• Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    North Korea would likely not be a worse place than China or the US if their economy wasn’t shit. And a lot of that is literally just The Great US Empire (and its vassals) restricting global trade by gunboat politics since the war. Cuba has the same problem: Immense evolutionary pressure to harden their government against US-caused regime change followed by total exploitation combined with reduced trade options.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    5 days ago

    They just gave a woman 30 years in prison for having leftist poetry in her car, and her husband got 50 years for taking it out of her trunk, because taking a box of stuff out of your wife’s trunk is considered obstruction now?

    Yet Trump got nothing for steak ng hundreds of classified documents, selling them, and moving them around to avoid detection by the FBI, which is real obstruction.

    But yeah, let’s clutch our pearls for the evil soccer mom with empathy.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 days ago

    We live in a fascist country now.

    “But there’s no mass graves.”

    Not yet. And it doesn’t matter. There isn’t just one flavor of fascism. There isn’t just extreme fascism or no fascism.

    This is a facist nation because it is behaving like a fascist nation. And it’s not going to get better unless voters start being more responsible. And it might even be too late for that.

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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      5 days ago

      The idea that we have to wait until the worst cas scenario actually takes place before doing anything about it is ridiculous. We have seen all of this, many times before. We already know where it leads, unless it is stopped. We don’t have to wait, just because the people who benefit by that waiting demand it.

      We don’t have to do what the worst people in the world demand. We’ve seen how this exact scenario leads to death camps, and the wholesale slaughter of millions. We have the people in place who think that’s a good idea, and they have already built and are populating concentration camps with cremation facilities. Do we have to wait until we smell roasting flesh from the smokestacks before we do anything? Are we going to accept their excuses when they claim they are only burning the bodies of those who died “natural” deaths? In a concentration camp?

      We already know where this leads, every time. We don’t have to make them prove it, and we don’t have to accept their lame denials, or their rationalizations. We know what they want, and we see them moving quickly and decisively in that direction. We don’t have to wait until it actually happens before we stop them.

      • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        It’s the 'Murican way

        Do nothing, until circumstances force action

        It’s quite fascinating to see from the comfort of a civilised country.

        Depressing, particularly because it keeps happening, but still grimly fascinating

    • itisileclerk@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections. No fascist regime was overthrown in democratic elections.

      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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        5 days ago

        Simply not true. Not all fascist regimes came out of elections. Many, many governments arose from coups, usually military.

        You can’t shift a government from Democratic to fascist, if it was never democratic in the first place.

      • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 days ago

        Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections

        This feels questionable at best— there’s a lonnnnnggg history of rulers in countries prior to democracy

      • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        The article does not support your statement. Even if people have gone missing, the author doesn’t allude to a mass killing. I’m all for exposing ICE, but I’m also against creating misinformation or fueling rumors.

        • bouh@jlai.lu
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          5 days ago

          Concentration camps were discovered in 1945 I think. Fascists don’t care that you have no proof. They kill people and appease you with lies.

          You’re at the step where the murders are still hidden. Next step is when they’re justified. Oh wait, it’s already happening when people are killed in the streets for opposing ice. Next step is more people join the ranks of the great enemy of the inside. And at some point, either you agree with all the killing, or you shut up because talking puts you on the wrong side of the government guns.

        • anugeshtu@lemmy.world
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          6 days ago

          It’s probably not that quantity today, but read about that statement “Wir haben es nicht gewusst”. There were “rumors”, but most people just thought about their own lot instead of worrying about those rumors.

        • TheKingBee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 days ago

          …so they just disappeared into the system and we have no idea if they’re alive or dead? You know that’s only marginally better right?

          • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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            6 days ago

            Not marginally, but quite the difference. There’s no need to be reductive just because you disagree and want to speculate.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 days ago

    This is in extremely poor taste considering what happened to the kid in the picture. That’s what is terrifying, not a vandalism arrest.

    We should oppose fascism without belittling its victims, regardless of which state they’re under.

    • iocase@lemmy.zip
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      6 days ago

      The only actual evidence was a blurry video which probably wasn’t even him. He was just a convenient political tool. I remember reading a very detailed breakdown of how the suspect in the video was the wrong height and walked differently.

    • Bassman1805@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      I don’t think this is belittling the kid at all. Just pointing out that we’re now doing approximately the same thing at home.

  • topperharlie@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    I want to add (without prison sentences… for now) all the push of Europe to do the internet surveillance China style, after we have criticized it so much.

    Is so sad how “autocratic government surveillance” suddenly becomes “protecting the children”…

    Fuck politicians, hope they all die a terrible death. They deserve all the hate in the world and then a bit more.

    • brownsugga@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      It hasn’t “suddenly” become that- every single internet censorship bill ever proposed is named some flavor of “save children”

      I’m all for burning Epsteins list at the stake at Super Bowl halftime; but the right to privacy is sacred and should be revered

    • HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub
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      6 days ago

      to be fair, when EU adds firewall and blocks all traffic from USA, they will have like 99% less advertisements

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 days ago

      Is so sad how “autocratic government surveillance” suddenly becomes “protecting the children”…

      The saddest part about it is how well it works. People are still falling for this shit. We never learn anything.

    • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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      6 days ago

      The Chinese firewall isn’t surveillance, lol. It’s to keep American surveillance from surveilling Chinese citizens. I’m sure your familiar with Snowden and Assange?

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
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          6 days ago

          What are CCTV, Ring, smart phones, smart homes, smart cars, and the Patriot Act for the daily double?

            • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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              6 days ago

              Surely there’s proof of the Chinese government surveilling the rest of the world, more so than the 5 eyes countries, otherwise the original statement of the EU doing surveillance “China style” is just xenophobia.

              • diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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                6 days ago

                I didn’t mean “in relation to the Chinese government” when I mentioned “Chinese surveillance”, I meant “surveillance of Chinese origin”. If you check ad and tracking blocklists, by far most popular ones are either in the US or China. For me that’s equally as bad as government sponsored. Although “government sponsored” usually implies “of big(ger) scale”, it’s not necessary.

                There are more than just 5 eyes.

                I am going to refrain from arguing, for I have taken note of your instance being “lemmy.ml”. As much as I hate discriminating by instance, I have to do what I have to do.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 days ago

      A life sentence for protesting.

      This is America.

      Our Constitution is effectively over and a frightening percentage of Americans aren’t even aware, or don’t even care.

      Personally, I’m crossing my fingers for Balkanization. Staying chained to this sinking ship is not wise.

    • Nouvellalia@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      Two people who weren’t even there, who never discussed the illegal acts, who were only in a group chat where people discussed attending a legal protest, were sentenced to 50 years.

      But they were trans women in Texas. So the jury had no problem sending them to a men’s prison without any crimes being committed.

  • nullspace@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Those floating paint chips are worth thousands of dollars! Or rather, that’s what the administration paid for them.

    • gmtom@lemmy.world
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      7 days ago

      I mean to give full context, that protest did end with a cop getting shot.

      But the sentences are still wildly excessive including 30 years to someone for carrying a box of magazines.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 days ago

        First off, the shooter claims that the cop was about to murder an unarmed protestor.

        But more importantly, it was just one person who shot. Collective punishment is literally against the Geneva Convention.

        Imagine getting a 50 year prison sentence because you were peacefully protesting at a place where someone else shot a cop. By the same logic, every cop that was present when Alex Pretti was executed should have 50+ year prison sentences.

        • gmtom@lemmy.world
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          6 days ago

          I know reading comprehension is not great on this site, but I’m in no way shape or form making an argument the protestors were in the wrong. Literally just providing context.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            6 days ago

            It’s cool that you were able to get that snarky remark in, but I was not necessarily disagreeing or arguing with you.

            However, reading your comment again, it still comes across as cop apologetics. It’s the “the protest did end with a cop being shot”. It’s a justification. Maybe you didn’t intend that, but that’s the implication.

            Did I comprehend ok?

            • gmtom@lemmy.world
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              6 days ago

              It’s not in any way a justification. In fact the language is deliberately neutral as not to imply the protestors did anything wrong (which they didn’t) a protest happened and a cop was shot. Just stating objective fact, because that is a crucial detail the the other commentary left out, which makes their comment sound like they arrested and sentenced these people purely for protesting. (Which they kind of did, and the cop being shot was just their justification, but that’s besides the point)

    • D_C@sh.itjust.works
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      7 days ago

      What are the chances that these people will get pardoned, etc, when(if) normality returns?

      Also what’s the chances that the judge who handed down these long and unfair sentences will get any repercussions for being so obviously corrupt?

      • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        6 days ago

        Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right.

        “I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”

        While the senator agreed with Trump on strengthening the country’s borders to protect citizens, he disagreed with the president’s mass deportation plan.

        “He wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country who are undocumented,” Sanders said. “Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country.”

        “Because I got news for you, Trump’s billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us. They’re not going to work in meatpacking houses,” he continued. “That’s what undocumented people are doing.”

        Given that this is as far left as US politicians get, I’d say unlikely.

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
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          6 days ago

          “We need those slaves to be working in conditions so abysmal, even our own disposables won’t work them!”

          • RichardNixos@lemmy.ml
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            6 days ago

            “cracking down on fentanyl”

            The War on Drugs is well-documented to be a racist pretext for mass incarceration and violation of 4th Amendment rights, etc., (see The New Jim Crow for example), so Sanders is either a useful idiot or complicit.

            • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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              6 days ago

              I mean, yeah, if you’re punishing people for consuming the drugs directly, 100%. However, Trump’s focus has been more on preventing fentanyl from entering the country.

              Unfortunately, he’s still an idiot since the US’s own pharmaceutical companies are the primary culprit and he’s just using Mexico as a scapegoat, so yeah, you’re not wrong lol.

      • sobchak@programming.dev
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        6 days ago

        Unlikely. The US executes people when there’s so much new evidence after sentencing pointing toward them not being guilty that the original prosecutors plead for them to not execute. The Dem establishment’s complaints against ICE are mostly just procedural; they just argue for things like more transparency for these detention centers, not their abolishment.

      • gmtom@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        A full pardon? Maybe for some of them, especially the zine guy, but the guy who actually shot the cop, unlikely. No democrat would want the optics of that.

        • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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          6 days ago

          Cop shot first. The guy who shot him did so in community defense.

          In fact that cop may have given the shooter’s attorneys an argument to revisit Harlow v Fitzgerald, and hand the SCOTUS the full text of §1983. They were given, unknowingly, an illegally edited text in 1982 when Harlow v Fitzgerald established Qualified Immunity, which is illegal according to the full statute as recorded in the 1871 Congressional Record.

      • ReHomed@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        7 days ago

        Honestly 50/50

        You can’t really bounce back from the bullshit that has just ensued immediately, it’s also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
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          6 days ago

          it’s also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless complicit as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy