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Don’t get me wrong, I don’t Mexico to sell chocolate but why are they thinking this is part of their job as government??
I don’t follow Mexican politics closely, but this could be part of an effort to curb obesity. I’ve heard they introduced taxes on sugary drinks for this, so this might be another avenue.
If people are wanting cheap snacks, and private companies are only making unhealthy ones, you can introduce regulations to micromanage what they can produce, or you can introduce a complex taxation process to disincentivize sugar snacks. Or you can introduce your own product that meets a perceived unmet demand in an underserved market.
Try chocolate that wasn’t made in America… Then imagine living a country with some of the best ingredients for chocolate making, and only seeing American chocolate on your store shelves… If capitalism is breaking stuff, the government is pretty much the only ones that can fix it. Though when the government is the thing that capitalism is breaking, I can see why you might not want them to do more than they currently do.
Government is supposed to be about pooling money so it can be more efficiently and effectively spent. Economies of scale. Even if the government only half does what you want and half does stuff you don’t care about, you are still getting better bang for your buck than if you tried to use your own tiny amounts of money to buy the half you do want.
Try chocolate that wasn’t made in America…
I’m actually very fond of the US but the chocolate is absolute filth, sorry lads. I was so excited to try Hershey’s and holy moly was it an earth shattering disappointment.
Born and bred in America and won’t eat American chocolate - literally tastes like vomit. And I do mean literally - Hershey’s chocolate goes through a process called lipolysis that breaks down their milk some and introduces butyric acid, which gives Parmesan, sour cream and other pungent dairy foods (and vomit) their smells.
Right… Well that’s some insight. Thank you . I heard a rumour that it was down to it being popular during a war where cocoa was in short supply but that makes sense too.
When they perfected the process so it didn’t happen anymore, people stopped buying their chocolate as it ‘tasted funny’ now and they started adding it artificially
Literally stockholm syndromed into enjoying the flavor of vomit…
No wonder our country is fucked, it was founded by morons
There’s more American chocolate than just Hersey. This is like saying american burgers are filth because McDonalds exists.
There is. That’s fair, and some of it was decent and that’s not to say that all American chocolate is bad because that would be stupid of course, as you say. And I’m sure there’s top notch American chocolate. Of course there is.
But, the dominant chocolate, the one that foreigners associate with the US, was shite IMO. That’s all.
And tbh I do like an oul’ mackers. I wouldn’t call McDonald’s the Hershey’s of burgers.
This is all subjective and I’m not being a cunt. I just was expecting sparkles in my mouth and I got… Hershey’s.
Fair, fair. And I may not agree with your take on Micky Dees, but goddamn I respect it!
High five from the far side of the Atlantic at 1:36am and not entirely sober ✋
Cheers mate 🤚
Yeah, that’s exactly what they’re talking about, did you not read the rest of that post?
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Providing healthy abordable food should be the first job of any governement.
Chocolate is candy, not food
Chocolate is food and is used in some Mexican sauces. It just happens to be that the most typical modern use is chocolate is in candy.
Governments subsidize foods all the time. Yours probably does, too.
Mexico already has Welfare Stores, and this bar is being made in co-op with Food for Wellness.
I’m barely old enough to remember government cheese.
That might be one of the best bang par buck moves possible from their health care department.
Government is the things we choose to do together. If the people choose healthy chocolate, then that’s the job.
Totally agree, didn’t mean to apply i’m against it but it just felt random. Thought maybe they were inspired by the donalds merchandise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Citizen morale is probably the most important job of government but people like you want to make us forget that
Cacao is a national treasure, and America floods Mexico with Hershey’s, Snickers, and other subpar “chocolate” and destroys local competition with cheap prices.
Fun fact:
The word “chocolate” is derived from the Nahuatl word Xocholatl (chikola-tl).
It is. They’ve got you conditioned to accept that government is just there to hurt you, it’s supposed to make society worth living in.
If I had to guess, it’s likely due to the obesity problem they were having
Because they tried leaving it to the private sector and people got unhealthy from eating cheap refined carbs?
I don’t Mexico to sell chocolate
Well I do Mexico to sell chocolate.
Comedy aside, I think its to address the extraordinary obesity issues that Mexico has faced in the past 20 years. Mexico is in my top 2 of countries I’m moving to as the US collapses, but they have real issues with refined foods and especially added sugar.
Mexico is 25th on this list with 36.1% of its population obese. The US is 13th at 42.9%.
Yeah well, Mexico is #1 on this list. I don’t even see the US on the list.
Shit I hadn’t even considered that. Glad I know now
What’s your other top 2 country? If I go I think I’m going to switch continents. I would prefer there to be a whole ocean between me and this bullshit.
Brazil is in the conversations. Mainly for professional reasons and because they do still invest in the kinds of science that my partner and I do, and I have many colleagues there and some family near Rio.
The other is Tahiti, because I’ve got a pretty substantial Vanilla production operation going at this point, which was kind-of the entire point of why I moved to where I did. I also have access to EU citizenship through my mother, and I as far as a visa to live and work in the country, I think that part should be straight forwards since its basically France. My partner and I also have some connections to the university, University of French Polynesia. My partner has also previously worked for CNRS in Toulouse, although briefly. Buying land might be out of reach because its ridiculously expensive, but I can imagine various ways of making it happen.
We’re seriously considering some option at this point, but its very tough because we moved to where we live because this is where we wanted to live. We’ve also got a wide range of “things” going on that are difficult, but not impossible, to disentangle ourselves from.
Big warning on moving to Brazil for science. Getting lab materials takes forever to get delivered and frequently just never arrives. I had a roommat do her last year of PhD research in the us because work was so much faster here due to how much better and more reliable logistics are.
I mean thats a great consideration. Luckily for me, I’m more on the pure computation/ analysis side of the house. I don’t really do wet chemistry any more, although my partner does.
Good info. France and Norway are appealing, I have a friend with family over there who likes me. The Netherlands is on my list as well, I’ve been there a few times and they don’t currently have any political drama that I’m aware of.
Yeah I can’t do anything above 22 degrees or below -22 degrees. I mean its right there in the name.
Oh boy, there is political drama here in the Netherlands right now.
The most right wing party in the coalition stepped out of the government because the other parties refused to sign its “strictest immigration policy ever”, so we’re heading towards elections again. Meanwhile parliament approved a law making being an illegal resident or helping one a crime. It needs to pass through the senate yet, but still. The minister of agriculture was found by a judge to abuse her power to obstruct freedom of information. There’s still no plan to solve the nitrogen pollution crisis, leading to building projects being on hold throughout the country. Against their promise of not drilling for gas in the northern province of Groningen anymore they’ve allowed it again, leading to more earthquakes. A singer was accused of antisemitism by politicians because he refused to play at a gig that had posters promoting Zionism, which led to him having to flee the country with his family because of death threats. Don’t speak out against Israel here either. There were border patrols done by a group of “activists” looking for illegals (“we found no brown people or anyone looking like that” they said), which were small and luckily stopped, but still. Then there are the government cuts in all social sectors, killing all services slowly over the years. Public transport, education, healthcare, municipal services, welfare, it’s all going downhill. And while the government still has to pay back thousands of parents it had wrongly accused of daycare fraud, the next screw-up was discovered a few months ago and they now also have to pay thousands of people on welfare for being sick because they had underpaid them for years.
The election campaign is probably gonna be a bunch of screaming matches about immigrants and refugees and name calling again even though there are far more pressing issues going on. It’s not as fascist here as it is in the US yet, but that’s only because we have a more reasonable electoral system.
If you come to europe i hope you didn’t vote for one of the genociders.
We don’t like your kind
Yes I know, and you shouldn’t. I voted for everyone who was against Trump.
I might just stay here and start building guillotines.
You’ll pay tarrifs for foreign parts but you can easily offset those because of the increasing demand
Mexico has been trying a lot to reduce obesity through various product labeling. This looks like a step in that direction; a snack that uses an indigenous ingredient (chocolate) in a manner that complies with federal guidelines.
You mean Mexico made certain Goods MORE Expensive but then Offered a Public alternative so people don’t HAVE to pay the Increase in Price?
That’s STUPID! They should just Slap a TARIFF on it WITHOUT Investment or Alternatives and let their Citizens deal with the Price increase!
They could be making their businesses “eat” the tariffs, but instead their people are eating good chocolate? That’s it, I’m heading down there, I’m sold.
I did notice that the Mexican coke that I occasionally buy as a treat (in the US) got new labels printed on the bottle instead of just a sticker.
For some reason it doesn’t taste as good as it used to though. Feels like even more sugar than previously maybe? I should look it up.
American slop producers in shambles
I always wondered what darker chocolate would be like when first ingredient on the list isn’t sugar… Powered milk is sweet by itself, but without all the sugar I think 50% cocoa content might be more powerful than in 50% chocolate we have here in Europe.
Do you really not have dark chocolate bars where you are? It’s pretty easy where I’m at to get 70% chocolate bars, and even 80% and 90%. You might have to go to a specialty shop for them but they’re just in the grocery store where I’m at.
It’s delicious, complex and depending on the origin or blend it can be fruity, dark, earthy, bitter, slightly spicy or taste like coffee. Proper dark chocolate has a kick of caffeine in it too. Hope you get a chance to try it!
We do all the way to 95% I believe was the highest. But they all contain tons of sugar regardless. Lessy obviously with that much cocoa, but still. The ingredients for this one didn’t mention any sugar…
Unsweetened chocolate is sometimes called “baking chocolate” and you can usually find it where the spices and chocolate chips are found at the grocery store. You could always try getting some and melting it in the microwave or double boiler, then adding some dairy or non dairy milk products to see how it is without added sugar.
I definitely want to eat this bar right now.
To be clear, this product is still 35% (natural cane) sugar (by weight, I assume).
Why’d they ruin it with powdered milk? 😣
I prefer my chocolate bars in liquid form!
Probably to make milk chocolate? They’ll probably make dark chocolate too if they aren’t already.
Milk chocolate is ruined chocolate.
Milk chocolate is ruined chocolate.
What a stupid opinion to get blocked over
What an accurate username
What a stupid opinion to block someone over
I’ve got all the people in the world who eat chocolate for its health benefits in the room with me right now, and they said, “”.
I suppose that is true, but there’s already plenty of health based chocolate companies. This chocolate is just supposed to be candy, which means they want it to not be bitter. Incidentally, I know someone who is allergic to oat milk, someone’s always going to be allergic to something.
I dunno, I’ve yet to see a chocolate bar product that actually gets everything right. I think that it’s entirely possible to make a chocolate bar that is not only every bit as much candy as any other, but is completely health-promoting as well. The bar here is really just the status quo.
I’m not sure if that would be possible. Chocolate takes a lot of sugar to become sweet, which doesn’t exactly promote health. I’m sure they went with the status quo because it’s popular, and they want to appeal to the widest customer base anyways.
I think you’re right, it’s not possible without modifying the product so much that it can no longer be considered a true chocolate bar. I was going to post another comment in this thread about how I would make a chocolate bar. The sugar isn’t even the hard part - the thing that makes sugar harmful is when it’s 1) refined away from a whole-food source, 2) consumed in excess, and 3) part of a diet that is high in both sugar and fat, and low in other nutrients like fiber and phytonutrients. The first issue can be solved by using date sugar as the sweetener, which is just whole pulverized dates. Molasses (in small amounts) could also play a role.
The bigger problem is the cocoa butter itself. That stuff is really high in saturated fats, and chocolate cannot be considered chocolate without it’s inclusion. If I were to prioritize health over adhering to a standard, I would use either some kind of nut butter as a replacement (ideally one high in omega 3, like walnut butter), or a healthier oil like canola oil. Hmm, maybe avocado could be a good choice.
At this point I think it starts to run into stability issues, so an emulsifier of some sort would be desirable. I wouldn’t want to use industrial products like lecithins, so maybe something like chickpea flower. But then at this point we’re gone so far from chocolate bar that we’re probably talking about something that would be closer to a brownie texture.
Another thing I found in looking into this is that there are two main forms of cocoa powder/solids. The one used in chocolate bars uses a so-called “Dutch process” which leads to a product that is lower in flavanoid/polyphenol content. The other kind of cocoa, usually sold as “natural cocoa powder” has higher acidity, so a more sour taste. It requires either more sugar to taste good, is generally preferred more in baked goods, or in some cases will include an alkaline ingredient to neutralize the acidity.
So in pursuing health I end up removing literally every ingredient that makes a chocolate bar what it is. I guess I’m just finding out that I don’t like chocolate bars after all. XD
It’d be interesting to experiment with these lines of thought and see what comes out…
That certainly would be an interesting experiment. Date sugar sounds like it would be better in baked goods though, since it seems like it wouldn’t melt or dissolve like sugar crystals.
I’ve yet to see a chocolate bar product that actually gets everything right.
You’ve never had good chocolate? I don’t understand.
I’ve never seen a chocolate bar that can truly be called healthy. See this comment for details on why. While it is possible to make a healthy chocolate-flavored treat, It’s not possible to make a healthy true chocolate bar.
Between 14 and 96 pesos, or up to $5.15 usd
How much lead?
For those who don’t know: toxins in chocolate.
I was thinking about lead in Mexican candy in general, but apparently they have improved quite a bit since the early 2000s.
American government: Builds concentration camps
Mexican government: Develops brand new chocolate bars
I’m happy to see there are still some governments out there who rule in the interest of the people.
The MEXICAN government ruling in the interests of the people? This is absolutely delusional. Mexico is one of the most corrupt, dangerous, and unstable places in the world. The country is quickly turning into a warzone because of the cartels, and both the current and previous presidents and their government aren’t doing anything about it because they’re bought.
A government making a chocolate bar to distract from the crippling poverty and crime is not good governance, it’s the opposite.
Mexico’s murder rate per 100 000 is 24.9, meaning you’re on average safer in Mexico than in Newark, Memphis, Cleveland, Kansas City, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore or St. Louis.
Never mind that murders in Mexico are generally committed using American firearms, and for American money over drugs that are to be sold in America. Mexico’s problem is America. So while we wait for America to selfdestruct, I guess they might as well get to work on public health issues.
Obviously not saying that cartels are not a huge fucking problem. It’s hard to get good politicians when they murder anyone who resists them. But the cartels are in large part a product of America’s failures. Europeans are not innocent either - fuck every coke snoking upper class brat who is having their pathetic highs at the expense of a whole fucking continent.
/rant
Wait I’m confused, so Mexico is safer than the USA, but they murder any politician who goes against the cartel?
Doesn’t sound so safe to me?
but the stats said it is safer!!! /s
Must be easy to get confused when you can only have one thought in your head at a time, and barely even that.
I’m sure that sounded better in your head than it read.
It’s okay, you still have worth!
What a load of nonsense
First of all, why are you comparing the homicide rate a country to specific cities? That’s the epitome of cherry picking. Compare country to country like a normal person. The US homicide rate in 2023 was 5.763 (ranks 66th), and Mexico’s in the same year was 24.859 (18th). This means that Mexico’s homicide rate is more than FOUR times higher than America’s homicide rate. Mexico’s homicide rate is so insanely high that it has more total murders annually (32,252) than the US (19,796), a country with 3x it’s population. The difference alone is so high that if it was ranked globally, it would rank 8th ahead of Pakistan and below Colombia, both notoriously dangerous countries with very high populations. Do you understand just how insanely dangerous Mexico is? Clearly not.
What’s crazy is that the US is a dangerous country. It is the most dangerous developed country by far. For Mexico to make the US look this safe in comparison means that it’s basically a war zone, and it is. Mexico is quite literally classified as one of the handful of countries that is experience a major war. That’s how bad the cartel wars have gotten. Pretending that US is anywhere near Mexico is beyond disingenuous.
But do you know what the federal Mexican government is doing about all the cartels and their rapes, human trafficking, drugs, violence, assassinations of local politicians, persecution of journalists, extortion, massacres, racketeering, barbaric executions, fraud, and literal fucking torture concentration camps? Nothing. They’re doing nothing. The current president, Sheinbaum, and her predecessor, AMLO, are both notorious for enabling the cartels. They let them do whatever they want without any consequences, and the people are paying the price for it.
No Mexican is going to ever tell you that the cartels are the fault of America. That’s the most mind numbingly idiotic take that anybody could have about the situation there. This is how I know that you’ve never talked to a Mexican in your life. Trying to infantilize Mexicans by blaming the issues of their country on America or Europe is just racism of low expectations. Mexico has agency and Mexican know that this the doing of their government’s corruption, incompetence, and negligence. These cartels should’ve been squashed the moment they arose, but they weren’t and they still aren’t even though things are getting out of control. This brainrotted mentality of thinking that you’re smart for blaming America for anything and everything neither makes you sound smart nor does it make your assertions true. The same goes for saying “America bad” as a comparison, it doesn’t negate the points brought up.
You can play all the mental gymnastics you want, it’s not going to change the fact that Mexico is an incredibly dangerous place and the Mexican government is not ruling in the interests of its people, and nobody is more vocal about this than Mexicans.
Mexico is not one place, it is many places. Yucatán has lower homicide rates than Wyoming.
I wonder where you think the cartels gets their weapons from. Mexico has strict gun laws. Or their money - it doesn’t just spawn out of nowhere. Parts of Mexico are dangerous because they are part of an illegal trade route to the US, fuelled by American weapons and American money, and that is that.
Tell me you haven’t been to Mexico without telling me you haven’t been to Mexico.
Clearly you’ve never set foot in Mexico and if you have, you’ve only been to a heavily guarded resort in a place like Cancun with other white Americans. If you’re going to sit here and argue that Mexico is wealthy, safe, or that it’s government is doing good then you’re literally too ignorant for this conversation.
This guy is a zionist. Don’t waste your time with him
Just an FYI for anybody reading this thread, this guy is a well known troll on here. If you go through his comment history, he calls EVERYTHING zionist regardless of validity or context.
Sure i am a troll who call everybody a zionist. Like one of the guys not you who said gazans voted for hamas so palestinians deserve what happened to them
Good thing I’ve never said that, and I know you won’t be able to find a single comment to prove your claim either. I see you under every other post with your bad english claiming that everyone and everything is a zionist who loves genocide regardless of context, validity, or relevance. There’s never any evidence, but that won’t stop you making stuff up. Like I said, you’re a troll.
A bunch of bs. Your comment by my English show that you have no real arguments. English is my 3rd language, you can’t expect my English to be perfect. I only call people who every time Israel break international laws keep talking about iran, khamas , khizbollah and never ever talk about how israel war crimes.
You justified people getting arrested for protesting against calling Palestine actions. You justified Israel attack on Iran. Striking nuclear facilities is a war crime under international law. So stop pretending that you are not a zionist.
Anybody can check our comments histories and see who is lying.
You are not only a Zionist but also a transphobic
Seems a little off topic and unsourced?
If someone justify a genocide how can you him in anything?
By whether they’re making verifiable and objective claims? They aren’t, really, and they certainly didn’t source theirs, but it’s a lot more convincing to say that instead of making your own unsourced accusations.
I think the issue is that you’ve not provided evidence that the other user supports Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
At the end of the day it’s just an internet argument and not worth it, but if you want to make your point, I’d start by getting that evidence.
I do agree in principle that I would think twice before agreeing with any position a genocide supporter takes, though that doesn’t necessarily mean I will disagree on any particular point after giving it due thought. If they said throwing puppies from a roof was bad, I’d agree, for example.
Have you been to Mexico? How about you take a little vacation to Sinaloa to prove me wrong?
I was there a year ago. It was nice enough, not nearly as worrisome as I thought it would be. Yes, I stayed in the tourist areas, no I didn’t wander into the rural areas, no I didn’t try to start shit in clubs, yes I saw armed military on patrol. There were a lot of people trying to live their lives despite the serious crime in the region.
There are absolutely terrible things happening there and I would love for them to get better. I can say the same thing about the US. At least Mexico isn’t waging war on my country, trade or otherwise.
Where did you go? Culiacan? Mazatlan? If you stuck exclusively to the tourist areas and made sure you were on red alert all the time, and tried to avoid wandering anywhere or having any sort of confrontation, then you would be fine for the most part… but that in itself isn’t normal. By having that sort of discipline out of fear goes beyond the scope of normal tourist precautions.
Also, even though the US is dangerous in its own right, and has plenty of issues, it is not at all comparable to Mexico. The US homicide rate is a quarter of Mexico’s and it has been declining sharply over the past few years. There’s nothing like the cartels in the country, most of the crime is localized. There aren’t organized crime syndicates running entire cities.
Sinaloa has some great towns
Sure, but that doesn’t mean it’s a safe place though
I live in here in Mexico and they did not lie at all
You say that like most governments are acting like the US, which is just so dumb. Your comment reeks of “I only know about the US government and nothing else”.
A high quality chocolate bar, at that.
Well, depends on if the advertising matches the product.
I mean, they list the ingredients and percentages.
They list what they claim are the ingredients and percentages.
They’re also the state. Who is going to fine them?
Yup realize the state isn’t making them, right? It’s a partnership/subsidization with one of the food companies that handles welfare foods.
If the state stands to profit from the relationship the distinction is meaningless beyond muttering about the merger of state and corporate power.
The lady doing the presentation said that it has 35% of cane sugar.
Also behind her you see “hecho con azúcar de caña” which means “made with cane sugar”.
Cane sugar is generally at least a bit refined merely to purify it (so unlike High-Frutose Corn Syrup it’s not made by chemically transforming something else).
That said, it’s unclear if they use unrefined sugar cane, though that stuff is a complete total pita to work with hence I doubt it’s not in the least bit refined.
Mind you I looked around and the info on this is all over the place: like for example saying “no added sugars” but then a bit further it turns out it has “cane sugar”, which does mean that sugars were added (as the cocoa plant doesn’t produce cane sugar, that would be the sugarcane plant).
Mind you, by all indications this beats almost all North American chocolates, but that hardly a tall barrier to overcome. It’s pretty common to find similar stuff in European supermarkets.
What would sweeten it if it didn’t have added sugars? I’m not sure I fully understand what you’re saying.
He’s saying its likely got cane sugar, which is basically “less” refined sugar. It seems unlikely it has no added sugars and likely what they are trying to say is: it has no high processed sugars/artificial sweeteners.
She also said it contains soy lecithin (just a little!) and salt
Anybody have a source? I just get recommendations to Mexican restaurants
It’s in Spanish but your browser should be able to translate.
Not the news I was expecting but kind of a cool way to address a variety of issues, like obesity, imports from US, generating revenue, subsidizing a national crop, etc.
Don’t hold your breath, the Mexican government makes the American government under Republican rule seem competent. Just like how the American government is bought and paid for by corporations, the Mexican government is bought and paid for by the cartels.
Oh yeah thanks for reminding me this is just another way the Government is taking money for the Lopez family
substitute the milk then it’ll be cheaper and healthier
Why does this post read like some kind of advertising bot posted it
Because we are used to anytime someone mentions a product name, they were paid to do so.
But this is just an interesting and useful government intervention to correct a capitalism-derived problem.
It’s more then mentioning the product name, the whole bit going on making it sound organic and shit screams sales read
Well, with it being a “relatively” healthy alternative to excessively refined sugar based chocolates, stressing that it is better to eat than American chocolate is pretty important. The idea is to sell it to the populace effectively enough that the reduction in medical spending outweighs or strongly supplements the manufacturing cost.
So it is also kind of an ad in that sense. Just not written for eyes outside of Mexico.
how are the labor practices
Better than the US.
48 hours a week is better?
Don’t have to piss in a bottle.
But we DO have Amazon Warehouses in Mexico!
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What? Why would a job in Mexico pay enough to live in the US… That makes no sense. Cost of living isn’t even the same across the US.
Does the US?
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So your argument is everyone in the us owns houses in cities so they have better labor practices than Mexico?
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In US cities??? This is in Mexico lol
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LMAO when did buying a fuckin house in the US become some kind of gold standard? In the country where they rip you off wherever you go. I swear to God Americans are so self centered and need to measure everything based on themselves.
The average cost of a house in Mexico is way lower than it is in the U.S., why the fuck would they want or need to buy a house in a Nazi country?
Would you choose to be able to feed/house yourself and be safe from preventable dangers, or buy a house in the US? If good labour practice means the latter and not the former, then I don’t believe it’s a good metric on which to evaluate their chocolate.
