This horrific and vile, this is why I wish we could’ve gotten a different outcome with the election. More horrible news to add onto an ever-growing pile of shit. I wish my mom would’ve chosen to divorce my dad and took us to Germany…Fleeing this rotting nation would’ve been a boon!
But we saved Gaza by not electing Kamala. Didn’t we? The internet told me so.
“Why did Kamala/Biden/The Democratic Party do this to us?” - so much of the dialogue, even fucking now.
Kamala’s only public address since gleefully handing power to the fascist party has been to demand the release of idf soldiers held by hamas lmao
Hey. I got an email from “her” asking for money to fight Trump. Just give more money and they will fight for you!
Imagine having the gall to require a raise everytime you’re being asked to do your already obscenely overpaid job. Boggles the mind. Especialy since they’re already wealthy beyond comprehension.
Wowzers, she’s more of a shitlib than I thought, gawd dayum.
Gleeful smh, what do you expect
herBiden to do? Latch onto the resolute desk until the secret service pull him away kicking and screaming? If you don’t believe in peaceful transition, you’re as bad as Jan 6ers.This is ironic right lmao
That you compartmentalize people calling you out as “must be ironic” is telling.
Brother if you think that was a call-out you are hilariously pathetic
I asked if it was ironic because it was so braindead I assumed you were making a joke, the fact you typed that out in all seriousness is sad.
And now we see the attacks. Also telling.
The UK and Australia have been infringing upon trans rights and free speech recently. Makes me think this might be a return to the Western world’s roots. Hopefully, Ireland will be left alone for once, I can move there, and become an alcoholic.
Yes, UK and Aussie Terfs have been trying to disenfranchise transmen and women for a long while, unfortunately J. K. Rowling gave them a nasty opening to make their cruel work stick. I do hope for a revolution against these egregious acts, as American ancestors fought to make the English fuck right off. Ireland will likely fall to a similar fate, as there is a rise of anti-trans rhetoric in that nation too. I don’t think many places are going to be safe in the world. Barring communities who give a shit about their fellow humans, of course!
Any idea what the process is to move to Ireland (from the States)?
No idea. Just something I kind of want to do. It’s probably easier if you have more recent Irish ancestors, speak Irish, have any connection to Ireland whatsoever. I have none of those things unfortunately. It’s just one of my top options. I’d prefer a place where most people speak English as a first language because languages are hard, and I only speak that and abysmal German. Good luck with getting there!
American birthright citizenship has been a necessity throughout its period of settlement (by european foreigners) because otherwise the USA wouldn’t exist today. That doesn’t mean that jus soli is a law of nature.
If you take a look at this map, you’re gonna recognize we europeans do just fine without Rule of the Land.
“we europeans do just fine”
Do you?
I knew a guy who was born in a European country. He’d never lived anywhere else. But, because his parents had citizenship to a different country, he was a citizen of that country, one he had only occasionally visited. To me, that doesn’t sound like a system that’s working just fine. It’s one that has some major problems.
If he was a resident his whole life, why didn’t he apply for citizenship?
It’s notoriously hard in the country he grew up in, and the people are notoriously racist. He doesn’t look like them.
We’ve been doing just fine WITH Rule of the Land, this is a psyop
what does “psyop” mean in that context? i’m not paid by the republicans if that’s what you mean
also, yes, you’ve been doing just fine WITH Rule of the Land in the past, of course. Though if you believe in Economics 101, you’ll understand Supply and Demand, i.e. if there’s more supply of human labor (more people in the country), then the prices for human labor go down, i.e. the people get paid lower wages, and (i claim) that is the biggest contributing factor to human quality-of-life: the ratio of income to cost-of-living.
Now, if you care about the people’s wellbeing, you want to keep their quality-of-life as high as possible. And that socio-economically entails maximizing the ratio of income to cost-of-living. If a lower supply of human labor, such as by a falling birthrate or reduced immigration achieves that, then i’m all for it.
Do you have any more questions?
Lol, quotes “economics 101” ignores the basic concept that capitalist economies require growth…which requires a larger population every generation to avoid recession. Something that only immigration is projected to be able to provide.
Don’t attempt to utilize your poor interpretation of economics to veil your blatant racism.
that capitalist economies require growth
I mean, therein itself lies the problem … people are just seen as a statistics, “line must go up” mentality
also i’m not racist
I mean, therein itself lies the problem … people are just seen as a statistics, “line must go up” mentality
And your tirade against immigration is in opposition to seeing people as a statistic…?
If your argument is supposedly against “line goes up mentality” maybe a better target of your claims should be aimed against capitalism, not a poor interpretations of economics claiming how immigrants are bad for the economy.
also i’m not racist
Just have the same ideas as racist, sure…
FIne not a Psyop - I for one agree with birthright just because it’s purely American. We’ve always done it that way and that’s what we do - we kick ass. Screw you wanting to change things. Whats next? This entire term has been coming for one freedom after another.
I dunno what you are getting at, because massive immigration has been an economic miracle for the USA. It’s ballooned the population, drained brains from other countries, and bolstered entire industries.
You know what gives countries a good quality of life? A young population with a high birth rate, so that the working population isn’t overburdened taking care of retirees, as Korea and Japan are existentially facing now.
The USA has a low birthrate. And immigration has completely made up for it because they skew young.
Take that away?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk
From a purely economic quality of life perspective, setting all morals aside, the US should pull in as many immigrants as it can.
Meanwhile, the fallacy of immigration hurting wages is basically the South Park episode “Goobacks”
I dunno what you are getting at, because massive immigration has been an economic miracle for the USA. It’s ballooned the population, drained brains from other countries, and bolstered entire industries.
“bolstered entire industries”, i.e. has increased the value of companies at the stock market. people’s wellbeing depends on their individual economic situation. the stock market is the economic situation of the rich.
If 200 million people produce twice as many goods as a 100 million, that just means that just as many goods are being produced per person, and that’s what matters.
You know what gives countries a good quality of life? A young population with a high birth rate, so that the working population isn’t overburdened taking care of retirees, as Korea and Japan are existentially facing now.
That argument is a fallacy and can just as easily be turned around, like:
You know what gives countries a good quality of life? An old population with a low birth rate, so that the working population isn’t overburdened taking care of
retireeskids, as people in the medieval ages faced, where everybody had 6 kids.“bolstered entire industries”, i.e. has increased the value of companies at the stock market. people’s wellbeing depends on their individual economic situation. the stock market is the economic situation of the rich.
The stock market is one representation of the productivity of a nation. The individual distribution of that productivity is negotiated via labour negotiation.
If 200 million people produce twice as many goods as a 100 million, that just means that just as many goods are being produced per person, and that’s what matters.
Where did you “learn” economics…? Production works on a scale, meaning that 100 million people working with the same efficiency as 200m people will never be able to be as productive.
An old population with a low birth rate, so that the working population isn’t overburdened taking care of
retireeskids, as people in the medieval ages faced, where everybody had 6 kids.Lol, only one of those scenarios has any evidence to support it. The reason people had a lot of kids back then is because they required labour to work the land. The kids were the working population you dolt.
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
You should watch the video. I used to be an overpopulation doomer, and it completely changed my perspective, especially when I dug into papers backing it up.
It’s worth mentioning that the videos perspective and conclusions are made within the lens of a capitalistic economy. Other economic models differ in their needs for economic stability. It’s also worth noting that capitalism has its own internal contradictions that have no real solution.
If we extend the logical basis of the video we end up with a scenario where the economy requires infinite growth which requires an infinitely expanding population to sustain. This is just not possible within a closed system with finite resources.
In conclusion we have yet to reach a point of overpopulation, however we aren’t very far from it given the compound growth required to sustain the most common economic system we utilize. Humans have used more of our natural resources in the last generation than all generations of the past put together. We will eventually have to change our economic system and adapt one with a much much lower consumption rate, figure ways to limit our population growth, or more than likely both.
We will eventually have to change our economic system and adapt one with a much much lower consumption rate, figure ways to limit our population growth, or more than likely both.
Of course. 100% agree with this, even if better technology helps. It will have to be pretty soon.
But in the very short term? This is going to be a disaster, and the human population is shooting itself in the foot by not accepting immigration from extreme birth rate countries (where overpopulation is indeed an issue).
Then end it going forward. Don’t retroactively remove it from people who had no choice and who have never known any different.
Then end it going forward.
You mean, “then arrange for a constitutional convention at which you can propose the repeal of the 14th amendment, and then have people vote on it”.
The president has no ability to end either form of birthright citizenship, it can only be done by modifying the constitution.
There’s no borders on “law of nature” neither
well, you could consider the skin a natural border
Jus soli isn’t a law of nature, but it is a law of morality. Anything less is effectively the creation of a caste system of full citizens and second-class citizens purely depending on who one’s ancestors are. This is not a hypothetical; many countries historically have been and many still are in such situations due to the lack of birthright citizenship. The fact that most of this map is red is nothing short of an affront to human morality.
It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.
Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.
So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.
Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?
the rich: “I hate how I have most of the money instead of all of the money.”
You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away
Republicans: “Hold my beer”
So if as an American, you were to lose your documentation, unless you are lily white, you can be contained by ICE.
Be scared.
No, ICE can still detain you if you’re lily white. Race is only an excuse to get started; they will deport dissidents with this eventually.
The immigration courts happen to be directly ran by the executive branch. They’re firing any judge who isn’t onboard.
They deported a white guy from Norway. They have no issues deporting anybody, trust me.
“Got a quota to meet! Who can we deport today?”
No not your documentation. Your parent’s documentation
Yeah, but also for most things requiring proof of citizenship in the US, people generally use their birth certificate or a document, like a passport or real ID, that was originally obtained with a birth certificate. If birthright citizenship is no longer a thing, how would you even provide documentation for your parents’ citizenship if they aren’t naturalized citizens? Can’t rely on their birth certificates because that no longer matters and now I have to prove my grandparents were/are citizens to prove my parents are citizens and on and on. It doesn’t even make sense.
It makes complete sense when you understand that the goal isn’t to deport “illegal immigrants” (whatever that’s supposed to mean), but anyone they want (and that “deport” effectively means disappear).
Your only defence is to be a member (in good standing) of their group (and only as long as you remain in good standing).
Otherwise you’re fair game.
And there’s nothing you can legally do about it (except leave the country before they get to you, but then you risk getting caught as you cross the border to leave), because it’s intentionally impossible for you to follow the law.
Thank you for so clearly explaining how an autocrat works. Dictators use the premise and facade of laws for legitimacy but never actually care to follow them. The Donvict loves autocrats like Putin and Kim. The fact that donOLD’s grandfather was an immigrant is irrelevant because he’s the king, er, prez or whatever, and decides that the rules are for other people and not him.
“illegal immigrants” (whatever that’s supposed to mean)
Attempting to violate constitutional law through executive order is vile, and all law enforcement should be in uniform and identifiable (and held to higher standards than non-law enforcement) so I am completely against everything Trump is doing, but let’s not pretend illegal immigration isn’t a thing as a knee jerk in the other direction.
Illegal immigration is crossing the border without legally passing through customs to establish a legal right to be in that country, or overstaying your legal right to be there (Visa). People who are in a country illegally are rightfully subject to deportation back to wherever they are citizens. Pretending otherwise just helps more moderate people buy into the propaganda and let’s the ratchet work more easily.
We are all rightly complaining about Trump violating the law, so how is it also not a problem for people to violate immigration law? This is the problem I have that leaves me stuck in the middle.
Sanctuary cities that flaunt immigration law are, while not just as bad, still bad. When Trump (lies) and says he only wants to target people here illegally who commit crimes, and a sanctuary city prevents law enforcement cooperation with ICE, that just adds to the narrative of felon illegal immigrants and then you have ICE going after those people at home and grabbing everyone around them as by catch. This only helps the Trump.
how is it also not a problem for people to violate immigration law
Because they don’t give a flying fuck about whether the people they’re disappearing have violated any laws or not.
They’ve disappeared citizens, they’ve disappeared people following the legal process to immigrate, without letting them finish, they’ve disappeared tourists who didn’t even have any intention to immigrate.
They’re fascists. They don’t care about the law. It’s just an excuse to do what they want. Marketing to attract gullible racist idiots to their cause.
But, even if that wasn’t enough, even if you don’t care about their real motives, even if you don’t care whether the law is good or not or how it’s applied, as I said in my previous answer they’re designing their new laws in such a way that it’s impossible for anyone not to violate them.
Even if you were to always carry your parents’ and grandparents’ birth certificates on you, what about your great grandparents?
Everyone in the USA is an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants! (Sure, some got there long enough ago that they were probably the first to arrive and can therefore be called natives, but they’re the wrong colour, so they don’t matter and will be disappeared anyway.)
Ironically, the only people who’ll be able to prove they’re in the country legally (not that it matters, since, as I said, the fascists don’t care) will be those with a green card, properly stamped foreign passport, or similar documents.
Making laws impossible to follow and then applying them arbitrarily to achieve their own goals and not the laws’ has been standard fascist fare since fascism was invented (and, before that, standard autocratic authoritarian fare).
Watching fascists do their thing and pointing at the law and saying that their victims deserved it or should have known better is disingenuous at best, almost certainly malicious, and definitely monstrous.
And I’ll finish with this:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Now, I’m not an American, I don’t care about American nationalism or pride, but this is what America, the USA, was supposed to be, what it was supposed to mean. A nation of immigrants, welcoming liberty seeking refugees to her shores. A beacon of freedom and democracy to which everyone could aspire.
Of course, it never really was that. But it was a nice thought.
Something is clear, though; anyone justifying the current government’s actions in the name of defending America, or American ideals or culture is either extremely ignorant or an hypocrite. And they’re most definitely un-American.
And I’ll finish with this
Ah, no, wait, sorry, there’s also this:
This is the problem I have that leaves me stuck in the middle.
There’s no middle ground with fascists.
You’re either actively against them, or you’re part of the problem.
Maybe you’re one of them, or just a useful hateful racist idiot aiding and abetting them while you wait for your turn to be disappeared for not being fascist enough, but if you’re not fighting against them you’re contributing to their crimes against humanity.
And if you’re just a useful idiot, bear this in mind:
You won’t appease them. They won’t stop. They won’t thank you. They won’t hesitate to treat you like any other undesirable (including many who believed themselves to be part of their group). You’ll end up like any other “illegal immigrant” when your turn comes.
And if they’re not stopped, rest assured, it will come.
You’re either actively against them, or you’re part of the problem.
I’ll take this whole section generously as a nebulous “you” and not you directly calling me either “one of them or a useful hateful racist”.
Two things can both be wrong, it’s not a zero sum game between open borders and fascist police states. Treating it as such caused the Democrats to lose some amount of support base, and did contribute to Trump getting reelected. The increase in Trump support from Hispanics and other immigrant groups was partially from resentment with treating illegal immigration as equivalent to legal immigration.
Yes, the poem on the Statue of Liberty is wonderful, and should still apply as the US is and should remain a nation of immigrants. That is not the same as having open borders for anyone and everyone, and it never has been.
To be honest, they are likely to use this against everyone they consider an enemy. Didn’t vote for Trump? Well, you’re not a citizen anymore. Get in the van.
Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?
They can’t even get their own story straight.
Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!
If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.
The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
This is literally how demons are in Frieren.
Now you are getting it.
I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.
I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).
Life begins at the moment of insertion.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.
Plenty of Latinos and black folks in ICE, but go off
You’ve never heard of race traitors before?
Or internalized racism if you want to be more polite
Normally I try to be polite, but it’s difficult when discussing the enforcement arm of a fascist regime.
Oh my sweet summer child
Useful idiots. There were jews with the Brownshirts too.
I’m curious what you think the significance of that is?
Good then after that they can deport Trump and his family into a volcano.
With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we’re their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren’t more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?
Their allies are white white supremacists who don’t consider you people and because Americans have a severe case of invertebrate-osis respectively.
Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.
Don’t forget the ultra rich, as much as the ultra rich would like you to forget them.
Because Americans are cowards
Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.
You’re going to have to because walking around with signs isn’t going to stop this.
What about a strongly worded sign with like eight bullet points?
But that won’t make people on the internet chuckle
Psh, you haven’t seen my signs!
Well, ask yourself. Why haven’t you done any of these things you’re asking.
Did you ask yourself why I would post those activities on a public forum first?
The courage of your convictions, a call to action for others, leading by example.
There are many reasons you might decide to.
Look, you seem to be Australian. If you’d like to join 50501 and dive from there I won’t stop you. But I get it. You are urging me because I am here. Believe me, there is preparation and movement, Portland is steeped in madness they are resisting so hard, we started late in all states, but its there. Far more than any socials, including Lemmy, show.
I’m not urging you to do shit, tbh.
But I’m tired of all the hand-wringing from people who are waiting for “someone else” to do something.
I’m sorry I didn’t realise you’ve already torched a dozen wasps nests I didn’t know about.
You dont even live here. Go hand wring about your laws that allowed Collective Shout to fuck adult games the planet over.
What the fucks your problem dude?
Fragile fuck.
Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while
Brb, downloading Duolingo just in case.
been DUO for a few years, I can read quite, but listening to people speaking at normal speed, I’m like a toddler walking into the middle of The Dude and Walter having a deep conversation
Deport Barron!
This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don’t require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
still require agriculture
Im talking about the ‘must always grow’ shit. Yes we still need food
immigrants
Fuck borders. Why? What’s the benefit of them to actual people? They’re just problems. Let people ho where they want.
people shouldn’t be alienated from their food
Agree.
fuck corporate (thing)
Agree
Let people ho where they want.
Preserving this amazing typo in case you decide to “fix” it.
Spotted it, decided not to.
Here’s a wacky idea: if Americans won’t do it, Americans don’t get to eat. Let’s see how long it takes for things to change…
So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.
Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.
Or physically can’t.
This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.
We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.
People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That’s what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.
I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.
You are very wrong. Maybe you have never travelled to third world countries. There are no opportunities in third world countries. That’s why now they will become more aggressive. Illegal immigration may appear to reduce but it will be insignificant. Because in western there is demand for cheap labour. And the third world people are willing to work for less.
This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It’s a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife’s edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It’s like they’re controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.
Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.
Robots will be mainstream soon. Humans won’t be needed.
Robots are great for situations that don’t require adaptations. Anything that requires novel choices will require humans for the foreseeable future.
AI will progress in that future.
Eventually, but quickly enough.
There will always be some who will get their thrills off abusing actual humans and not robots. Pedo types, like those names of power hiding in the Epstein files.
Not the stuff we have now. True AI is still a long way off.
Alternately: hollowing out our educational systems will diminish human capabilities in this realm
It’s a ten year race against China. Education won’t have much of an influence.
We’re gonna burn up the planet with energy use for AI before that happens
All that coal was created from trees, which are younger than sharks. Nature wasn’t burning then, will not be burning soon. Nature will survive, it’s the industrial farming that will be difficult.
I thought so too but with the warming trends we are experiencing at unprecedented rates the planet does not have time to adapt as well. We are now looking at a possible Venus scenario if this warming continues at this rate. If we look closely we are still increasing our load on the planet and thus increasing the speed of the cycle. Meaning all flora would not have the thousands of years to adapt to the warming as it has previously in earth’s history.
We may just kill every live thing on the entire planet because of our greed.
There are always algues and fish unless we go out of our way and poison the ocean.
But I can’t imagine that no plant will adapt or is already adapted. Some palm trees, some weed will survive.
Ah, the perfect reminder that people on Lemmy can be just as big of dipshits as people on reddit were.
Do you just not like AI or do you have a reason to believe that there won’t be significant progress?
Not OP but out current implementations of LLMs and similar models are just fundementally incapable of true reasoning, we can keep pumping money into them with diminishing returns but its never going to turn into AGI. Maybe not the best example but LLMs are like bronze, pretty good but no matter how much better you get at bronze working its just never going to allow for the things that could be done with more advanced metalurgy. Right now the big names are pouring money into bronze and no one is figuring out how to smelt iron.
By smelting bronze one learns about ores and sooner or later discovers iron ore.
The processes matter, the data, the teams.
Using imprecise terms like AI make it impossible to know. Do you mean than machine learning/neural networks can make robots adaptive enough to pick oranges and butcher chickens, or do you think LLMs are going to get “smart” enough to become AGI?
Both. Many resources are put into the former which inevitably will lead to somebody having an insight for the latter.
I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.
What’s his plan to release the Epstein files?
It sounds like he’s trying to recreate Epstein’s empire himself. Why else would they want to arrest babies?
You saw it already.
Get progressively more unhinged because people haven’t stopped asking for them?
As is now tradition.
This is the actual point
DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN
I think this is the game to watch…the epstien files will just be entertaining, Trump is doing all of this clutching pearls stuff over the EF to get a bunch of other stuff passed…they’ve had a bunch of time to doctor the EF . When finally released it will be a shell of actual facts, hell my bets on Greta thurnburg being a client.
But the Epstein files bro, release the list and we defeat facism bro, trust me he is there it doens matter that every one already knows , talk about the lost please bro trust me bro it’s not a complete waste of time trust me bro
Huh?
Idk this dude doesn’t want to arrest a pedo cabal for some reason
This gets my ‘I’m too scared to read’ award for the day
It’s pretty vile. I don’t blame you.
Read it and prepare to fight it. These cowards expect us to cower and hide. Resist.
I mean, so far that’s all you’ve been doing.
So what you hang out with fenrirlll? How long have you personally known him and how he comports his life?
Talking about Americans in general, not this guy personally. Who knows, maybe he’s thrown a few punches. I feel like we’d have heard about him if he had, though.
Why does he or anyone have to throw punches. Do you feel nonviolent protest is useless?
At this point? Absolutely. You seem to think you’re still dealing with Bush-era fascism.
Does not matter if its north korean fascism. I can’t stop you but dissuading one type of protest is not a good way to help another. There will be all kinds of protest and they do aid each other at the least by spreading out government forces. I did not protest during the bush era so it has to be this record breaking level to get the levels we saw with no kings and will see this weekend.
You are most correct. We can no longer look away from the atrocities and hope they stop. Today all decent folks must be soldiers for humanity Thank you comrade
And by soldier for humanity, you mean valiant protestor for representative democracy (the best kind)?
Let’s come together and use our words. Meeting violence with violence only breeds more violence. The only way to stop violence is to ask.
You had me in the first half, ngl
Thanks, most people seem incapable of catching on despite how ridiculous I’m having to get.
Yup, historically fascist regimes have only been stopped by people asking nicely.
Ask, “What about the Epstein Files?” as the first volley.
Really? These authors clearly need way better imagination cause it’s easily gonna get worse.
