Guys what about China?? Guys OK my country does bad shir but what about Iran guys??? Guys??? What about Hamas guys?? Saddam had nukes guys don’t forget about the tankies??? It’s like feminizm maybe the pendulum is swinging too far the other side guys???
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The title of the next hit light novel.
The Alternian Trolls from Homestuck prepared me for this reality
Looks like CIA didn’t approve of the copy pasta
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Just pick up a copy of Howard Zinn’s “People’s History”.
Oh, don’t pass the buck with that “just read the book” BS. Summarize the book please.
America bad.
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A People’s History of the United States is a 1980 nonfiction book (updated in 2003) by American historian and political scientist Howard Zinn. In the book, Zinn presented what he considered to be a different side of history from the more traditional “fundamental nationalist glorification of country”. Zinn portrays a side of American history that can largely be seen as the exploitation and manipulation of the majority by rigged systems that hugely favor a small aggregate of elite rulers from across the orthodox political parties.
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Sorry to hear it, buddy. You’re missing a lot of quality memes.
Audiobooks are not hard to find
Sad there is no mention of warm water ports
Or warm water sports
This goes okayish to “we didn’t start the fire”
That’s fucking hilarious
That looks like emacs spook output
That is the joke, yes.
This but unironically? lol the US is bad. do china next!
But I think most MLs would assume everyone already knows this and would instead want to argue about whether the bad things china does are actually “imperialist,” technically.
IDK maybe this is an accurate depiction of some kind of rabid sinophile…I haven’t had the joy of meeting any.
lol the US is bad. do china next!
That’s sort of the joke. The OG Tienanmen Square copypasta was supposed to be something you’d post under a pro-China guy, listing all the Chinese atrocities in a mix of English and Mandarin, supposedly in order to get the person in trouble because everything in it was a banned word or phrase under Chinese internet laws.
MLs would assume everyone already knows this
Some of them are pretty deep cuts. I don’t know too many people who could tell you about Ax Handle Saturday or the Columbine Mine massacre
Also, some of it is very obviously padding. Scott Warren is the keyboardist from Dio. Jade Helm was a conspiracy theory propagated by Texas Republicans. 21 Savage is a British Rapper. Net Neutrality is a liberal regulatory policy about ISPs not favoring backbone internet speeds for bigger customers.
But if you go to the original copypasta, you see a bunch of the same mixed in banal gibberish. Subsequent iterations get even more obscure and deranged.
Joke went way over my head; thanks for the context!
Westerners feel that way when the propaganda/ideology is threatened. They also often have issues not thinking in all or nothing terms, so they need these dichotomies.
Seeing from the heavily upvoted comments removed by the mods, this ain’t changing anytime soon, lol.
Isn’t what you’re bring “all or nothing” anyway. US is bad, so China is good is just another black and white world view. Both can be bad. Both can be engaged in propaganda.
Both bad is still a black and white world view.
No, it’s a summary. You can try to quantify individual acts and weight them against each other, but people aren’t going to agree about values and even if you could really figure out which one is worse, you wont achieve anything. It’s dark gray vs dark gray and your eyes aren’t good enough to differentiate between the two. I do know enough to not swear fealty to either country.
If you legitimately think the two are indistinguishable you’ve abandoned nuance of any kind. Talk to me when China is bombing children in an illegal war of aggression so that their fascist vassal can continue a genocide unchallenged.
Only if you don’t think China drove over their own citizens in 1989. Why do you think any of these countries are being honest about themselves? What’s in it for them to be honest about their past actions, current actions or plans for the future? They’re not your friends.
Ever notice how the “West’s” opinion on China softened with the rise of Tiktok or when Hollywood started chasing the Yuan?
Why do you assume I think they’re being honest? I don’t spare China from critique. However, that critique has to be grounded in provable fact not hearsay. If you want to imagine a China that is capable of hiding atrocities that are in any way equivalent to the crimes against humanity committed by the US, then you’re just a conspiratorial nut job. Feel free to insinuate that TikTok or capture of Hollywood is part of some diabolical Chinese influence campaign. However that just means you’re as much of reactionary xenophobe as MAGA.
The problem US elite had with TikTok wasn’t that it was owned by Bytedance. It was that its moderation system didn’t censor discussions about Israeli’s ongoing genocide. However, thanks to gullible conspiracists like you, a Zionist billionaire has taken over. Now TikTok is actually being used to suppress information about crimes against humanity. However those crimes aren’t committed by China, but rather the US and Israel. The difference here is that I don’t have to rely on baseless lies and insinuation to justify my worldview.
What a shallow thought process you have.
China: persues peaceful reunification with Taiwan
The West: “LOOK!!! THEY’RE LIKE US! WORSE THAN US!!!” invades nation illegally
Okay, buddy.
Alright, Winnie The Pooh’s anal pinworm.
“I already decided you’re wrong, but I can’t argue with facts, so I’ll insult you instead. I rest my case.”
The person they’re arguing with linked a state owned Chinese tabloid as evidence for their points. I don’t blame for not engaging.
I’m the person they’re arguing with, and no I didn’t? I didn’t link anything, I wouldn’t even know where to find a Chinese tabloid and I’ve never read one!
Again, can you elaborate? I think you’re replying to the wrong comment, harambe69 hasn’t been arguing with anyone, they just posted a somewhat racist comment and left. What “state-owned tabloid” has anyone linked that discredits them entirely?
“”““peaceful””“” with a country that wants independence.
Yes, that’s right. The Chinese Civil War never ended, the KMT and the CPC never signed a peace treaty. The fighting stopped because there was no way to take back control of Taiwan without high casualties - on both sides. Since then, the CPC have been committed to taking back control of Taiwan peacefully. At the moment, the people of Taiwan continue to support independence - but also the One China Policy, which recognizes that there is only One China. The CPC wants to re-unify, but rather than doing that by force, they just maintain their position and encourage peaceful reunification. But there are still moments of tension, of course, each tests the responses of the other, the limits of their radar, and so on. But people aren’t dying.
By contrast, the US is carpet bombing Iran, at the behest of Israel, because Iran threatens Israel’s lebensraum ambitions to turn the Middle East into Greater Israel. You really believe China is still as bad as the US? Seriously??
bro, they have said over and over they want to invade, and the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
They’ve actually said the opposite, again and again, that they want peaceful reunification. They haven’t ruled out force, because they’re a sovereign state, and a sovereign state never renounces their ability to use force over the territory they claim. The opposite side does the exact same thing for the rest of China, too.
the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
That’s great! Then they can and should remain peacefully independent, but if that ever changes in the future, then perhaps they can re-unite, assuming that the CPC remains open to re-unification at that point.
“”“a country”“” here meaning about 5% of the people in a country.
100% of the people in a country with everything you would expect a country to have and a strong Taiwanese national identity.
There is no ‘Taiwanese national identity.’ The KMT eradicated what was left of the native Taiwanese population (to be fair that genocide was started by Japan, like nearly all genocides in East Asia). There are no native ‘taiwanese’ left, just primarily han chinese that invaded, eradicated the native population during a civil war, and declared themselves the last bastion of China.
100% of the people in a country
Citation really fucking needed lmao.
Peaceful?
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Tankie like you: ALL WEST BAD, ONLY CHINA GOOD AND EVERY VALID CRITICISM IS WESTERN PROPAGANDA.
Okay, buddy.
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist
Perhaps
and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Really? Sources please.
You don’t have to be a tankie to recognize that they are enforcing international law. In that context of a civil war their actions are uncharacteristically peaceful.
“ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A TANKIE!!!”
I’m not a Tankie, and you can check through my entire comment history to easily confirm that. I just can’t help but notice that people have been saying “China is about to attack Taiwan any day now” for years and it never comes. Maybe they’re just not as bad as us?
The fact you think china is pursuing peaceful unification kind of outs you. They are not giving Taiwan a choice; comply or face death.
Also I want all nations to behave better, especially Israel and the US right now. I don’t generally think China is bad and the people certainly are not, but bad actions should be called out and criticized regardless of who you are. That’s how we become better people.
Israel: does a genocide
China: flies a plane near a country they’ve been at war with for over 70 years
Liberals: “hmm yes these seem about the same to me”
Maybe ALL imperialism is war.
Fucking first worlders, they don’t seem to understand that countries want to be left alone seemingly.
Maybe ALL imperialism is war.
That isn’t even true. Imperialism is often spread through soft power. I thought that was the entire point you were making, that China was exerting soft power in an imperialist manner… if China invades Taiwan, I will be right there with you, calling it out, but history has shown that the CPC is quite restrained, and I see no reason for them to change their approach.
Who said anything about being the same? Israel is the worst offender in the world.
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan in case Taiwan doesn’t agree to become part of China. Doesn’t seem like they’d need that sort of thing if they were being truly peaceful.
It’s also things like your analysis being “flies a plane near a country” that is a sign you aren’t being adequately critical of china and I question your seriousness and reasons.
I mean, seriously, look at this map and tell me how you consider this “peaceful”:
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan
Yes, a backup plan for a potential case of Taiwan being used as a static US aircraft carrier against it in a war. You remember that they’re still at war, right? No peace treaty was ever signed between the KMT and the CPC.
Look at your own source:
Shortly after U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s arrival in Taipei, China announced plans to hold live-fire drills
It’s almost as if the drills are a response to something other than just Taipei not yet being willing to re-unify.
I also note that the bright red symbols on the mark connote a sense of urgency and yet this is from 2022. Obviously the invasion must be happening any day now…
The map also references other drills from 1995-1996 which I note are denoted as “Third Taiwan Strait Crisis”… If they were at 3 crises by 1996, I can’t imagine how many crises we’ve had since, considering liberals have been unable to shut the fuck up about this for decades.
Please, calm down, you are being reactionary.
Right. Reactionary. That must be why china is requiring that all civilian ferries are capable of RORO of tank sized vehicles and why they’re building massive landing barges capable of handling landing on Taiwan’s rocky coasts.
Taiwan has every right to be concerned with an invasion because it’s what china keeps saying.
So, no, you don’t get to wave your propaganda wand and make a very real issue go away.
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan,
Yeah, they’ve been planning to invade next week for decades now…
I mean, they literally are planning for an invasion. Whether they will is up for debate, but they’re definitely designing their naval fleet for it and performing exercises simulationing an invasion.
People have been saying that about Russia for many years until it happened.
Unlike Trump, most leaders aren’t rushing into things. They wait until conditions are favourable, and there are an incredible number of conditions to take into account for operations like this.
Other people wrongly believed that Russia, despite having already invaded Ukraine in 2014, that Russia would not invade Ukraine again, for some reason. I am not those people. I am pointing out to you that they have had those favorable conditions already, a number of times, and no invasion ever came. If you want to believe that they just have just one more condition to take into account before invading Taiwan, you have the right to believe that.
But the United States is far worse, and that was my entire point. I don’t want to defend China. Fuck China. But the US has done imperialism for centuries at this point
peaceful reunification
This is top tier trolling, I can’t XD
From the Associated Press:
Taiwan’s opposition leader met Friday with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Beijing’s Great Hall of the People, the first such encounter in over a decade, with both sides affirming the need for maintaining peace around the self-ruled island that China claims as its territory.
Both Xi and Cheng Li-wun, the head of the Beijing-friendly Kuomingtang Party, reiterated they wanted to move toward a peaceful reunification of Taiwan and the mainland, though it remains unclear how they would achieve it. China hasn’t ruled out the use of force and has stepped up its military exercises around Taiwan, sending warships and fighter jets closer toward the island and steadily poaching Taiwan’s few remaining diplomatic allies.
Xi welcomed Cheng and her party’s representatives in the Great Hall of the People, where he usually meets world leaders, to a round of applause from both sides. “The larger trend of compatriots on both sides of the strait walking nearer, closer, and together will not change. This is a historical necessity. We have full confidence in this,” he said.
“Although people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait live under different systems, we will respect each other and move towards each other,” Cheng said, adding: “We will seek systemic solutions to prevent and avoid war.”
This is just the reality on the ground. Neither party wants war. The PRC reserves the right to millitant reunification, but is currently working towards peaceful reunification and simply waiting it out, until Taiwan wants it. The PRC has the luxury of time, here, as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically. Until then, the people of Taiwan want the status quo, and the PRC is fine to wait it out and continue to push for dialogue.
First off it’s the opposition leader, not the president, who is vocal about Taiwan remaining sovereign. Second, if I threaten someone with annihilation, and they say “hey we can negotiate peacefully,” and I say sure I’ll negotiate but (in that article) “war is not off the table,” I as the person threatening them with annihilation am not being peaceful here.
The president of Taiwan was elected with a minority of votes because the two opposition parties that support closer relations with the PRC could not agree on a joint candidate to run. In the Taiwanese legislature the KMT actually holds more seats than the president’s party.
Also the PRC is not threatening Taiwan with annihilation. That’s just absurd. The PRC’s position is that it doesn’t want foreign countries interfering in Chinese political matters. If you didn’t know already, the US intervened in the Chinese civil war in order to defend a fascist dictator and has continued to give the RoC military support ever since. The PRC keeps the military option open as a deterrent against further US intervention not because it’s planning to invade.
China has literally stated “we want to merge peacefully but war is not off the table.” Taiwan has said “we want to maintain the status quo.” https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/over-80-of-taiwanese-favour-maintaining-status-quo-with-china-survey-124022400130_1.html
Annihilation is maybe the wrong word, but they risk an unwinnable war against the highest population country. They have 0 chance if China decides to strike, and China is likely kept at bay from other countries “interference.” China doesn’t want to destroy Taiwan, it just wants them to rejoin, and will threaten war if they do not comply.
Liberals like you will condemn China for pursuing peaceful reunification and then cheer on Ukraine as it bombed civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk after they declared independence. Peace is war and war is peace I guess. You’re probably happy to admit that Russia violated Ukrainian sovereignty by intervening military in what was essentially a civil war. However when the US does the same exact thing you pretend it’s actually about protecting Taiwanese self determination? How gullible are you?
Taiwan is governed by the remnants of the former Chinese government, back when they were nationalists. Chiang Kai-Shek and his group fled to Taiwan, murdered the local opposition, and claimed they were still the legitimate government of all of China. The question isn’t if Taiwan is a part of China, but which government is legitimate.
Over time, this has been complicated by the US Empire using Taiwan as a forward operating base. Some want a clean break, some want further integration, but now the majority want the status quo. What is deeply unpopular is war. Taiwan does not want to become Ukraine 2, they do not want the US Empire to provoke a hot war just to damage China at the expense of Taiwanese people.
The CPC in all of this knows that the US Empire is failing, and that Taiwan will be increasingly pressured economically towards reintegration. All they need to do is wait, and they get what they want without firing a shot.
None of this is false but that doesn’t mean China isn’t threatening military action and waiting for their chance to strike. Being peaceful with the threat of force is not the same as just being peaceful, if a mobster says “pay me off if you don’t want any trouble” they’re not peacefully negotiating. To be honest I’m surprised they haven’t taken more action against Taiwan, when trump would probably say “it’s their country, it’s their territory, its rightfully theirs.”
Both governments consider themselves the legitimate governments of China, which includes Taiwan. Wanting to become an independent country entirely is a minority opinion in Taiwan. As such, the PRC as a sovereign nation of course will reserve the right to retake its own territory by force. It isn’t at all surprising that they haven’t taken more direct millitant action against Taiwan, though, for precisely the reasons I have said: they are willing to wait until Taiwan chooses to reunify. They gain nothing by striking Taiwan to take it by force, when they can just maintain the status quo until it works out in their favor.
The reason it’s surprising to you is that you have the assumption that the PRC feels compelled to strike. This is something constantly fearmongered about by the west, but doesn’t actually hold water. By all measures, events seem to be moving in the exact direction the PRC predicts they will, which would make it a mistake to strike Taiwan.
That’s surprising they would wait when almost all Taiwanese people do not want to rejoin China. https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/over-80-of-taiwanese-favour-maintaining-status-quo-with-china-survey-124022400130_1.html
This seems to support the idea that they are afraid China will take military action against them. Even this article states that the reason many do not want an independent country is for fear of retaliation by China.
I suppose we’ll see if you’re right about China not attacking Taiwan, and I have friends there so I really do hope you’re right.
as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically.
Taiwan has TSMC, they don’t need China.
You can’t pin your entire economy on a single company in a single sector, especially when your performance isn’t certified forever.
I literally said this to a tankie on here once, and they responded “Yes, unironically.”
They’re right
I think imperialism is bad :/
I’m sure you do
Actually worse
Totalitarianism is a term that was explicitly used to flatten any differences between socialist states and fascist ones. It’s not a particularly useful term if you want to actually interrogate how these states operated.
It’s beyond me how after seeing the past years of overt Zionist propaganda denying genocide in most western media, anyone here is still willing to listen to western media on international affairs. Like, haven’t you seen them take the mask off already? How are you trusting BBC’s reporting on China?
I don’t get why you’re getting down voted.
Because people need to believe that the racist propaganda they’ve been fed is correct and that their country is still the best and most moral in the world
Because they don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world. Capitalism abhors critical thinking in the general populace and requires an unintelligent, unquestioning populace to continue to exist.
What an absurd statement. “They don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world”. Are you insane?
My dude half the west believes there’s such a thing as a ‘uyghur genocide,’ half believe Israel has ever been a victim, and most still believe China is somehow a dictatorship despite that being an ancient CIA psyop.
There is no evidence a single person in the west has ever been taught critical thought, how to research claims, or that their government can lie through third parties that they’ve paid.
Just pathetic. Seek help with your xenophobic nonsense.
‘Xenophobic’ my guy a culture of ignorance deserves to be criticized.
Didn’t realize you had a monopoly on intelligence 😁
Got any other blanket statements about “the west”? Should people start making the same comments about your people?
Fuck them both.
How? The US is literally invading Iran as we speak and China is the main country supporting Iran’s right to self defense
Yeah instead of genociding people in other countries they genocide people in their country
Source: the same national news stations that have been denying the Palestinian genocide by Isntreal for the past 3 years. They’ve literally taken off the mask, how do you still believe their propaganda?
We literally have leaked internal files of the genocide yet you’re here acting like the only “source” we have is just a couple of news stations that you don’t like.
Get your head out of your ass just for a couple of moments you disgusting fucking creature.
You are a fucking joke
“LoOk, AdRiAn ZeNz ClAiMs ItS a GeNoCiDe”
If you gave one single flying fuck about the Uyghur, you’d know that the reeducation schools closed years ago and you wouldn’t be propagating CIA propaganda for free on the internet.
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
Holy hell you’re like a fucking creationist. How funny that you just happened to omit the next few sentences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz#CriticismThe Sky News article you shared doesn’t shed your favorite country in the best light either. Maybe try reading it next time?
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
So because I criticize China, I suddenly am on the US’s team and can’t criticize them anymore? Is that how this works dipshit?Zenz’ work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart:
Zenz is a professional propagandist, known for manipulating or falsely representing data, and outright fabricating data to suit his needs. The US Empire spends billions on discrediting China through any means they can. Trusting Zenz and data that comes exclusively from Zenz is not a reliable measure. Further, the Arab League visited China, and found no evidence backing claims of genocide.
I must have had close to 50 tankies request that I say something about Palestine. Is that the only atrocity against Muslims that they care about? Do they condemn a wide range of rights violation anywhere, anytime they happen? I research western China’s ethnic minorities.
Instead of accusing others of the equivalent to creationism, why not instead question the actual christofascist you seem to have absolute faith in providing totally real evidence? Zenz claims he is on a mission from God to punish China. Instead, why not read the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz.
His “research” consists of conflating a reeducation campaign in the context of ISIS-related terrorism with genocide through mistranslation, cherrypicking and bad faith, and the argument is “the birthrates dropped so it’s genocide”. Birthrates dropped because Uyghur used to be exempt from the single-child policy (as all minority ethnicities in China) and when Xinjiang started developing at fast pace in the past decades, birthrates dropped dramatically.
If you really think a CIA asset cannot take public documents in Chinese and misinterpret and twist them enough with the purpose of manufacturing antichinese propaganda, idk what to tell you.
Yeah, same here honestly
This ^^
Thanks for the post. I got so many tankies blocked
Why would you ever block a tankie?
They’re hilarious. You are no fun
Nah I’m here for entertainment, and seeing other people argue and arguing with people who support concentration camps is just not entertaining to me. Same as transphobes, I’m not going to waste my time with that shit
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
China isn’t as successful at imperialism as the Americans. The American ruling class is just… Too good at being evil.
Doesn’t mean that China and Russia aren’t imperialist though. They’re just unable to beat the US… For now…
China and Russia are taking over in the soft imperialism department, because some billionaire moron had to kill USAID. Let’s hope their soft imperialism won’t have really bad consequences human rights-wise (though the US also had a spotty record with that).
Looking at human rights in russia… doesn’t look too good, chief, not gonna lie. At least China pretends for the media.
Unless the media wants to check up on the Uyghurs.
Ahh just scrolled further and they’re here lol. Name is Cowbee. The account is 2 years old, 17,000 comments. All they do is post pro-china shit everywhere they can.
Yeah, I think I made a pretty strong refute of his points in this comment.
I’m just impressed with how long you must’ve spent researching to make that response, we need more people like this when debating tankies.
Cowbee is basically the tankie supreme, yeah. They love China and russia
Sounds like you hate China way more than litteral genociders, fatso
fatso
projecting much? had too many boot-shaped lollipops?
Dude… idk how I fell into it but there’s an account here on lemmy that goes around commenting shit like “fake news” and “your American state media lies to you and its so easy” on posts calling out what China is doing to Uyghurs. Basically denying any wrongdoing by China. Idk if they’re a bot or state agent or paid actor or what. I wonder if they’ll make an appearance on this post…
Give them a few years. The belt and road initiative is set to bring levels of exploitation and wealth extraction never before seen. China gets shit done when it wants to and understands the long game.
This is pure projection.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
Don’t forget that China recently removed all tariffs from Africa. Meaning goods imported to China from Africa are comparatively cheaper than from other countries, which gives Africa a leg up in competition.
bUt ChInA iS iMpErIaLiSt
Yep! I mentioned it elsewhere this thread. Removing tariffs from global south countries is a part of boosting consumption, which is one of China’s more important economic problems it needs to tackle moving forward. It’s a win-win, African countries get to export finished commodities to Chinese consumers, and Chinese consumers get more access to goods. This helps build up African industry while also improving the lives of Chinese people.
Are you saying that removing tariffs from trade with one region means you cannot otherwise be imperialist? That’s completely illogical.
Yes, liberal, please put words in my mouth and down my throat. It’s the only thing you know to do with American propaganda.
They’re turning an entire continent into a sweatshop to feed their own greed and consumerism. They learned from the best! And they’re improving on it through the strength of single party central planning.
No, they are not. China’s consumption is actually too low, which is why the CPC is taking measures to address it and lower tariffs on other countries. This helps build independence and interconnection. You’re absurdly off-base to the point of fantasy.
The measure they’re taking to address it is creating vassal states to turn into sweatshops.
No? Where on Earth did you get that idea? They are focusing on raising wages and boosting consumption, lowering import fees from global south countries to help their rising industry, and are trying to boost incomes in the countryside.
Lol, Jesus dude! Are you just plagiarizing U.S. state department talking points from the mid 20th century on U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia and other places in the global south?
If the genocidees were the genociders they would be genociding too see Hamas is bad guys
Schizophrenia is a serious mental health condition that affects how people think, feel and behave. It may result in a mix of hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thinking and behavior. Hallucinations involve seeing things or hearing voices that aren’t observed by others.
Nobody care about your problem. Go take risperozine or whatever its called.
Good thing I’m an anarchist, I want all states to be dismantled equally ^_^
It’s not that the west practices “bad imperialism” while China practices “good imperialism,” China isn’t imperialist to begin with. In order to understand why, though, we need to understand what imperialism is to begin with, as well as what causes it.
As capitalism monopolizes, it is compelled to expand outward in order to fight falling rates of profit by raising absolute profits. The merging of bank and industrial capital into finance capital leads to export of capital, ie outsourcing. This process allows super-exploitation for super-profits, and is known as imperialism. The domination of financial capital in an economy is what compels a country towards outward expansion, forcing privatization and market expansion via diplomacy on the one hand, and bombs in the other.
This is undeniably true of western countries, who have reached the imperialist stage of capitalism by around the late 19th century, especially the UK, Germany, France, and the US Empire. After World War II, the US Empire became hegemonic, and the western countries vassalized. What’s important is that none of this applies to China.
China is a socialist country. Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, it governs the large firms and key industries and dominates the overall character of the economy. Private ownership exists, but is secondary to that, filling in the gaps left behind by the huge state driven industries in secondary and underdeveloped areas, and is folded into the public sector as it grows. The capitalist class is not allowed to gain political power, and the working classes control the state.
The key takeaway here for the purposes of imperialism, is that China’s banks are overwhelmingly publicly owned, as are its large firms and key industries, and thus there isn’t the same compulsion towards dominating the global south for profit. Instead, China has mutual cooperation agreements, such as the Belt and Road Initiative and placing zero tariffs on 53 African countries.
The US Empire alone has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, while China has ~3. The US Empire bombed and destroyed countless countries over the last few decades alone, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, is embargoing Venezuela and especially Cuba, and more. China is not. The US Empire practices unequal exchange via maintaining monopoly on higher tech, China does not.
China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
It’s clear at this point: participation in BRI results in sustained and rapid development and mutual cooperation, and working with the west results in sustained impoverishment. China gains from this mutual cooperation, but so do African countries, and unlike the west China doesn’t force trade at the barrel of a gun. That’s part of why it’s mutally beneficial, and results in development in Africa, vs underdevelopment and western enrichment.
The simple reason why China isn’t economically compelled to imperialize is because it isn’t dominated by finance capital, and thus prioritizes long-term results, as we saw in the beginning. It’s simply better for everyone for there to be mutual cooperation, but western countries are dominated by the profit motive and finance capital, which compels them to take short term gains via looting the global south.
All in all, trying to equate western imperialism with China’s trade agreements and multi-national projects is the height of projection, and highlights an utter lack of materialist analysis.
Your little pfp gif always makes these memes even better lol
“Both sides bad” vibes projected onto geopolitics.
If Israel treated Palestine like China treats the Uyghurs then Kamala would be president.
Hey hey hey you can’t just compare the two!
That would be like comparing the amount of incarcerated people the US has to China and considering the populations.
The wildest part to me was the international / immigrant nurse who was shocked that in the US we care enough about the mentally ill to bother putting them in prison. She was like “back home if they don’t have family that’s willing to take care of them we just physically throw and/or kick them out of the city and let them wander off and die.”
As someone who gets to interact with the unhoused daily, we’re not putting the mentally ill in prison because we care but because they are bad for business.
I’m aware. I’m telling you someone told me in other parts of the world the solution is letting wild animals eat them.
Here in Australia they took Aboriginal children away from their parents and put them on missions. They called them orphans while their parents were alive and trying to get them back. The missionaries would beat the children, rape them, force them to work, forbid them from speaking their language, send them outside in July without a jumper, send them to bed at 18 on bare mattresses without a sheet. If you’ve ever wondered why there are so many Indigenous people of mixed descent here in Australia, that’s your answer.
The government justified it all by saying the missions were “educating” the children.
If these Chinese education camps are anything like the Australian ones…
…There’s video. You can just check and see.
If these Chinese education camps are anything like the Australian ones…
This is the wildest thing about propaganda, it’s always like, “If [thing] was so bad here, imagine how bad it must be in [place]!” No need to even involve facts or evidence, just use your imagination and let your preconcieved assumptions about other countries run wild.
This is where the real currency of propaganda is framing. With the right framing, every flaw and every crime committed by the West can be twisted around to cast shade on its enemies.
The same cynicism that reinforces that mode of propaganda is used at home to justify supporting genocidal candidates.
Yeah exactly. When westerners whine about China, about Hamas that want to genocide israelis, they’re just projecting. Australia did that.
Yeah centristards from their bedroom at Toronto thinking their good guys by being bothsidists while swallowing every piece of propaganda and victim blaming. 'The “genocide is no biggie” crowd ladies and gens. Too dumb to realize their pieces of shit
