• HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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    3 months ago

    and remember america means the constitution. because america is the constitution. coming into existence with its ratification and losing who it is when its violated.

    • Ajikeshi@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      i would consider the us just being an ongoing insurrection, that will eventually die down

      and… america is a continent… do you speak about canada, mexico, or south canada?

      • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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        3 months ago

        yeah its a colloqueal thing. people in america if they say america mean the usa and since that is the way the flag wavers speak I use the same lingo. americas would imply the continent or several countries in it. of course you could also use the actual names with north or south in them.

        • Ajikeshi@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          i know… still something that could be changed and/or being mindful of it…

          americas is a bit weird, since to me it always meant the whole of north and south america, which is also how it usually is being used in a corporate/business context.

          • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I don’t see how you could. No continent is named america. If you don’t use north or south then you have a question of which one. americas you are right implies both. America is used for the united states of america because its the only country that uses america in its name. Terrotories of the usa have things like america somoa. Its usage is correct as is. People just get wierd about it.

            • Ajikeshi@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              i see your point, it just feels imprecise and weird to refer to a single country by its continent. using “united states” instead of america just feels more right

              • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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                2 months ago

                Again though america is in it. Like if you say britain you might mean great britain. Of coures that one is a can of worms with all the name. Honestly tons of countries are like that its just the shortened version is considered proper but because of the continent thing again people get wierd about it. china, egypt, mexico, iran, ethiopia, ireland, poland, switzerland. A lot of republic and the name with some flowery dressing.

    • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      This is a pretty good response there:

      Can’t wait for the sequel! ‘Labor creates Liberty’ or ‘Work earns Freedom’ has that specific 1930s ‘retro’ energy that really matches the new vibe. History is so much fun when it repeats itself, right? 😉🇺🇸

  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    I don’t even know if this is real. Because it looks so bizzare.

    My family have lived in the house at our farm, since before the first ever colony was founded in North America.

    We’ve found actual stone axes by the lake that’s only 300m away.

    They don’t know the meaning of the word “heritage”

  • weps@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    one people, which one exactly? the French? the British? the indigenous? the Mexicans?

    • Godric@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Our whole heritage is being a melting pot of every heritage mixed together. Blood nationalism makes ZERO sense whatsoever.

      • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
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        2 months ago

        Melting pot? I wouldn’t call it that. More like a 70s jell-o salad: all the ingredients are visible, but separate. There’s alarmingly little miscegenation in the US. Go anywhere in Latin America and you can see true melting pots.

      • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        Actually your heritage is that of native American genocide, centuries of African slavery, and then countless illegal wars of aggression.

          • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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            3 months ago

            Are you actually claiming that the ‘heritage’ of the country that engaged in slavery and multiple genocides, and still engage in such today is not any of those things?

            • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zipEnglish
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              3 months ago

              There’s a pretty good chance that user will, in the same breath, go: Jefferson bad, Stalin good. Because authoritarians and genocides perpetrated by entities pretending to be communist are somehow excusable.

              Edit: I rest my case. You’ll notice their immediate jump to whataboutism, strawman arguments, and childish demands for you to research why their “nuh uh” is wrong.

              • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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                3 months ago

                Genocidal slavers like Jefferson are, indeed, bad.
                Not sure why a person took part in massively improving the rights and living conditions of the working class and fighting against the original nazis should be considered bad in comparison with enthusiastic slavers.

                Just admit it - you only said that because you have been bombarded your whole life with propaganda about how the most vile polity in the world is somehow good, while Stalin is somehow bad for some reason.

                • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zipEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  Two things can both be bad. This is what you mls never seem to grasp.

                  And It’s not for some reason. He killed so many people. No one can take you seriously when you praise a monster like Stalin.

              • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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                3 months ago

                This guy must have something wrong with them.

                This comment is literally whataboutism, they clearly don’t understand what a straw an argument is, and the childish demands are us simply asking for him to explain himself.

                What a joke, lol.

            • Godric@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              .ml users have a pretty poor reputation in the fediverse as braindead ideologues who swarm and spam posts that don’t jive with their beliefs. It’s like having a neighbor constantly chucking dogshit over the fence and blaming you for the smell XD

            • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
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              3 months ago

              He hates accurate historical analysis. It hurts his perception of the piece of land he was born on.

              Notice how he even got down voted on his own “safe” instance.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Very few, that doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re still a nation of immigrants and should reject the lie of a unified American heritage.

        • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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          3 months ago

          Genocidal settler-colonialism is not “immigration”, and neither is being enslaved and transported over the Atlantic ocean.

          • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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            3 months ago

            There are plenty of folks who came over after the bulk of the genocide was largely done. Don’t think an Italian coming over in the 1910s had fuck all to do with the Native American genocide.

            But even ignoring that you are assuming that this is all a black and white situation when people are rarely that. For example the early Scots-Irish population in Appalachia generally got along well enough with native Americans often times even mixing together, you could also have the later Irish immigrants from the Irish genocide by the English inflicting the same fate apon Native Americans in the great planes.

            Hell my own ancestors did seemingly contradictory shit as being slavers while murdering people for being bigots against Native Americans. Only for a generation later to be fighting for the abolishment of slavery and arming natives while really fucking hating newer Anglo settlers to the point of commiting hate crimes.

    • Denjin@feddit.ukdeleted by creator
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      3 months ago

      Change it just enough to say “that wasn’t our inspiration” but keep it similar enough that anyone clued into the dogwhistle recognises it.