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      This is what amounts to a micdrop for you, is it? A link to one paragraph that provides no proof whatsoever, but instead claims said proof both exists and is beyond dismissal?

      Pathetic.

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        How the Healing Was Confirmed

        The diocesan tribunal investigated the case. The Vatican’s Congregation for the Causes of Saints reviewed the maternal-fetal medical records and comparative ultrasound imaging. Pope Francis approved the miracle decree in May 2020.

        Understanding the Illness

        Fetal hydrops (hydrops fetalis) is a severe condition in which abnormal amounts of fluid accumulate in the fetus’s tissues and organs—around the heart, lungs, abdomen, or under the skin. It is usually fatal, with survival rates under 10% even with intensive treatment. Spontaneous resolution in utero is medically unprecedented.

        Full Narrative

        Blessed Michael McGivney (1852–1890) founded the Knights of Columbus. In February 2015, Michelle Schachle’s unborn son was diagnosed with hydrops fetalis—a usually fatal accumulation of fluid in the fetus’s tissues and organs—plus Down syndrome. Doctors gave zero chance of survival and encouraged abortion. Daniel and Michelle Schachle refused and prayed to Fr. McGivney. Daniel promised to name the boy Michael if healed.

        The documentation. The healing of fatal fetal hydrops in utero is supported by comparative pre- and post-healing ultrasound imaging and maternal-fetal medical records. The before-and-after imaging provides objective evidence that the condition—which is typically fatal—completely resolved without medical intervention. Mikey was born healthy and continues to thrive today.

        Pope Francis approved the miracle in May 2020; McGivney was beatified October 31, 2020. The Knights of Columbus (kofc.org) and Catholic News Agency document the case.

        Why It Matters

        Fetal hydrops is typically fatal. The comparative pre- and post-healing ultrasound imaging provides objective, verifiable evidence. McGivney founded the Knights of Columbus—a major American Catholic organization. The case is exceptionally well-documented by modern maternal-fetal medicine standards.

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          blah blah blah no evidence actually provided blah blah blah trust me, bro!

          I did read it initially - that’s how I know they didn’t provide any evidence. If they had it, they probably would have mentioned it.

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            evidence: their medical records and ultrasound imagery, which I think you cant access and were reviewed in private, because theyre real people?

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              evidence: their medical records and ultrasound imagery, which I think you cant access and were reviewed in private, because theyre real people?

              “I totally have evidence, bro, you’re just not allowed to see it!”

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                there are thousands of documented miracles in the Catholic Church

                let me give you another one

                Marie Bailly, 23, was dying of acute tubercular peritonitis. Her father, mother, and one brother had all died of tuberculosis. Her abdomen was massively distended with hard tubercular masses and fluid. She was in a semi-coma with a racing pulse, blue complexion, and labored breathing.

                Dr. Alexis Carrel — a brilliant, agnostic French surgeon — accompanied sick pilgrims on the “White Train” to Lourdes, partly out of scientific curiosity. He examined Bailly on the train and concluded she was near death.

                The Witness

                Carrel was standing over Bailly at the Grotto with his notebook. As water from the Lourdes spring was applied to her abdomen, he documented what happened minute by minute:

                • At 2:40 PM, her labored breathing became regular
                • Her racing pulse steadied
                • The massive abdominal swelling began to visibly shrink
                • By 3:00 PM — twenty minutes later — the blanket over her abdomen had gradually sunk as the distension completely disappeared
                • Her blue cheeks turned rosy
                • The hard tubercular masses were gone

                Bailly said: “All right. I am not very energetic, but I feel that I am healed.” She ate dinner that evening and walked the next morning.

                this one was verified by her agnostic doctor who won the nobel prize in medicine later

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                  Nice so there’s medical records available for this one? Given it was in 1902 that seems unlikely they’d be very useful, but they are available right?

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                    I mean he was an agnostic and had some bad views but hes literally a nobel prize winner, we shouldnt listen to his personal opinions, but he was a REALLY good doctor

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                    On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.

                    • The Archbishop who ordered the investigation was Jorge Bergoglio — now Pope Francis
                    • Dr. Ricardo Castañón Gómez, a former atheist, coordinated the scientific analysis
                    • A tissue sample was sent to New York for blind testing
                    • The primary examiner was Dr. Frederick Zugibe, a secular forensicpathologistt and cardiologist at Columbia University
                    • He was not told where the sample came from or what it had been

                    The Witness

                    Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.

                    • He found intact, active white blood cells — cells that typically disintegrate within 15 minutes outside a living body
                    • Professor John Walker (University of Sydney) later confirmed intact white blood cells in the same tissue six years after the event
                    • The blood type was AB, matching the Lanciano relic and the Shroud of Turin

                    When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”

                    okay, heres another one

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                    yes

                    Carrel’s medical notes are preserved in the Sanctuary of Lourdes Archives as Dossier 54 — alongside depositions from two other physicians and Marie Bailly’s own written account from November 1902. A 2025 peer-reviewed article in *The American Journal of the Medical Sciences*, co-authored by the current President of the Lourdes Medical Bureau, re-examined Carrel’s departure from Lyon using these previously unpublished documents.

                    Carrel was so shaken that he nearly destroyed his academic career by refusing to deny what he witnessed. His chief of surgery at the University of Lyon dismissed him. Rather than recant, Carrel left France — eventually winning the 1912 Nobel Prize in Medicine. He arranged for Bailly to be psychiatrically evaluated every two weeks for four months; she was declared fully healthy.

                    He wrote a detailed account, published posthumously as *The Voyage to Lourdes* (1950). His personal papers — 158.5 linear feet across 109 boxes — are preserved at Georgetown University. Marie Bailly entered the Daughters of Charity in December 1902, served as a nurse caring for the sick, and died in 1937 at age fifty-eight.