America isn’t ready to elect a woman. We’ve had two female candidates and both times we got Trump. Granted the first time was Hillary and I held my nose to vote for her (now I’d vote for a fresh dog turd before I’d vote Trump, but something about the whole Hillary thing just rubbed me the wrong way, especially with what happened to Bernie), and the second time they really screwed up at the last minute with Joe. I guess I’m just skittish at this point.
I really hope I’m wrong, because AOC is just a hair behind Bernie in my opinion and I love Bernie. I think she’d be a really intelligent take no shit leader and I am so desperate for that right now.
Both candidates ran as conservatives that attacked the left side of the Democratic party more than they did Trump’s policies. It’s not because they were women, it’s the policies they stood for.
I absolutely think that’s a large part of it.
I personally believe that a woman could make a great president. I also believe that America is much more sexist and racist than many of us would like to admit.
If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiot that frankly deserved getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.
Ah the good ol american responsibility deflection strategy
How is accurately describing what happened “deflection”?
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.
So just half of Europe?
If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
Not as much as it’s taking out of the rest of us, not even close.
Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
If she’s still drained and devastated months after losing, she’s not emotionally mature enough to be president. What’s going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
Hillary had years of experience on the federal level. Senator and then Head of State. She was used to making choices that had a big impact.
I will always remember Harris for her DNC nomination debate performance. She personally called out Biden’s racist policies and how it impacted her. Showing that out of touch white men have lasting impacts on generations children. It was her highest moment. If you check articles they’ll say that was one of the highlights of the event.
And then became Biden’s VP. Just willing to ignore how he personally wrote a racist bill that harmed you because it’s a position of power? Alright. That’s sure a message about your morals.
And when asked about why by Steven Colbert: “It was a debate!”
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
the fact you people are still demanding she dance for you after vehemently screaming she’s worse than the current state of affairs is wild.
your purity tests are trash.
Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
You’re talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn’t fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
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Is she even considering running at all?
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.
Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.
Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.
Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.
But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.
Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?
So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Yeah fuck people who help dems win local elections and ballot measures! Those things aren’t real! Everyone knows the house and senate don’t matter! And neither do state legislatures! Fuck those stupid things that don’t affect anyone, it’s all about voting for the guy you think is going to win, not the one you want! Or, idk whatever you dems go on about.
Let’s keep attacking progressive voter base like the DNC wants! Let’s keep alienating them more! It will be a good idea THIS time! It worked so well that’s why 2016 was our best year! Way better than 2008 when we didn’t actively attack them! If we don’t ensure politics is voting against the one you hate most how will we keep all those non-voters at home, keep money in politics, and keep those oligarchs happy!
A histrionic straw man.
No.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn’t want Trump, and I also didn’t want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn’t be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
Hopefully when Harris wins the primary Ocasio-Cortez’s fans don’t have a nine year temper tantrum.
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Are you kidding? The only chance Harris has to win the primary is if the party pulls another Debbie Wasserman Schultz and destroys their chances in the general again.
So her chances are high, then.
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That’s a valid point, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
Complaining is fine and encouraged.
It’s the Bernie-or-bust mindset or the whole voting third party instead of Harris campaigns that I take issue with.
We wouldn’t have to be this way if the Democrats hadn’t shown their whole ass to put us here:
https://people.com/celebrity/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-following-bernie-sanders-comments/
That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
Right?
You’d think the party would have learned its lesson after the disaster in 2016 but then 2024 comes around and they do it again, appealing to self-described “centrists” like the mythical moderate Republican and pushing their own constituents out of the conversation so they could keep the AIPAC cash flowing.
Isn’t going against Israel political suicide whether you like them or not?
There’s a reason every president has been pro-Israel since it was created.
Isn’t going against Israel political suicide whether you like them or not?
It’s political suicide according to people who love everything they do.
Ask Ilhan Omar. She’s just a little representative and they wanted her gone. AIPAC can be a big fish in a small pond against a small number of targeted representatives who are already on shaky ground. They don’t mean shit at the presidential level.
Seems to me that their being pro-genocide hurt them more than it helped.
On the bright side they won’t be as toxic as KHIVE has always been
Are you talking about Harris or Beyoncé?
AOC supporters won’t be as toxic and vile as Harris supporters have been.
You didn’t answer the question just jumped up on your soapbox to say how we aren’t left enough for you.
My comment doesn’t imply anything like that. KHIVE has been the most vile toxic group of sycophants to come out of the DNC in years.
Harris lost to trump. She is a loser. In what reality do you live where the best candidate to run is before mentioned loser who failed to beat a clown faced grifter reality game show host? Are you as daft as the people who think trump is the savior?
Is that shocking because she is as high as second or not higher?
TBH that sounds completely expected to me. Bernie Sanders never won the DNC primary, idk why anybody would think AOC would unless a major upset happened.
If those are our two front runners we are fucked.
Then who would you suggest, if not AOC?
Truthfully I don’t know if the Democrats have anyone that can win back the American people. Newsome is hated by half his own state and all the other states. Buttigieg maybe? Idk.
We really need another Obama or Bill Clinton. Someone charasmatic and well spoken. We just don’t have anyone young or charasmatic in that way that I can think of.
AOC would be great.
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But would the majority of American voters vote for her?
Because if not then it doesn’t matter how great she would be.
She’s hit and miss for me. When she’s calling people out on their bullshit regardless of party affiliation I am a fan. When she’s marching along with the ancient Democrats and being performative I can’t stand that shit.
I do not think she would do significantly better than Harris did. I think she would be an improvement, but idk if that’s gonna be enough.
AOC might be a better House speaker.
If she doesn’t move to the Senate, yeah.
Of all the US presidents, only Obama, Harding, and FDR won the presidency from the Senate. I dont see that being in the Senate or not being in the Senate has any bearing at all beyond a bump for name recognition, and AOC doesnt need that bump. Especially so with the voters extreme low polling for approval of dems in congress.
I didn’t mean as a step towards POTUS. I think we need more people like her in Congressional leadership roles more than we need her as POTUS. Unless we’re talking about the next Roosevelt, I want a boring POTUS.
I’m GLAD that Democrats LEARNED from their Past Elections and are running a KNOWN LOSER WHO COULDNT BEAT A LITERAL FASCIST who Ran on the Platform of Ruining Our Lives! It pairs VERY WELL with Chuck Schumer’s Policy of doing NOTHING while American Citizens are Deported to El Salvadorian DEATH CAMPS!
Imagine losing to a carnival barker 2 times and not learning a thing from it. They will run their 2016 and 2024 playbook again in 2018 and wonder how they lost, again.
The Poll isn’t by the DNC it’s by Yale University. Dufus.
You probably need to take a break from the internet, for your own health and safety.
IDK, these days people disappear when they go out to touch grass…
Oof…
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
Exactly! It’s just… why?
Because no matter who is in office they’re still part of the enrichment scheme that is our government. They don’t really care who wins or loses because it doesn’t really affect them.
That’s why it’s important to be represented by the marginalized so that the decisions actually matter to the people making them.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She’s a cop. Cops aren’t progressive.
Yea harris is far from a progressive. She kept people in jail for bullshit marijuana charges.
Attorneys aren’t cops. Can we stop with the right wing smear campaign?
District Attorneys work for cops and for the interest of the government. They’re worse than cops… They empower, protect, and exonerate cops.
This isn’t a right wing smear, it’s a reality check for libs still clutching their pearls over their shitty candidate.
And yet, the cops hated her…
And as we all know…
Repeat after me kids
All Cops Are Bastards
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
I read it as “it’s a shock that she came in second” lol
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can’t think of anyone I’d be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don’t know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn’t have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I’m skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That’s what Obama promised, that’s why Sanders would’ve won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s only a deal because the democratic party is willing to hold back all women just to prevent the success of one progressive woman.
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
…that we’re talking about a progressive woman.
I’m a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I’d rather see her take Schumer’s senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate’s progressive leader.
Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
Country is fucked.
Fucking morons never learn.
Oh they learn, the wrong lessons.
Cory Booker talked all that time for nothing
Cory is probably aiming for Schumer’s position.
AOC + Booker?
No way a Senator would run under a Representative.
Or it can be the other way around.
That’s be an interesting ticket. I would like to see AOC primary against Schumer though.
By the time a VP is being chosen, she wouldn’t be “a rep”, she’d be the Democratic nominee for president a.k.a. the most important Democratic politician in the country.
No way Americans would elect a rapist traitor felon.
That actually sounds totally normal for Americans. We are fucking awful.
I’ll take it over the other folks on Capitol Hill that are doing absolutely nothing. People need to make noise.
It was impressive, and not only because fuck Strom Thurmond, but I figured he’d get kind of a bump from it.
I mean, Trumps polls are going down, more people are showing up to protest, more institutions are resisting.
Every act of public resistance emboldens more people to fight back. I’ll take it.
geeez, I wish it was 2028 already! I hope we still have elections in 2028. I usually don’t like to be doomer, but nobody is really stopping trump’s dictatorship right now. 😬
Midterms are next year. If we can make it that far.
There are elections this year if we make it to November. The “muzzle velocity” they got going isn’t giving me hope but the protests and town halls do a little.
Yeah, we’re not gonna get another election. We blew it as a country. Shit’s over.
Don’t play into the doom that Trump & Musk want us to all have. The fight ain’t over till its over
I hope so.
Don’t just hope, join the fight back! April 19th is the next day of nationwide protests
I was at the last one, and I’ll be at the next one.
Also hey person who downvoted me, I really hope you’re right. Another election would be good. It’s just there’s all this doom in the air.
I think there will be another election but you know that Trump is going to try something like refuse to leave office or challenge the validation of the election. Hopefully the midterms are a land slide for the Dems and we can get some sanity back
As a trans woman, this term has been suuuper rough on me and it’s barely a twelfth over.
🫂
Defeat, doom, and giving up just makes it a done deal and accomplishes nothing.
lol imagine thinking there’s going to be another presidential election
If we give up, you are right, there won’t be any.
But we also can’t just wait and think everything will be fine by next election.
The current administration wants us to be a dictatorship. When they talk about third term, they wants us to hey used to the fact that he will stay in power until his death.
Elections are far too useful as a form of control for the state to dispense with them. Virtually every country on earth has elections, even if they’re just sham elections for show. If you’re a dictator or aspiring dictator, you’re generally much better off having some pretence of democratic legitimacy than just coming out and announcing yourself as president for life.
So far the regime has done a ton of things that hurt its own legitimacy for basically no reason, from defunding USAid to dismantling DEI programs to destroying the administrative state for a the sake of pennies in savings. Those are all extremely useful to the government, just like elections, but they’re evil-liberal-deep-state-woke whatever and so they have to be stopped.
itt: we are completely fucked and this might be the end of america… but i ain’t voting for her! she better personally bless every toilet as transgender compatible and become a member of hamas before i vote for her!
I’m trans and I didn’t vote for her and I never will.
this might be the end of america
Inshallah
Wow you’re so cool and edgy
Inshallah
it’s unfortunate that you hate yourself and everyone else so much.
edit - congratulations, you’re the first and only person i’ve used the downvote button for. i hope you find love.
Obvious bait is obvious.
Don’t give into the doom that Trump & Musk want us to have. They want us thinking we’ve already lost so we don’t try to stop them, but the fight ain’t over till it’s over. We the people have power if we’re willing to use it
Join on the streets, take a part in boycotts, join strikes, etc.
Join on the streets, take a part in boycotts, join strikes, etc.
I agree, but those things aren’t voting.
Voting is over. It’s time to do something else.
This is only “doom and gloom” if you’ve given up and resigned yourself to inaction.
IMO, the worst possible response is ignoring reality and entertaining the fantasy that an election 3.5 years away could overthrow a fascist dictatorship that is doing everything you would do if you never planned on facing accountability, justice, or (fair) elections ever again.
IMO, the worst possible response is believing elections or bi-monthly protests are the only plausible way to remove a fascist dictatorship. There are many options, and Americans are already at the point that warrants a permanent general-strike. The corruption, authoritarianism, and treason to their constitutional oath is on full display for all to see. There should be a million people camped around capitol hill and every single Republican politicians home and office — every single SC justice — right now, PEACEFULLY demanding their immediate resignation/abdication, and new elections.
… and if the above fails, and the fascists resort to violence and terrorism to crush the protestors, that’s when the gloves should come off and the protestors should be prepared to forcefully remove the fascists, by any means necessary. That is literally the entire reason the 2nd amendment exists at all.
Every tyrant in history has proven that they’re either paper tigers who collapse (usually by fleeing) under the weight of opposition (often internal)… or choose violence, and should be met with violence.
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