(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
If you like meat so much, why do you eat plants and/or seasoning from the get to?
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
They have multiple points, but a big one is that you can live a happy healthy life without eating animals or animal products, therefore eating those is optional.
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins. Vegans are playing on hardmode by choice and think that makes them special. IMHO they are right; “special” enough to warrant their own bus. Don’t anthropomorphize your food. Chickens are IDIOTS who will cannibalize each other without a second thought, Pigs may be “smart” but are clueless (and also will cannibalize each other like chickens), and cattle are absolute MORONS. In fact the only reason we eat the animals that we do is because their ancestors were too mentally vaccuous to avoid humans altogether. (like say, MOST OF THE AFRICAN MEGA FAUNA which evolved with us and so are wise to our BS.)
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
thatsthejoke
I don’t even BUY meat anymore! I’m a real man! A MAN’S MAN! I find animals in the wild and I chase them until thtye die of exhaustion and I eat it RAW! I have to get shots and medication to fight off prions and parasites like every other week BUT THIS IS HOW MEN DID IT IN MEN’S DAYS! I neither rely on the big production of meat or eating “plants” like some yuppie ass hipster!
THIS IS HOW MEN SHOULD BE! WE ARE HUNTERS or something, I dunno.
shoutouts to joe biden
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Have you heard of Demi Glacé? Chef John has a good cheater recipe if you’re interested in home make and less beef pricey.
I have not, but I’m intrigued.
Chef John from foodwishes is awesome!
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this just before you cook, or whenever and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
The only meat I like to eat pure is the flesh of my enemies.
I have no need to savor the taste of my superiority over a cow or turkey.
Spices in quantity are generally used to improve subpar ingredients. If you get top quality meat, it needs nothing but cooking. But most of us can’t afford top quality meats all the time.
Don’t forget to add rocks (salt) or else it won’t taste good, even if it’s quality.
That goes for vegetables too…
I disagree. I can eat fruits and veggies without adding salt or sugar. Meat without salt is awful though.
Or I could just continue to eat plants, fungi, and spices, and be happier that I can get some of the highest quality foods at mostly the lowest prices.
I am vegetarian generally, but do eat meat once and a while when occasion calls for it.
Had some prime Wagyu beef in Japan and it’s very hard to beat. Definitely a top class product that’s impossible to o replace.
But generally, a lot of meat substitutes are just as good or better. Expectations are maybe a bit different, but I’ve never gotten bored of them. On the rare occasions I do have to eat meat, it’s usually disappointing.
I don’t like meat substitutes because they’re never even comparable.
I love plenty of foods that aren’t meat, but the moment you try to replace meat you’re destined to fail.Best veggie burger I’ve ever had didn’t even try to be beef. Did nice things with texture that were totally unmeat like. Closer to a Japanese croquette, but more beans.
Some of the worst have been the most similar. Tvp with ground mushrooms for umami and such.Foods should be cooked in the ways that best show them off, not in ways that invite a comparison to a different food.
It’s like trying to use meat to make a banana free banana bread. Just… Don’t.
Wrong. This is an idiotic, classist distinction that’s a relic of the British pedophile class. They decided they didn’t like seasoned food when seasonings became affordable for their victims. Pure classist bullshit. Enjoy your bland food though
You’re both going to massive extremes.
Some meats when prepared well benefit from minimal seasoning. Beef when cooked well doesn’t need more than salt, but some pepper and butter basting also brings the flavor forward.
If you need steak sauce, ketchup or anything like that it’s a sign you’ve likely not cooked it the best.Chicken however just doesn’t have as much to it, so you’ll hit a flavor ceiling a bit faster.
It’s not classism, it’s fat content and connective tissue. Less fat and there’s less potential “unseasoned yum”. More connective tissue and you need to cook it longer to make it not a chewy horror, which makes the fat come out.
High quality cuts of meat require less seasoning because we define meat quality by the factors that make it more palatable without seasoning.
It’s not about not seasoning food, it’s about seasoning it correctly for what you have. Big hunk of fatty meat with connective tissue? Perfect for stew because it sits in it’s own fat, and cooking for a long time in water turns the connective tissue into gelatin.
I pretty much add seasonings for the flavor and health benefits. Golden milk is delicious. I add tumeric, salt and pepper, if nothing else, but I also enjoy cardamon, onions, bay laurel, garlic, oregano, basil, cumin, mustard, cinnamon, ginger, lemon, tarragon and other mints. They all incidentally make good teas.
Hey, you do you. I’m not one to say your tastes are wrong.
Is the tumeric for your golden milk, or your general spice preparation? I wouldn’t normally think to put turmeric in my default list with salt and pepper, but I also wouldn’t normally associate onion and garlic with tea or milk.Me and lactose aren’t friends, so my milk tends to be “oat flavored” and rarely as a straight beverage.
It’s not classism
Except it is vestigial classism. It has an actual historical origin. It’s a completely ridiculous position.
I season my food, which is delicious btw, and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe. It makes sense because it tastes good. No historical baggage needed
It’s like you only read one phrase out of context.
It’s a completely ridiculous position.
That some food is better with minimal seasoning?
That the amount of seasoning you put on a food is somehow related to the nature of the ingredients?I season my food, which is delicious btw
I’m glad! I never said you shouldn’t. I said some ingredients don’t need it as much, or are better enjoyed with minimal seasoning.
and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe.
I’ll remember that the next time I eat sushi.
The classism came from the aristocracy making a display of wealth by choosing to ostentatiously eat the foods that benefit from less seasoning, and casting the others as “low class”.
That doesn’t make the method of preparation a relic of classism. It’s classist to say that a pot roast is low class, not to say a ribeye doesn’t need much to be delicious.Modern British food has a reputation as being unseasoned because we don’t call any of the seasoned dishes born of their empire “British”, and a lot of the other stuff got messed up by “island nation in a major war with prolonged food rationing”.
Remember that the flip side of the aristocracy avoiding seasoning to distinguish themselves is that everyone else didn’t.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
plant-based mock-meats
Why make plants taste like meat?
That’s the joke dude.
But also it’s for the noobs. Nonvegans will continuously conjure up every excuse possible to keep supporting cruelty, to the point that we now evidently have to make special science meats that people will also probably try to make excuses to avoid.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where some spices are produced from animals.
Sir, this is a shitpost
Damn, touche.
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil. It’s wild lol.
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
Fun fact, those two things go together. My oldest is autistic and needed several rounds of feeding therapy before he’d eat anything but Chicken Nuggets like 90% of the time.
if your constipation gets extreme enough your bowels start being unable to pull liquid out of what comes into them. So you go from being unable to poop at all to suddenly just having the still liquid stuff leaking out around the blockage being the only thing that can come out.
I’ll probably regret going there ….
But could this be a scenario where the cheapest chicken tenders are good? Is there any fiber to whatever they use for filler?
Oh hey, another Jordan Peterson fan! *fistbump*
extreme constipation like 3 days
Fun fact: this is not extreme. Extreme is more than a week. 3 days is the minimal threshold for constipation.
Everyone keeps saying “fun fact” dealin with 💩 info. 😂
Thank you for the info.
I’m laughing harder than is the poop of a fiber detestent.
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
- we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is a varied diet.
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you’re losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
(*) Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.
Best of both worlds!
You probably downvoted one of the orbiting cult communities Jet polices and so he banned you from all of them. He bans anyone who downvotes those communities. Though now he does it by a proxy account these days by the looks.
Probably. I have had interactions with them in comments on posts before too. Oh well, anyway.
Banning for a single downvote seems a bit extreme lol
Extreme? He’s fucking nuts. His alts are nuts too, you can see him patting himself on the back in his stupid fucking communities
It’s strange because I’ve only had good interactions with them. They were very helpful and gave me advice regarding some health issues, and even took the time to research some stuff with me
Uh, just because they gave you advice doesn’t mean it was good advice. It is not wise to take nutritional or health advice from wannabe influencers.
I take advice that seems like good advice, and makes sense to me. Your advice seems like good advice, but applied selectively
Which advice was that?
(I didn’t downvote you) It’s just weird and frustrating that people choose a hill like that to die on. It is manifestly untrue that humans are carnivores. It’s just weird (and sorry for being a little heated in my earlier reply)
I remove my own upvote from my comments; it’s my own weird thing 😂
And no worries. I think food is one of those things that is extremely specific to each person. I’m sure most people would hate what I eat every day. I would describe it as “low-GI vegetarian”
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