To not vote or to vote MAGA, the; outcome will be the same.
And the world will suffer for it.
Trump is the switch:
- If you pull the lever towards trump, millions die.
- If you pull the lever away from trump, millions are saved.
Just to note, others will die.
That doesn’t make the lives saved less important.
I will choose freewill - Neil Peart RIP
freewill
I bet he spelled it ‘free will’, as the Canadian education system used to be good in 1961.
The song is called Freewill with no space. I didn’t check the lyrics to see how it was spelled there.
Abstaining from voting is just a vote to let others choose for you. It does not exempt you from the system.
Absolutely! You’re part of “the system” due to the fact that you exist…
I prefer this equivalence: abstaining is voting according to the result of the election.
You’re banned from .ml, !latestagecapitalism and r/Pyongyang.
I am also banned from .ml and LateStageCapitalism. Anyone who isn’t insufferable and possesses a functional brain is or will be banned from those wretched hives of scum and villainy.
BaD jAcKeTiNg
I don’t think the people downvoting this saw the mod who banned kingofras for bad jacketing proceeded to bad jacket someone else in the next thread about this subject.
Probably the same dick who banned me today honestly.
Lol. I think you got banned from Ye Powertrippin’ Bastards by that db0 dipshit right before I did.
It’s literally a sub for complaining about power tripping mods and that dipshit is going through it banning people he disagrees with. The irony is supreme.
I went to his profile and he describes himself as an “Epicurean Revolutionary Libertarian Socialist”, which had me rolling. How can he take himself seriously?
One effexor capsule at a time I assume
Yep I am fairly sure we’re talking about the same person. Lol
They banned me from countless subs. I actually at that point realized I never have good experiences with that instance so I went ahead and blocked it.
Yeah, his name is literally “db0” because he’s on the dbzer0 instance. Guy’s a creative powerhouse. It had to have been him that banned us because the one other listed mod hasn’t been active in a few weeks.
Lemmy’s great, but it’s unfortunate how many popular subs are moderated by a single basement dwelling sad ass powertripping loser. They kill a significant portion of this platform for anyone that doesn’t want to slurp their shit up.
And yeah, I’m about to hit my 2 year mark on Lemmy and I can confirm that all these losers are coming from the dbzer0 and ml instances. They are a blight on the Lemmiverse. Same vibe I used to get from /r/conservative and /r/The_Donald. Just pathetic losers.
Libertarian lmao. “Leftist” instance run by someone identifying himself as a nazi pedophile. Rich.
Cuck voting
If you think any of this will convince the commies to vote think again
They are only here too sow doubt and apathy in the interests of certain oligarchs
It’s not a protest, it’s a surrender.
But the bus driver supports genocide. The whole bus is rotten. We should let the bus go off the cliff and then build a new bus. I’m sure enough of us will survive the crash to build a better bus afterwards. Many people will die but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
🤡🤡🤡
It sounds stupid because it is…
Appropriate emojis considering the message. Hoping they’re in place of a /s
Absolutely in place of /s
Good to know!!
Oops, all of the people who had the institutional knowledge to build a new bus died in the bus accident.
But the bus driver supports genocide. The whole bus is rotten.
You ever notice how the ‘burn it down’ people fall into two camps?
- not in the affected area: chicken-hawk types who advocate the sacrifice of others.
- in the affected area: I didn’t know the leopards of societal collapse, starvation, and violence, would eat my face.
Type 2 also includes the “why’s it taking so long? Look at all these people suffering through the collapse. We need to make it collapse faster so we get to the good part faster” people, without acknowledging that this is what collapse looks like: lots of suffering
Yeah but you can just blame all that suffering on the people trying to hold the whole thing together, because obviously if you just let the whole thing collapse then the suffering will end abruptly and a magical utopia can finally descend from the heavens! /s
You joke, but the number of people I’ve seen posting along the lines of ‘I don’t this, I’m exempted!’ Is extremely infuriating. The individualism bubble has them thinking it’s a shield from reality.
Oh, I know. Believe me, do I know…
Making the downfall faster is fighting stupid with stupid. They are still bringing on the end of the world or whatever evangelicals are imagining.
There will be so much shit to eat your grandchildren will still be at it. I do not understand accelerationism or similar ideas one bit.
Who said there was a good part to get to? Turns out damaging the bus in any manner, whether by driving, inaction, or burning it on the road, is all bad. No one has mentioned hitting the brakes… oh wait, which one of you cut the lines?
But the bus driver said it’s going to take a few extra hours to get to the destination because of all the buses creating congestion on the highway. So clearly burning the bus to the ground is the only viable option, and in fact, if you don’t light the match then you actually support traffic jams! /s
Just a bunch of moralists sniffing their own farts.
How about nobody in this situation is virtuous.
Go vote for pedo blue and tell yourself how righteous and great you are compared to the other shitty option camps.
Before you bitch and moan at me for differing from groupthink: I will be voting for blue pedo this turn about but I’m not gonna be online in a fart smelling circle with a bunch of do nothing moralists about it.
Please get over yourselves, you vote for slavery that’s out of sight abroad and pedos who eat babies so you can play gta6, you aren’t righteous.
pedo blue
This reeks of desperation.
I will be voting for blue pedo this turn about
Lol. Immediately abandon your morals. You don’t have a problem calling them pedos but you’ll vote for pedos…this time.
Literally what I’m talking about. Look down on people while you vote for a corporate democrat.
Your comment is exactly what I would expect from someone who just loves the smell of their own shit.
How are people supposed to feel bad about suffering when it’s people who talk down to them like you who will suffer? Maybe I will just not vote with them. Let’s crash the bus.
All in all, a good win for you though. Simpsons memes are always a hoot. I wish I was as moral and just and smart as you.
The fact you assume we aren’t holding our noses while we vote is your problem. You take a morally superior attitude while doing exactly what we’re doing. Except we don’t go around trash talking the people we’re voting for a few weeks before the election, since that might MAKE THEM FUCKING LOSE
Your presumptuousness and hypocrisy are disgusting.
Weird, I thought I was responding to your friends doing it first. Crazy you decided it’s my fault.
Your group is the one that immediately goes to ostracizing others.
I didn’t presume shit. It’s all written out before my response to this shit show. If you’re offended, I wonder why?
Bullshit. Quote me then. Quote me where I say anything close to “I like these candidates. They are my preferred choice out of all proposed options past and present”.
You can’t. Because it’s factually inaccurate. You can’t find that shit for most of us. Because that’s not how we feel. We’re all holding our noses, just like you.
If you can prove otherwise, I encourage you to do so.
How does it feel to sniff your own farts while accusing everyone else of sniffing theirs? Does it make the high you get more intense?
No u!
Exactly, all you have is projection…
Many people will die but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
But not from the genocides?
How does social collapse stop the genocides? Explain that part in detail, because I’m pretty sure any global socioeconomic collapse will accelerate existing genocides and probably add quite a few more. Like, do you numpties understand half the world dies in your best case scenarios, the first of which will absolutely be all the people being genocided currently?
in both the thought experiment and the US vote, the genocide happens no matter which way you vote, or if you don’t vote at all… there are no choices that have a real chance of reducing the genocide
the genocide happens no matter which way you vote
Im glad yall are finally being honest.
Pedal to the metal, accelerate!
But you do need to build a new bus. You should start talking about how to stop the bus, let out the passengers, then setting fire to it.
Meanwhile: .ML BAD
You chauvinists really deserved 9/11
“The five non-voters are the true anarchists who see the violence inherent in the system. Actually the two who voted against driving off the cliff are wrong for even supporting a system in which voters can choose to drive the bus off the cliff. They’re actually worse than the three who voted to drive the bus off the cliff, because they tacitly approve of driving the bus off the cliff just by participating in the system which allows the bus to be driven off the cliff, while fooling themselves into feeling morally absolved of the decision to drive off the cliff! So the non-voters are the only virtuous ones in this situation”
(The /s should be clear, right?)
(The /s should be clear, right?)
… are you new to the Fediverse? I encounter such arguments uttered unironically virtually every time I browse here - especially in election season.
You’re… not wrong…
Might I should have included a second “…right?” after that statement
It’s a toughie. Some people think indications of sarcasm ruin the fun.
I’m of the opinion that one should always clearly indicate satire due to Poe’s Law.
I like to put it in italics and sometimes attribute it to the group I’m parodying, or if an individual, I add “probably.” Observe:
“This entire thread is woke garbage. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. I’ll drive this bus off that cliff better than anyone ever has. Better than Biden ever could. Biden tried to stop the bus and fill it with illegals. Putin promised me there’s rainbows at the bottom of that valley, and not the radical left rainbows either. The kind that leads you to beautiful, clean, black gold.”
- Donald Jeffreyepsteinsfavoritecustomer Trump, probably
Anakin stare intensifies
You’ve angered the .ml and .dbzer0 trolls.
Tankie tears are my favorite beverage.
Thank you for the clown emojis because I 100% thought you were seroius because of how many fools there are on Lemmy that believe that exact sentiment and they aren’t joking. Juvenile fools.
I almost added a /s too just to be safe
You can fairly reliably tell whether or not such a post/comment is made genuinely (albeit perhaps astroturfically) or sardonically by merit of the instance from which the commenter posts.
You call it clowning, but this is literally the strategy that was used to defeat slavery. The “play within the system” planned was attempted for nearly a hundred years by the Abolitionists. They tried your way again and again. Slavery only ended when they abandoned your way and started a third party.
Except a third party is still voting? I only clown on third party voters when they:
a) split the vote of a single party instead of pulling from both parties and new voters (because it only helps the remaining party cement their dominance in the next election through gerrymandering etc)
b) have clown policies that appeal only to emotion, with no path to implementation (I’m looking at you, Jill Stein and Ross Perot)
Show me a legitimate third party candidate with good policy proposals and a plan to gain votes without guaranteeing the worst candidate wins and I’ll vote for 'em, campaign for 'em, and more.
Third party isn’t burning the bus down or letting it drive off the cliff. Third party (when done well) is a third bus driver choice. I’m all for that.
downvotes for suggesting the system needs to be put down? ok. ✅
We’ll follow your lead.
But also remember to meet your neighbors, form communities, and join political groups before Election Day.
It’s important to vote, for sure, but if we aren’t part of the selection process that provides good candidates that’s when it feels useless. This is especially true for everyone that hates both parties.Yep voting is distasteful but necessary. People often forget the second half. Of running unworthy hacks out on a rail when they inevitably turn on you. Primaries are some of the most important though often neglected votes. Along with organizing and supporting actual good candidates from the community.
There were so many people honking in support at the rally last weekend. All i could think was, “Please just vote. It doesn’t mean anything if you don’t act.”
But the bus tried to get votes from republicaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiigghh!!
*crunch*
Bad analogy, 3 vote to drive off the cliff, 2 vote to drive it off the cliff inclusively. Either way the only smart choice is to bail the fuck out.
Leave the country instead of trying to improve it? Sucks for anyone about to be hit by a falling bus surrendered to the people voting to send it off a cliff.
‘Stay and die to make a point’ is way less convincing when it’s your life on the line. Anyone who shames someone (especially a targeted minority) for fleeing a fascist state is frankly unhinged and needs to touch grass. Especially in the case of the US, where simply not living in the country doesn’t negate your right to cast a ballot.
I’m not judging people with their life/freedom at risk deciding to get out while they can. I am judging the person I responded to for saying that voting against fascism is support for fascism. There are a lot of people getting hurt and dieing abroad who didn’t have the choice to vote in our elections, and I judge anyone saying that by not voting they are not at fault for what their vote might have prevented.
You can stay on the sinking ship if you want. This public has made it very clear that they are listless and will not fight back.
Bail the fuck out would only mean leaving the country, ie bus, allowing everyone else to die while pretending to be morally pure.
You do not need to be physically present in the US to vote, and there is absolutely nothing morally “impure” about keeping yourself safe.
Exactly where did you see any indication this person was talking about fleeing for safety?
Ah yes, the primary reason people flee fascist states: not for safety.
There was no reason to be hostile about a random thing you assumed which quote honestly may have nothing to do with what that particular Internet rando was even talking about.
I’m sorry if my mild sarcasm was too hostile for you. Saying that people fleeing the country are leaving everyone to die while pretending to be morally pure isn’t a sentiment I feel a particular need to be respectful about.
Better to regain/repurpose control of the bus
Either way the only smart choice is to bail the fuck out.
So like, go live off grid in the middle of nowhere?
Or you can do the smart thing and not accept the trap of believing electorlism will get you anywhere and organize to destroy the system.
LOL. You dweebs can’t organise to vote for a third party. How are you going to organize to destroy the system when the system has military hardware.
This is what I don’t get about the 3rd party tribe. Literally no 3rd party is even remotely organized enough to even come close to winning a federal election, much less local elections. I don’t know if any amount of physical brain damage could make me dumb enough to vote for a 3rd party presidential candidate. It’s just so uniquely pointless.
The thinking is that more votes for a third party will move the policies of the two larger parties further towards the third party.
Sometimes it’s suggested in safe democrat seats.
I think US politics is unusual in that the primaries determine what type of candidate is going to set the tone for the party.
As in, the dems are a broad church, that could have a conservative or a progressive leader.
And many of the so-called “leaders” do absolutely nothing of what actually needs to be done to foster legitimate third parties. And we do know what needs to be done, it’s not a mystery. They just don’t ever fucking do it.
To the point where it sometimes becomes suspicious (looking at you, Jill Stein).
They’ll get around to it on the same timeframe as the “South will rise again” folks.
Electoralism got us 12 years of FDR, which permanently changed so many broken things for the better. To the extent that we’re all still benefiting directly from it nearly 100 years later.
Uh… the political landscape of early 20th century America does not, in fact, help the case for electoralism. FDR did the things he did to save the system, at least in part from all the socialists running around disrupting it.
If you really believe in accelerationism, then vote for the fascists. That’ll get us to the end quicker. If you can’t bring yourself to do it, then maybe there’s a reason for that.
Sitting around and not voting is either laziness or cowardice. Don’t play dumb and pretend it’s anything more than that.
Anti electoralism isn’t “accelerationism”. Nothing i said even lightly implied that. Hate the newest liberal buzzword.
Nothing new about it, but whatever you need to tell yourself to allow yourself to completely ignore it, I guess.
If you’re not accelerating towards the destruction of the system, then how are you destroying it?
That’s… not what that word means. Seriously look it up on Wikipedia. The short of it is that accelerationism refers to the idea that actively pushing society towards some kind of failure state faster will result in radical change once the dust clears, making it a good choice if you want to get radical change faster. For example this could be a leftist voting for Trump so fascism comes about, fucks things up and opens up the way for a socialist revolution. For obvious reasons this isn’t a very popular idea, but it’s also quite clearly not what the parent comment said. There are other ways to do anti-electoralism that don’t involve pushing the fascists towards power.
Yeah, and I’m asking him what his other way is to do anti-electoralism. If it’s not accelerationism, what is it? Don’t worry; I already know the answer.
And why do you think you know the answer? History is full of examples of people effecting change outside the ballot box without accelerationism; in fact that’s probably how most of your rights came about.
I voted early yesterday.
Just wanted to ruin your day with that 😘
Pro Tip: Your shit doesn’t fly so well outside the dbzer0 and ml communities. Those are your safe spaces and where you will feel most comfortable.
And if the majority wants to drive off a cliff we should just let it happen because them’s the rules.
Yep. It’s this mentality that crashed the bus folks.
Respecting the will of the people?
Being willfully ignorant
I’ve been non-ignorant, unwillfully ignorant, and willfully ignorant and I’ve yet to see any pattern in how elections turn out. It always just gets worse.
Every time they vote to crash the bus.
So I don’t think it has to do with my ignorance, willful or otherwise.
We see what we want to see, don’t we? Go on and take your bow. You’re hurting a lot of fucking people with that ignorance.
Nuh uh. I still vote.
I just know I’m outnumbered.
They’re hurting themselves.
You know if we just crash the bus sooner everything would be better. Also I hear the driver picked music no one likes - let’s cancel him then all argue over what music is crash appropriate.
I think this is sarcasm, but it’s VERY hard to tell.
It’s a metaphor for my interpretation of current political discord. Rather it’s sarcastic is immaterial the fact that it’s getting such a visceral reaction from folks is far more interesting considering it’s meant to be nothing more then an observation.
You know if we just crash the bus sooner everything would be better.
So this is your interpretation, or your wording of someone else’s?
Also I hear the driver picked music no one likes - let’s cancel him
The driver is trump, and the music is extrajudicial detention of anyone with an accent or slightly browner skin plus concurrent flattening of Gaza, war in Iran etc etc?
then all argue over what music is crash appropriate.
What do you suggest?
You know if we just crash the bus sooner everything would be better.
A whole lot of history books would like to have a word with you.
What if the other choice is also driving off a cliff, but further away?
Then that buys time to develop other choices, still better than not voting.
THIS. 1,000%
Yeah that’s what people have been saying since like the 1800s. I forgot who said it or what it was from, but there was a post going around last election with quotes from a bunch of different periods of history with people railing against the two-party system and complaining about how every single election it’s always the same choice between voting for things to stay the same/get a little worse, or get much worse. Every election it’s the same narrative of how this is the most important election’ ever where you have to accept the slightly shitty choice to ‘save democracy’. Going back 200 years. And nothing has been done to change the system no matter how many times the ‘good’ party has been in charge, and the gradual downslide into a fascist shithole has continued regardless of who’s in charge. No matter how many times people have voted in the ‘lesser evil’, y’all are still caught in that bullshit trap. Maybe if a third party had been able to gain some ground in those 200 years things might be different, but people like you claim that voting third party is throwing your vote away just as much as non-voting, so i don’t even know what to say to someone who’s bought in so completely to the fiction that you have any sort of choice in this system. Keep voting and the corporations will keep throwing up shittier and shittier stooges to build the future they want regardless. It’s literally the quote from wargames. The game is rigged and the only winning move is not to play. And also to overthrow your piece of shit government/corporate overlords.
Thank you.
I have voted (early). There were people on the ballot I knew I was not going to vote for, even though they would be considered the lesser of two evils. Luckily, there was a third choice which was a better choice than the main two, so they got my vote.
The people who say just voting for the lesser two evils works, well Trump proved them wrong. At some point there has to be a major change.
The people who say just voting for the lesser two evils works, well Trump proved them wrong. At some point there has to be a major change.
I’m not connecting the dots here. How did voting for the biggest evil ever (Trump) prove that voting for the lesser of two evils doesn’t work? Wouldn’t Kamala winning (“the lesser evil”) and things getting worse prove the point? We’re not in that timeline so nothing was proven other than the obvious-voting for a wealthy rapist conman who bankrupt multiple casinos is not good for the common person.
I’m not connecting the dots here.
The line connecting the dots is Joe Biden, or Obama (Obama didn’t campaign on being the lesser of two evils, but that’s basically what he was), or Clinton, or… you get the point. Lesser evil Democrats have repeatedly won elections but failed to consolidate their gains into something that doesn’t just produce more fascism after four or eight years. Because you can’t just win the war; you have to win the peace or you end up losing the next war.
appreciate the clarification
just remember, 95% of you live in areas where you vote wont matter!
Whoever told you that was lying to you
For the presidency, that is; Congress and local elections are more democratic outside the very depths of gerrymander hell.
Enjoy that cliff bud.
Therefore, 95% of people shouldn’t vote?
How does your vote not matter if there aren’t other people to vote? Like what the hell? Everyone is an individual. The “your vote doesn’t matter” argument implies you think that everyone else in your community have no free will or agency and can’t be convinced one way or the other.
If everyone in those areas decided not to vote because “their vote doesn’t matter” then your vote would be able to swing any election.
Theory of mind is a basic skill that everyone should learn.
