• HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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    11 months ago

    They really should have come out with a local llm poduct seperate from firefox that is compatible with using it out of box.

    • Alaknár@piefed.socialEnglish
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      11 months ago

      They already said as much two or three months ago, but sure, believe that everybody is out to get you via forced AI.

    • Sailor Anarres@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Maybe but I although critical of some recent firefox actions think its possible given the og statement it is a clarification from a somewhat vague statement that was taken in the worst possible way by some and posted again and again often by people not even reading beyond the headline.

    • Feyd@programming.dev
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      11 months ago

      I dunno that seems very compatible with the following that was said in the CEO statement.

      AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.

      Also here is a link to the posts https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782

      Also, the dev says the following and I think they have a point.

      I’m not asking for faith in our direction - the thing I love about the Firefox community is how open, honest, and technical it is.

      But I do ask that you don’t have the opposite of faith. Like, try not to be determined that we’re going to do the wrong thing here.

      • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
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        11 months ago

        try not to be determined that we’re going to do the wrong thing here.

        There’s a lot Mozilla has done right, but there’s a lot they haven’t done right as well. These days, the cynical view has proven itself to be more reliable in general, so it’s hard not to apply it here as well.

        That being said, FF has supported AI chatbots for a while and I haven’t seen it come up once in my browser beyond when they said “this is a thing now”. But this has also been a good opportunity to explore alternatives, so I’m trying out Zen now (ff-based still).

      • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Something easily turned off is distinctly not opt in. They’re still lying to everyone.

        Earlier today I found a fucking AI feature automatically turned on… Those idiots need to get their shit straight and fast if they want to remain relevant.

  • BurgerBaron@piefed.socialEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Yeah. I’m still pissed off dev hours get wasted on this shit instead of, idk, HDR support? Persistent pinned tabs? Surround sound audio?

  • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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    11 months ago

    They say a switch will be built in. There is no switch yet. Which means the deluge of little popups about AI tab grouping and the “look at Perplexity” messages are not going away until these changes are actually released.

    • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      11 months ago

      the killswitch is in about:config

      browser.ml.enable
browser.ml.chat.enabled
browser.ml.chat.menu
browser.ml.chat.page
browser.ml.chat.page.footerBadge
browser.ml.chat.page.menuBadge
browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled
browser.ml.pageAssist.enabled
browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled
browser.tabs.groups.smart.userEnabled
extensions.ml.enabled
browser.search.visualSearch.featureGate
      • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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        11 months ago

        That’s… Not really a switch. If somebody has to go to a secret place, get past a warning sign, and type in a half dozen secret commands… it sounds more like an espionage movie than the flipping of a switch.

        And people have already complained that some of those flags don’t affect newer ones, which Mozilla keeps adding. We might as well say Microsoft has a setting to turn off telemetry, never mind it’s also hidden and it also keeps getting switched back on.

      • Dave.@aussie.zone
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        11 months ago

        the killswitch is in about:config

        Ah yes, the easiest place to put a kill switch for the average user, as opposed to the complexity of a toggle in settings.

        • tempest@lemmy.ca
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          11 months ago

          People on Lemmy will hate to hear this but the average user wants AI integrations.

          That’s the main problem Firefox has. They are trying to appeal to a wide audience but their core users would never let them do anything that might do that. Then the core users sit there and wonder why Mozilla struggles and demand they work exclusively on the browser, an endeavor well known to not be profitable.

          The average user doesn’t give a shit about privacy either as evidenced by the state of the current Internet.

          • hanrahan@piefed.socialEnglish
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            11 months ago

            The average user doesn’t give a shit about privacy either as evidenced by the state of the current Internet.

            Indeed but 0% of them are using Firefox. That battles been lost

          • IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            11 months ago

            The discourse on lemmy about this Firefox change is wild to me.

            In real life AI is the default in every setting already. The vast majority of people use AI in their day to day lives in some capacity, even if it’s just to ask chatgpt something dumb.

            Your browser not having tight integration with AI immediately puts it out of the race for most people. It’s an expected feature when choosing a browser.

            Firefox is making the most logical choice to stay relevant in the modern browser market. AI is legitimately something people, lay people want.

            I don’t like AI myself, but I’m not sitting here being blind to the reality of the world around me where AI is an extremely important feature for many users.

            I’ve never felt such a strong echo chamber effect than when I saw this discourse.

          • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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            11 months ago

            First, citation needed on these people who want AI. People on LinkedIn will hate to hear this, but I don’t think the average user does.

            Second, I don’t understand your point. Do you actually believe the average user would feel compelled to switch to Firefox? Why? Instead, Mozilla is taking aim at their current users.

              • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
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                11 months ago

                It sucks specifically because the megacorps want to make the AI look better than it is and because they want to keep people on search results pages…

                The shittyness is a feature to these vultures.

              • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
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                11 months ago

                Search sucks, so they’re using LLMs?

                That really explains a lot about the current state of the world, to be honest.

  • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Oh great, another item to waste my time checking when installing Firefox… Already takes near an hour to configure Firefox each time… Now have to watch out for the day they let the rest of that AI camel in the tent.

    *Installs LibreWolf, stays sane*