Sounds like something someone pretending to be white would say.
Haha racism
Where? Since when is self-depreciating humor a bad thing?
Self deprecating humor is great. Racial stereotypes are not. Saying “all Asians are good at math” is also harmful, for example.
Are you feeling offended by the meme? Because I am not, and I appreciate the joke.
Reverse-racism is not a thing.
Nobody said reverse racism
What do you think racism is?
You’re weird, I stated a fact about what was said. If you’re so desperate for interaction, take it up with the person who said it.
Your statement was predicated on something you misunderstood. Hence the question: What do you think racism is?
Why not? Stereotypes are always harmful. How do you think an Asian kid feels when they suck at math but are told that’s not how they should be? How do you think a black kid fees when they don’t have a big dick but are told they should?
Stereotypes are not racism.
Well, that’s certainly a sentence.
“Overweight people are unhealthy”. Is that racist?
I hate AI because it’s replacing jobs (a.k.a, salaries) without us having a social safety net to make it painless.
We’ve replaced you with ai
-CEO
Ai replacing most of the jobs, and there isn’t enough open positions to be filled by the now unemployed.
-Ecconomists
I need food stamps, medical care, housing assistantance, and unemployment.
-Me
No! Get a job you lazy welfare queen!
-Politicians
Where? There aren’t any.
Not my problem! Now, excuse me while I funnel more money to my donors.
-The same politicians
The good news is, while automation like robot arms is continuing to replace humans, the AI aspect of it has been catastrophic and early adopters are often seen expressing remorse and reverting changes.
Do you know where I can read some accounts of this? I’m just interested in robotics.
It’s a masterclass in externalities: local communities face the consequences of the resource consumption by the data centers.
Job loss: were all told the “knowledge market” is where you deserve a good salary. AI threatens a lot of that work. Blue collar factory work will go as soon as AI can be properly integrated with nimble robotics that aren’t quite there yet. With how disgusting our society is (in the US) there will be no consideration for the people who can no longer find work.
Wealth built on theft and gambling: people like Altman become fabulously wealthy with a system that makes 0 profit and has been built off of the stolen works of millions of people.
Capacity to manipulate: we’ve had enough trouble with bad faith actors on the Internet with real people. Now we’re going to have an endless army of “intelligent” actors that will be weaponized against populations worldwide to secure the position of the ultra wealthy over all of our governments.
I didn’t before much, but now I REALLY don’t have a positive outlook on our future because of this…
Yet AI in the LLMs sucks dick, costs us way too much in global warming, and provides very little concrete value.
We need a revolution yesterday.
I think the job loss part is a capitalism problem, not just an AI problem.
If we automate work, the people should get the benefits of the automation, they shouldn’t have to be worried that they won’t have a job.
garbage account // garbage post ?
I dunno who’d ever want to use that font as an override for the default.
In any case, it’s brilliant satire.
It is definitely very American in its defaulting to racism as the core of its satire.
AI doesn’t exist. This is like asking an atheist why they hate god.
If you’re talking about LLMs and the like, they’re unpopular on Lemmy because tech people are over represented here and tech people understand how these technologies work and why all the hype isn’t just false, but malicious.
If artificial intelligence doesn’t exist explain Reddit.
Check mate Atheist.
Natural stupidity.
No sign of intelligence there.
Game, set and match… believer?
AI has existed for decades. The chessbot on Atari is an AI.
What doesn’t exist is AGI but that’s not synonymous with AI. Most people just don’t know the right terms here and bunch it all together as if it was all one thing.
If one is expecting a large language model designed to generate natural sounding language to be generally intelligent like an sci-fi AI assistant then no wonder they find it lacking. They’re expecting autonomous driving from a cruise control.
It’s not only tech people who “hate” AI.
— signed, half a tech person
Also not a tech person, but I am an artist. I used to consider going into digital art, but now I’m grateful I didn’t and instead have honed … I guess you can call it “manual” art? As a way to say things I make with my hands? Maybe “analog” or “traditional” art?
Point is, I haven’t seen an AI create a pencil drawing or an acrylic painting. I get the feeling that as people tire of AI generated images, they may find renewed interest in these distinctly human-made art forms. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see. For now, AI may try to steal forms and ideas, but picking up a pencil or a paintbrush and creating something on a canvas are still out of its reach (thank goodness.)
if ai doesn’t exist then who is playing against me when i set the other civilizations to ai in rise of nations
Oh, that’s me. Microsoft gave me backdoor access to your computer so I can play against you.
using linux doesn’t protect me when i still run microsoft games on it i guess. it’s poetic in a way.
I know you’re meming, but in Civilization (as in most games), you’re playing against predefined scripts and algorithmic rules that the computer opponent has, as well as having cheaper costs for resources than the user at higher difficulty levels - because it cannot compete with a skilled human player at that level (it literally cheats).
No LLM, no neural network, no deep learning… not ‘AI’ in the modern sense that’s being discussed here.
It’s not predefined though. The rules of the game are but not its actions. It observes the environment and changes its behavior based on that. That’s narrow intelligence and thus meeting the criteria of AI.
A chess player isn’t not-intelligent either just because it’s bound by the rules of the game.
It is absolutely predefined - if you make the same moves it will give you the same results, every time. Same as playing ChessMaster 2000 from 1986.
It may narrowly fit into the broad definition of ‘AI’ (like, since the 70s) but that’s not what’s being discussed in this thread.
Believe what you like though.
No, it’s not predefined - chess has about 10^120 possible games. That’s astronomically large number which is way too vast to pre-store or hardcode. It’s intelligence through computation, not a script.
Believe what you like though.
“Script” in a computer programming sense. An algorithm. So general behavior is most likely predefined. So not a script in a sense that it always does the same thing. This just means its behavior is most likely described using “if” statements. Eg. “If oponent did this, respond with that…” Algorithm can also “remember” some actions and act based on that. However the AI is most probably not activeley learning from your actions. It has all the knowledge predefined.
Some more advanced algorithms utilize some self learning principles. Buy this is very rare in games since this is resource intensive.
But even machine learning is not AI. Even LLM is not AI. But at least LLM became a synonym for AI in recent years.
Artificial Intelligence is the broad field of creating machines that can perform tasks requiring human-like intelligence, such as reasoning, learning, or perception. Machine Learning is a subset of AI where systems learn from data without explicit programming. Large Language Models are a specific type of ML model trained on vast text data to generate or understand language. LLMs are very much AI, and while they’ve popularized the term “AI” recently, the hierarchy stands: LLMs are ML, and ML is AI.
You mean a bunch of advertising and media companies that control and gatekeep the news are hyping something that’s making them trillions of dollars? That seems… so unbelievable!
Isn’t the “AI” boom making very little for the companies hawking it and making trillions for the hardware providers? I feel like it’s analogous to the people that sold shovels & pickaxes during the gold rush.
Today my boss asked me why Gemini suggested made up columns when he was trying to query our database. I just told him it also makes up fake tables.
This shit is half baked and really never should have been foisted on the public.
This shit has cost the investors untold money, and it was promised to revolutionize the world, so by golly it will, by force if it must.
It’s built on ‘slave’ labor, illegal use of content and additionally using unbelievable amounts of power so the environmental concerns go right out of the window at a time where we should do everything to not do that.
Also, AI, even if it’s the currently established term has absolutely nothing to do with neither intelligence nor sentience but is being sold as AGI (overpromised).
This has caused huge masses of investment to gather which will pop at some point, causing all of us massive issues due to the missteps of a few.
Is copying an mp3 slavery as well?
They are talking about ‘Mechanical Turks’ who step in when the LLM falters who are paid slave wages.
Nowhere regarding the mp3 codec (afaik, of course) there are masses of low wage workers required for data tagging for it to work. So no.
…additionally using unbelievable amounts of power so the environmental concerns go right out of the window at a time where we should do everything to not do that.
Don’t forget that the enormous energy usage is driving up energy costs for absolutely everyone.
Residential retail electricity prices in September were up 7.4%, to about 18 cents per kilowatt hour, according to the most recent data from the Energy Information Administration.
That’s on a national basis too. If you happen to live in an area with a lot of data centers, your energy costs have probably risen more than that.
Absolutely. That is by all means not an exhaustive list. The shit pile is much higher than that and I regularly forget half of it.
Oh yeah and long term it will cause a massive issue in the workforce since now the junior positions are basically removed and supposedly replaced by AI and at some point we’ll run out of experienced people.
For this the tech pros envision and sell the upcoming AGI which will never arrive though based on this technology as every expert will currently confirm.
Hate not so much for AI in and of itself, my ire is the resource use for one. We were already draining aquifers that took thousands of years to fill and now we’re burning even more for datacenters (DCs).
To top it off, America’s western deserts are the best place for DCs. No natural disasters, stable and predictable weather, tectonically inactive. Every time I’ve had to pick a primary or backup DC, I’d hit one in Las Vegas or somewhere out west. (This experience was pre-AI.)
These DCs are burning power and causing higher bills to consumers, which is just fucking obscene. States should legislate that DCs have to bring at least some of their own, dedicated renewables, and pay a premium to the power company for the extra stress and maintenance on the grid. These costs should not touch customers, residential or business.
Maybe even worse is the economic aspect. Have a look at the current Buffett Index, the ratio of the total United States stock market to GDP. We topped 200% for the first time, ever. For comparison, the Great Depression and Great Recession were around 120-130%. This “extra” stock market valuation is all due to AI speculation.
So for all the other whining lemmy does about AI, it’s the ecosystem and economic disasters it’s creating that we’ll all remember when the bubble pops.
Why do you keep making and deleting so many accounts?
If you kept the same one, a lot of people would block you and stop down votng every post you make from a new account
Block all Bots
We should program bots to feel pain when they get blocked.
Depends on what you classify as AI anymore
I work with Video Editing software and you could argue that a lot of features on softwares like Davinci, Capcut, Premiere all use different helpful tools that could or could not be AI, Artificial Intelligence existed long before companies slapped the term into every product. Nowadays even TVs have “AI” processors which is just a fancy way of saying just a CPU.
I do believe it still should be an Open source tool that we can use for good, for example helping fighting against cancer but knowing we live in such a planet it will be used for worse rather than good and it depends on who trains it and for what purpose because we train AI.
I do care about Art like Movies, Books and the Movie industry so far seems to be the only one who fights against AI being used as lazy work, there are possibly Video Games that use AI text to speech for NPCs or something but there are a lot of directors who speak passionatelly against it which is good to see.
At the end of the day it’s a tool and it will depend on how we use it. We can use it to do good things, but also drive more people out of jobs and helping with endless wars, I have a feeling the latter will be true but we’ll see.
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Mostly for all the AI haters who can’t stop bringing up their hatred of AI. Insufferable.
I don’t hate it, but my personal experience has been that it’s not reliable enough to depend on. I don’t like that it’s being pushed on us so hard when it will routinely let us down.
I don’t hate AI, LLMs are incredibly powerful tools that have an incredibly wide range of uses. The technology itself is something that’s very exciting and promising.
What I do hate is how they’re being used by large corporations. A small handful of big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, OpenAI, etc) decided to take this technology and pursue it in the greediest ways possible:
- They took open source code, built on top of it, and closed it off so they could sell it
- They scrapped all the data on the internet without consent and used it to train their models
- They made their models generate stuff based on copyrighted works without permission or giving credit. thus basically stealing the content
- But that wasn’t enough for them so they decided to train their models on every interaction you have with their LLM services, so all your private conversations are stored and recycled even if they’re private
- They use the data from the conversations that you’ve had with the chatbots to build customer profiles about you that they sell to advertisers so they could send you hoards of personalized ads
- They started integrating their LLMs into their other products as much as they could so they could artificially increase their stock prices
- They aggressively campaign for other companies to buy and integrate their models so both parties could artificially increase their stock prices
- In order to meet their artificially induced demand, they sucking the life out of the electricity grid, which is screwing over everybody else
- They’re also taking over the hardware industry and killing off consumer electronics since its more profitable for manufacturers to sell AI companies than to consumers
- They’re openly bribing, lobbying, and campaigning governments to give them grants, tax breaks, and keep regulations at a minimum so they could do whatever they want and have society pay for the privilege
- They’re using these LLMs to cut as many jobs as possible so they could penny pinch just a little more, hence the massive waves of recent layoffs recently. This is being done even if the LLM replacement is far worse in performance than humans.
- All of this is being done with zero regard to the environmental damage caused by them with their monstrous data centers and electricity consumption
- All of this is being done with zero regard to the harmful impacts caused to people and society. These LLMs frequently lie and spread misinformation, they feed into delusions and bad habits of mentally unwell people, and they’re causing great damage to schools since students could use these models to easily cheat and nothing can be done about it
When put all of this together, then it’s easy to understand why people hate AI. This is what people oppose, and rightfully so. These corporations created a massive bubble and put our economy at risk of a major recession, they’re destabilizing our infrastructure, destroying our environment, they’re corrupting our government, they’re forcing tens of thousands of people into dire financial situations by laying them off, they’re eroding our privacy and rights, and they’re harming our mental health… and for what? I’ll tell you, all of this is done so a few greedy billionaires could squeeze a few more dollars so they could buy their 5th yacht, 9th private jet, or 7th McMansion. Fuck them all.
When people say “I fucking hate AI”, 99% of the time they mean “I fucking hate AI™©®”. They don’t mean the technology behind it.
To add to your good points, I’m a CS grad that studied neural networks and machine learning years back, and every time I read some idiot claiming something like “this scientific breakthrough has got scientists wondering if we’re on the cusp of creating a new species of superintelligence” or “90% of jobs will be obsolete in five years” it annoys me because its not real, and it’s always someone selling something. Today’s AI is the same tech they’ve been working on for 30+ years and incrementally building upon, but as Moore’s Law has marched on we now have storage pools and computing power to run very advanced models and networks. There is no magic breakthrough, just hype.
The recent advancements are all driven by the $1500 billion spent on grabbing as many resources they could - all because some idiots convinced them it’s the next gold rush. What has that $1500 bil got us? Machines that can answer general questions correctly around 40% of the time, plagiarize art for memes, create shallow corporate content that nobody wants, and write some half-decent code cobbled together from StackOverflow and public GitHub repos.
What a fucking waste of resources.
What’s real is the social impacts, the educational impacts, the environmental impacts, the effect on artists and others who have had their work stolen for training, the useability of the Internet (search is fucked now), and what will be very real soon is the global recession/depression it causes as businesses realize more and more that it’s not worth the cost to implement or maintain (in all but very few scenarios).
I’m really split with it. I’m not a 10x “rockstar” <insert modern buzzword> programmer, but I’m a good programmer. I’ve always worked at small companies with small teams. I can figure out how to parse requirements, choose libraries/architecture/patterns, and develop apps that work.
Using Copilot has sped my work up by a huge amount. I do have 10 YoE before Copilot existed. I can use it to help write good code much faster. It may not be perfect, but it wouldn’t have been perfect without it. The thing is I have enough experience to know when it is leading me down the wrong path, and that still happens pretty often. What it helps with is implementing common patterns, especially with common libraries. It basically automates the “google the library docs/stackoverflow and use code there as a starting point” aspect of programming. (edit: it also helps a lot with logging, writing tests, and rewriting existing code as long as it isn’t too whacky, and even then you really need to understand the existing code to avoid a mess of bugs)
But yeah search is completely fucked now. I don’t know for sure but I would guess stackoverflow use is way down. It does feel like many people are being pigeonholed into using the LLM tools because they are the only things that sort of work. There’s also the vibe coding phenomenon where people without experience will just YOLO out pure tech debt, especially with the latest and greatest languages/libraries/etc where the LLMs don’t work very well because there isn’t enough data.
LLMs are an okay’ish tool if your code style is not veering from what 99% of the open-sourced codebase looks like. Use any fringe concept in a language (for example, treat errors as values in languages ridden with exceptions, use functional concepts in an OOP language) and you will have problems.
Also, this crap tends to be an automated copy-paste. Which is especially bad when it skips on abstracting away a concept you would notice if you were to write the code yourself.
Source: own experience 😄
Totally agree. In my day to day work, I’m not dealing with anything groundbreaking. Everything I want/need to code has already been done.
if you have a Copilot license and are using the newest Visual Studio, it enables the agentic capabilities by default. It will actually write the code into your files directly. I have not done that and will not do that. I want to see and understand what it is trying to do.
That’s an exceptional pasta - well-worded!
Do you mind if I steal it?
Go right ahead
I think it’s interesting, that they can steal all this stuff and yet be unable to figure out how to sell it.
All the money, all the data, all the energy, all the computer power, all the political control. And yet, they can’t manage to sell a single dollar worth of their product.
Of course it’ll be shittified by commericals in and out of the content, and of course that will lead to paid models, but it’s not going to be very profitable, because nobody _really _needs bad intelligence. “Oh, it costs something? No thanks then, we already have intelligence at home.”
Yes yes, the users are the product, yes, but who then is buying that user data? Commercials and stuff yeah yeah, but at what point does any of this manifest itself as a single fucking sales transaction where a real person pays a company for a real product? Fucking never.
The whole thing is worthless.
they can’t manage to sell a single dollar worth of their product.
Ohh don’t worry, that’s not how this works :)
We’re still in the venture capital stage. The companies are circle-jerking, paying each other off with venture funds and stock splits. They don’t need to be making money at this point because they’re already getting everything they ask for.
Those $50-$200 packages from all the big companies are just there to get people used to the idea. They’re making all their money on selling each other useless support chatbots and horrible phone systems claiming they can reduce their staff by half. Well, they could always reduce their staff by half, customers have had to deal with shitty wait times for years.
You’ll pay for AI by the prices of your software rising. Those costs are absorbed and passed on to you as micro-transactions inside your actual subscriptions and payments.
Once they managed to get the AI intertwined in every system out there, they’re free to collude as a market and raise prices slowly. AI will be the cost of software inflation and hardware shortages that make anyone with a datacenter or enterprise hardware manufacturing capacity very, very rich.
It could even be that in the end, this isn’t a bubble, it’s just a grift and it never pops, but because so expensive that your average person can barely eat if they expect to use software tools for their work.
Why are we asking loaded questions as a first post in a new account?
Are you?
It’s a fair question to ask, given the situation with new accounts.
Does this not look suspicious to you?
